I obviously don't need it for everything, I got this far without it. But there have been many occasions where I was at a disadvantage for not having one, or could have contributed more if I had one. It's just fucking annoying at this point. In all of those situations, everyone whips out their Gjallas if they have them.
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Destiny |OT22| Game of Thorns
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I obviously don't need it for everything, I got this far without it. But there have been many occasions where I was at a disadvantage for not having one, or could have contributed more if I had one. It's just fucking annoying at this point. In all of those situations, everyone whips out their Gjallas if they have them.
Players: Destiny bosses suck, just health bars with no mechanics.
Bungie: Makes bosses with interesting mechanics.
Players: Too hard. Rather just smash through the health bar with the most powerful weapon in the game. Don't have time for silly mechanics.
Me: *shrugs* Get good. Or die trying
Interesting mechanics being insta kills, seriously...EVERY single "interesting mechanic" with bosses in this game is an insta kill. Plus they like to throw tons of adds with high health, high damage rifles and special ability with unlimited use.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Well true, that's just RNG. Although, the ghorn seems to be dropping a lot more frequently since HoW release, so maybe you'll get one soon..
I hope you don't mean Qodron.
You go outside GAF and it seems like having a gjallerhorn is the least of your worries. Best hope your a titan otherwise it can be a pain to find a group gjallerhorn or not.
I'll run with you
BreezyLimbo
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It really isn't required. It makes things easier, sure, but that was always the case for it. In fact you can't really do the level 35 poe with it, you need a thunderlord to effectively kill enemies.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Anyone with the Elder Cipher, how many chests and what level did you get the Queen Cipher?
First chest didn't have it.
First chest on both ciphers for both Ji66a_man and I.
Welcome to the Vault.
I am agreeing with you.
I meant can't be bothered as in can't be bothered to beat the boss and feel entitled to loot that they didn't earn, regardless of how "good" they feel the loot is in the end.
Hah. Glad we got to the bottom of it. And civilly, to boot!
I don't have as strong feelings about the CP "scumming", though.
If my experience is even remotely a litmus test, I knew I had no business playing HM CE even at level 32. I DID ride someone's CP into HM Crota for the 2-3 kills I participated in, and I don't really see the harm in it. I contributed to that fight as much as anyone not bearing the sword can, but that's Bungie's fault for making 5/6 roles in that encounter shooting rockets and maybe popping a bubble.
Assuming the Skolas fight actually takes active involvement and significant contribution from all 3 people, I PROBABLY wouldn't beat it, anyway. CP or not. We'd probably try it a few times, say "nope. I'll come back after Comet", and move on. Seems harmless.
Appreciate the offer, thanks. No big deal if it doesn't happen though.
Twilight Gap
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yup. there are no outstanding debuffs or disadvantages. everything just instawipes the team.
i'd like to see a debuff that disables all abilities and the players have to capture or kill an enemy to regain their supers. or maybe something that takes their weapon from them and they can only melee a target to take their weapons back.
literally anything other than insta wipes and super strong adds
What level PoE?
The intent of the encounter is to learn a strategy and though teamwork and communication defeat the boss
There is nothing wrong with cheesing but it kinda questions the point of playing unless the ultimate goal is just to get gear.
I mean it is slightly a step above
yes I am exaggerating I read the mechanics are pretty terrible
I read the mechanics are pretty terribleIt was my first HoW weapon drop as I was trying to level up Crucible Rep to 3. Unbeknownst to me at the time, I got a very fortunate roll. Seems like I should max this out and see what it can do in the Crucible.
MrGreencastle
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Pretty much with any of the Strike bosses, yeah. But with Raid and Arena bosses there are mechanics on top of that that will kill you most of the time or block you from DPS on the boss if you don't deal with them. Some you can bypass with high DPS before the mechanics start, some not.
I personally love the new mechanics on all these bosses. Great way to diversify the sandbox. Tons of fun trying to master them. And I'm looking forward to what Bungie have up there sleeves coming up. Pretty much exactly the type of thing I've been wanting since complaining about Valus McSpongeBob way back. Adds are fluff to keep you on your toes since it's still a shooter at it's core, yet they're way, way less of a big deal in the Arena than they are in any of the Strikes like Omnigul for example - except maybe Skolas fight.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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That would require Bungie to actually have staff on raid/encounter design.
I'll go
Ruthless_Barbarian
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I got both ciphers on 35, the chests I opened were 32 and 34.
Ji66a_man got both on 34 and opened chests on 35.
I land somehwere between you and MrGreencastle, but all the "boss" encounters sound downright silly when you say them out loud.
I will agree that adding element burns to the equivalent of the raid boss is superficially complicated. But the mines don't seem too far from having to control sync plates, and the hot potato seems like an inverse chalice of light. I don't mind the varying mechanics so much as the overlevelling thing.
The Skolas fight at level 34 enemies would probably actually be just the right amount of complexity to be fun.
First off, I like this debate. I don't see it as saltyI see it as engagement xD.
Secondly, it's not about absolutes. I have probably done every thing you mentioned on that list. But not before giving the legitimate mechanics a good try. And when modes have only been out a few hours, and so many people are giving up on even trying to kill the Eye and do the encounter as scripted, I feel a renewed energy to try to do it as designed.
I played with Unstable. My name popped, and I jumped in. I had been driving for four hours, my hands ached, and I hadn't played it days. But I jumped in because getting to play with Unstable reminded me of playing lacrosse with Jesse Hubbard as a kid, a legend who went on to become one of the greatest players in NCAA history. And I even finished with a better K/D than Unstable one match.
I would have a blast trying to get through Qodron tonight with my gimped-ass non-Gjallarhorn-wielding bubble titan. And continuing the debate
Playing with Unstable reminded me of this for some reason (if we're linking to great songs): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPJzUoKvX_s
Ok I GUESS I'll still do Prison of Elders w/ you Hoss...
Kalamari
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Build a spinmetal statue of RNGesus
For new page. Holy bejesus that Dojo filled up quick. Please temper your expectations about my own skill level, lol.
For new page.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Skolas is insanely tough because:
1. Level disadvantage.
2. Elemental burn.
3. Sheer number of adds and the speed at which they respawn.
Two of the above three in an encounter is manageable (like hard Crota), but all three is too much.
1. Level disadvantage.
2. Elemental burn.
3. Sheer number of adds and the speed at which they respawn.
Two of the above three in an encounter is manageable (like hard Crota), but all three is too much.
I just mentioned something like this, above, and agree.
Overlevelled enemies just shouldn't be a thing, but the idea of a lower number of overlevelled enemies might be OK, especially if they didn't spawn as frequently. Or maybe mix it up. One "wave" would be a higher number of lower leveled enemies; the next could be a handful of yellow 35s. The constant barrage of "all of the above" is what makes it feel "impossible" sometimes, and seems lazy.
The elemental primaries should have a drop rate similar to the CE crota weapon drops; based on the anecdotes I've read, it seems stingier.
According to planet destiny, it can't drop from 28 so I wasted a key.
Who all is on the list Hawkian?
Twilight Gap
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MrGreencastle
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It's not a dot. And the enemies projectiles aren't hitscan, meaning they are VERY dodge-able. I think they're fine. Arc and Solar burn modifiers are bit much, though. But I have yet to try the Arc Burn one. Solar was hell. The rest of the fight I like.
I think Bungie's intention with the 35 was especially to have to think about who you're bringing in and what class coverage you have. Disabling mines is superficially easy with a Bladedancer or a Bubble. Takes 10 seconds to disarm alone, with 15 second window to get there, and a 35 second immunity to getting cursed once someone takes the curse from you. Sounds fine to me. Just have to practice the timing. People said the similar things about the Crota timing at first and now people do it with their eyes closed.
xVaalbarAx
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Anyone want to run another 32+34+35 tonight again same time?
That sort of stuff would have worked so well with a wave based mode, but of course the add spamming needs to be controlled too for that. I've been saying this for a long long time, Bungie doesn't play their game at Hard mode and they do not know how to design a Hard mode that doesn't involve players holing up in a corner and shooting from there as one of the prime strategy in a particular encounter.
Liquidsnake
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LFG is funny,
Must be 34
Must be a Titan
Must have Max Horn.
Must be 34
Must be a Titan
Must have Max Horn.
GalacticToast
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I've got a 34 Titan I can take. At what time?
RunningRiot
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I'm in, PSN TKRunningRiot
iRAWRasaurus
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Ahh cheese or some say taking advantage of the A.I/ game mechanism.
El_Fenomeno
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Would anyone want to run the VoG from gatekeeper to the end. I may want to pass atheon checkpoint to other characters in order to maximize exotic chances.
You're in, and I got your FR right as I was sending one to you.
One more for Prison 32.
GalacticToast
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Would you take someone that hasn't done this week's 35 yet?
cloud945076
Let's do this!
MrGreencastle
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robertlebrone
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Anyone running 35 poe? I've got a key and would like a shot at getting the 1st time chest drops (didn't have a key last week).
I don't feel entitled to anything. My problem lies in your previous post:
Players: Destiny bosses suck, just health bars with no mechanics.
Bungie: Makes bosses with interesting mechanics.
Players: Too hard. Rather just smash through the health bar with the most powerful weapon in the game. Don't have time for silly mechanics.
Me: *shrugs* Get good. Or die trying
The whole git gud shit here is my problem. Not everyone are freaking pros. If they decide to use a "broken" weapon like Gjallarhorn instead of going through the mechanics, more power to them. I don't have a problem with people doing that. This whole git gud stuff is some elitist crap.
I'd like to run it, what's your PSN? Mine's the same as my Gaf username.
figadapaura
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Worth keeping? The lowish stability is making me think twice about it. Is there perfect balance equivalent I should try rerolling for? This one has shortgaze though. :/
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