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[nOoblet16]

The problem with the swordbearer is that he likes to jump a lot behind cover and just stands there instead of trying to come and kill us. He can only be stunned once most of the time before he jumps, which means I can get at most two shots from a blackhammer before he's gone. The trick to kill him quick is usually stun him once so that others can fire a rocket each, while throwing in grenades to keep the DPS going...and any extra damage (if required) can be done by usually one or two more sniper hits.

His health recovers annoyingly fast in HM which means if there isn't anything constantly hitting him (even minor splash damage from rockets and grenades is ok, and these help especially when he is hiding behind a rock) he will recover and drag the fight. Basically it makes things complicated to take him down with just snipers and primaries as he will take a long time and the longer he is alive the more unpredictable the game becomes. I personally start getting a gut feeling that it's a wipe if we can't get the swordbearer within 10 seconds of us shooting him.

In my experience, majority of the times the issue in HM Crota comes down to the swordbearer being a pain in the arse.

 

[LTWood12]

I can't wait to play PoE w/ DGaf. Still crossing my fingers that they'll randomly drop in Kabr's Aegis shield and the sword for added fun.

 

[SnakeEyes]

Oh I think it was posted in the gaf twich chat..

Here you go:

Admittedly I haven't watched the stream but that hand cannon has to be full auto, right? I've wanted that thing for a while now.

 

[hydruxo]

Really don't understand why they didn't either play PoE at an easier difficulty or have some competent internal playtesters play with human-Omnigul while DeeJ and Mr. Sammons commentate.

Worked last week for Trials of Osiris, why not this week?

Yeah I don't get it either. We get more meaningful commentary when they aren't playing and can actually talk without trying not to die. Instead we just got Broman blowing out everyones speakers/headphones.

 

[Gala]

Prison of Elders looks great. Can't wait to get my shards from it!

 

[border]

If you have the sword can you kill the Gatekeeper in Crota Hard Mode? I know it'd be a waste of the sword and all, but I am just curious.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Oh I think it was posted in the gaf twich chat..

Here you go:

finally a modern looking weapon.

 

[figadapaura]

If you have the sword can you kill the Gatekeeper in Crota Hard Mode? I know it'd be a waste of the sword and all, but I am just curious.

Of course.

 

[LtOrange]

Normal raid is pretty easy, up to the point of being able to be two-manned and even solo'ed with ease. If you can get to level 30/31 and take two or more experienced people with you, you won't have any trouble at all.

Awesome! I will try and give it a go in the next few days.

 

[Frenden]

Destiny |OT21| Shriek Like a Bro, Man

Destiny |OT21| Bro Man Left Behind

 

[WheelHoss1]

finally a modern looking weapon.

That impact, though . . . Not gonna be a good PVP gun.

 

[nOoblet16]

If you have the sword can you kill the Gatekeeper in Crota Hard Mode? I know it'd be a waste of the sword and all, but I am just curious.

Yes and that's one of the things Bungie does to annoy people. Going down to kill the ogres was a strategy, a good one and a very viable one. Bungie completely removed it because they perhaps thought it wasn't meant to be played that way, it makes no sense to have a gatekeeper there...what is he even guarding ? There's no gate there ! If he is guarding the ceiling where we drop from after the thrallway section then why wasn't he there before the Crota fight ?

 

[Twilight Gap]

That impact, though . . . Not gonna be a good PVP gun.

looks like something you whip out and spam when you're caught with your pants down reloading.

 

[rasengan1337]

Getting carried by Fig!

kid eating sand like a boss! ;-)

 

[nOoblet16]

looks like something you whip out and spam when you're caught with your pants down reloading.

So COD pistol then.

 

[Orthogonal]

Yes and that's one of the things Bungie does to annoy people. Going down to kill the ogres was a strategy, a good one and a very viable one. Bungie completely removed it because they perhaps thought it wasn't meant to be played that way, it makes no sense to have a gatekeeper there...what is he even guarding ? There's no gate there ! If he is guarding the ceiling where we drop from after the thrallway section then why wasn't he there before the Crota fight ?

The whole encounter falls on its face in the build up of mechanics. That was a missed opportunity to have killing the Gatekeeper be mwaningful, instead it's just there to close off space.

 

[MrGreencastle]

That's what it looks like to me. I think that makes sense, given how difficult the harder modes appear to be: you want to be able to plan and strategize around them.

The new modifiers look interesting.

• Small Arms: Primary weapon buff? I think we saw this.
• Exposure: I think this was the lack of shield regeneration.
• Grounded: Looks like clipped wings. Reduced vertical movement (ug).
• Brawler: beefed up melee attacks all around. I think someone actually suggested this earlier.
• Catapult: it's a grenade icon, so I'm guessing longer grenade throwing distance?
• Trickle: Slow super regeneration. I think we saw this one as well.
• Specialist: boosted special weapon damage.
• Airborne: wings with arrows pointed up. Improved jump ranges?

It's a good mix, I wonder if there are more. I'd love to see them applied to the current strikes.

Though, I really don't like the look of Clipped. I really loathe restricted movement options as a way to increase difficulty.

I think Exposure gives you boosted shields, but no regeneration. And Catapult is improved grenade recharge rate from what I've read, not sure about throw distance. And Bungie has stated there are 8, so that looks like all the new ones. Putting these into Strikes would be nice. I've always wanted them to have a higher difficulty Vanguard playlist with 1 or 2 random modifiers.

 

[Twilight Gap]

this guy from forbes who played the new stuff is doing an ama

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...ayed_house_of_wolves_and_prison_of_elders_at/

 

[Soremaker]

Thanks Jay and co for the awesome run. Math stop stealing all the oracle kills.

 

[Mindlog]

Crota's End Hard Mode

Message Jayforone on PSN. They need one or two.
See below :]

 

[BreezyLimbo]

3 for HM Crotas End~ Join me or Sleepy_Buddha or EverydayMath

 

[EJRobinson90]

In my experience, majority of the times the issue in HM Crota comes down to the swordbearer being a pain in the arse.

Yeah my rockets couldn't even reach him, because he ran to the ogre room faster than DeeJ in PoE.

 

[nOoblet16]

The whole encounter falls on its face in the build up of mechanics. That was a missed opportunity to have killing the Gatekeeper be mwaningful, instead it's just there to close off space.

Yea the gatekeeper is purely there to block a space from being used, just like how killing the Hallowed Boomers now spawns a Wizard on the platform. Engaging the boomers with snipers while others engage swordbearer and Crota was another strategy, can't do that in HM either because of the Wizard. It tells you something about the monotonous and lazy design when there is only one strategy for HM Crota. HM VOG brought about some tiny mechanical changes, HM Crota feels like they completely changed their design philosophy and adopted the lazy route for encounter design by putting you at a level disadvantage, making all enemies stronger and block space. And it's being followed in Prison of Elders too where the HM puts you at a level disadvantage again.

It's not fun to level up my weapons and armour and then play the hardest end game content where neither my weapons or armour are 100% effective, it's artificial difficulty ! The penalty for being one level down is too severe and not gradual.

 

[Auto_aim1]

3 for HM Crotas End~ Join me or Sleepy_Buddha or EverydayMath

I'll join.

 

[MrAnderson]

3 for HM Crotas End~ Join me or Sleepy_Buddha or EverydayMath

Whole thing, or just Crota?

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Whole thing, or just Crota?

Whole thing unless someone has Crota checkpoint

 

[MrChowderClams]

3 for HM Crotas End~ Join me or Sleepy_Buddha or EverydayMath

These always happen when I'm at work (　-̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥᷄◞ω◟-̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥̥᷅ )

 

[Blue Ninja]

Awesome! I will try and give it a go in the next few days.

Find a few GAF'ers to roll with. I'd volunteer to take you, but I'm on Xbox One.

 

[Kadey]

I have Crota check. Could make two more after joining on me.

 

[Nuszka]

Is it just me liking that titan gear so much lol

 

[BreezyLimbo]

I'll join.

SENT YOU A FRIEND REQUEST YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED I'M PANICKING

 

[raindoc]

Would anybody have the Gorgon checkpoint in either mode? I'd really appreciate being shown where the chest is if anyone has the time.

You can jump in on me. Gorgon NM. PSN = raindoc

 

[Deku Tree]

Destiny has 20 million players
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/05/06/destiny-hits-20-million-players

 

[Orthogonal]

PoE is about what I expected. Nothing too exciting, but should be reasonably fun. The only thing I am concerned about is the rewards seem to be on the low side given time invested. It feels like a PoE clear is much less rewarding than a raid completion despite being similar in time investmet. This concern may not pan out as it settles in, but it seems off at first glance.

I am looking forward to some good gaf teams.

 

[MrAnderson]

I would like to see some end game content not take place in a dark hole in the ground.

 

[Auto_aim1]

SENT YOU A FRIEND REQUEST YOU HAVEN'T RESPONDED I'M PANICKING

Sorry it's 3.am, so no mic.

 

[Twilight Gap]

Destiny has 20 million players
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/05/06/destiny-hits-20-million-players

"20 million people have played destiny"

without concurrent numbers, that doesn't say anything. the game is on 4 platforms and had a big marketing machine behind it.

if that is concurrent numbers, that that's incredibly impressive and speaks volumes to how much potential the game has.

 

[stb]

Muahahah! Yes! I will have them all!



Going to be chasing that carrot again, and I can't wait for it.

It really bothers me that they're not all pointing the same direction.

 

[Daemul]

"20 million people have played destiny"

without concurrent numbers, that doesn't say anything. the game is on 4 platforms and had a big marketing machine behind it.

if that is concurrent numbers, that that's incredibly impressive and speaks volumes to how much potential the game has.

The number also include the beta and the free trials that have been going on.

 

[Kadey]

Goofy CE run ahead.

 

[ThirtyPlus]

this guy from forbes who played the new stuff is doing an ama

https://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyThe...ayed_house_of_wolves_and_prison_of_elders_at/

Lol..."never go full Broman"

 

[Hawkian]

20 million is a lot, regardless.

 

[stb]

Whole thing unless someone has Crota checkpoint

CP scumming? But the whole thing only takes 5 minutes, and is super fun!

Spoiler

I kid, I kid!

 

[Daemul]

Is it just me liking that titan gear so much lol

You like that? Man, I haven't liked any of the Titan Raid/Arena gear, they are way too over designed. Vendor gear always looks better, than I'll be sticking with vendor gear this time around since we can get it to light 34.

20 million is a lot, regardless.

Yes it is. Many devs would kill to have that many people try out their game.

 

[Homeboyd]

Destiny has 20 million players
http://m.ign.com/articles/2015/05/06/destiny-hits-20-million-players

Playing, on average, THREE hours EVERY DAY (that they play). That's insane.

 

[rasengan1337]

so, for flawless/clan raid/clan strike, it looks like we've got:

1. rasengan1337
2. moridhin
3. smallwind
4. mild soss
5. BiGBoSSMK23 (??)
6. sentinalprimus (??)

(??) indicates that you have yet to confirm.

ich00 (said he could help, and he can wield the sword, right ich?)

i know sentinal, smallwind and I want all three, who else needs all three?
since we've got more requests to join than spots, we'll have to figure something out.
Does tonight work for everyone - 9:30 PM EDT? PLEASE RSVP

oh, and please join this clan:
https://www.bungie.net/en/Clan/429327
if you need help figuring it out, please let me know.
you will need to set this as your playstation clan during the course of our activities,
i believe, in order for the clan trophies to be achieved.

oh, and what happened to the linkage for the CE flawless tips/tricks? anyone know?

whomever else is on the list, please lmk if you're still interested, and are able to join us tonight.
that said, i cannot adequately handle the sword, still, so unless one of you are able (i know that ich00 can),
we will only have 5 spots so that we can have a MLG swordbearer perform those duties for us.

http://www.reddit.com/r/DestinyTheG...lawless_raider_on_crotas_end_lessons_learned/

repost for a new page

thanks for RSVPing mildsoss and smallwind!
even if Rapier (=bigbossmk23 i think) and Sentinal aren't down, then we should be able to find 1 more in addition to ich00 to help us complete this!

Please go to the Clan page and set yourselves up.
edit: i see smallwind already joined, noice!!!

 

[Hawkian]

Secret Handshake is pretty good. Can't remember the other one.

Two To The Morgue, also very good. Lacks Shot Package, so if this is for Crucible use I recommend Secret Handshake.

The problem with the swordbearer is that he likes to jump a lot behind cover and just stands there instead of trying to come and kill us. He can only be stunned once most of the time before he jumps, which means I can get at most two shots from a blackhammer before he's gone. The trick to kill him quick is usually stun him once so that others can fire a rocket each, while throwing in grenades to keep the DPS going...and any extra damage (if required) can be done by usually one or two more sniper hits.

His health recovers annoyingly fast in HM which means if there isn't anything constantly hitting him (even minor splash damage from rockets and grenades is ok, and these help especially when he is hiding behind a rock) he will recover and drag the fight. Basically it makes things complicated to take him down with just snipers and primaries as he will take a long time and the longer he is alive the more unpredictable the game becomes. I personally start getting a gut feeling that it's a wipe if we can't get the swordbearer within 10 seconds of us shooting him.

In my experience, majority of the times the issue in HM Crota comes down to the swordbearer being a pain in the arse.

That reminds me, I don't know if I've ever mentioned in here a strategy that was shown to me once but is incredibly potent.

As soon as the encounter starts, the swordbearer instead of going to the ledge goes and crouches on the chalice platform. It is of course particularly easy to get into position as a Bladedancer with stealth. Then, when the swordbearer comes out of the door, stick him with a grenade and shoot him over and over in the face with a strong shotgun until dead (ledge people should still help as much as possible of course). Watch for cursed thralls, grab the sword and go up as normal.

The swordbearer's behavior is much more easily manipulated on the second and third sword round, and can even be reliably lured to run under the ledge/central area by shooting at him, even through the glass (and not attacking any mobs on the left or right). Eliminating his behavior as a variable on the first sword can go a long way toward making the encounter more consistent all around.

It works very well; the strong shotgun (something with either massive range or the ability to do ludicrously fast damage up close) is key.

 

[Navid]

Figured I'd share some of my concerns on the Prison of Elders stuff we saw...

- I'm not a fan of the artificial difficulty that we got in the Crota raid via enemies being 1 level higher than the player max so not great to see that continue with the Prison of Elders arena.

- Main part of the game taking place in static single room arena's, I feel it diminishes the sense of progression/discovery that the other end content provides as you move forward through the environment.

- Nothing to really break up the single game-type of shooting everything that is thrown at you, much like the above point I would have loved to have seen rounds put in that required more of a puzzle or platforming element to break up the monotony.

- Real lack of objectives, we saw a Kill the VIP/Defuse Mines and later a Destroy Mines, I really hope there are quite a few more types of objectives we don't know about but not feeling confident as of right now.

- Bit worried about the inclusion of modifiers, due to the random nature of Horde modes I feel like we can end with some real terrible outcomes which can potentially end up being more annoying than fun.

- The stasis field only affecting the players and not enemies seems like a real missed opportunity for some strategic play, if we could use the traps to our advantage it could provide more teamwork.

- The new special weapon seems a bit underwhelming, not as unique as the relic in terms of mechanics and less useful than I would have expected it to be in terms of damage dealing.

...anyway, that's the stuff of the top of my head.

 

[jett]

Oh I think it was posted in the gaf twich chat..

Here you go:

Weird fucking stats. I don't understand the point of this weapon.

 

[LTWood12]

CP scumming? But the whole thing only takes 5 minutes, and is super fun!

Spoiler

I kid, I kid!

Where's the damn summary of last night Berried?! We had loot dropping like crazy. I got:

No Land Beyond (lol)
Red Death (my second)
2 Midas (i've lost count)
Gjallarhorn (5th). 2 Gjallrhorns dropped on a single opening of the chest, so 2/6 of us got one on the first shot at it.

T-44 got Hunger of Crota AND Fatebringer.

Lots of other armor and stuff dropped for other people as well as exotics. We only did VoG HM full 1 time followed up w/ another atheon kill. I've got the oracles checkpoint if anyone wants run it this evening.