TearsOfBlood
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Pretty excited about running a firebolt/Thorn combo tbh, at least it takes skill to run that now. Pretty good stream today!
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Pretty excited about running a firebolt/Thorn combo tbh, at least it takes skill to run that now. Pretty good stream today!
Not gonna lie, I'm pretty salty about some of those changes.
The way TLW was nerfed sucks big time.
Doctrine archetype nerf was expected, but that nerf seemed harsh.
The sniper rifle ammo nerf + 1kys ammo nerf is incredibly stupid and hurts pve players MUCH more than pvp players.
No firebolt nerf? LOL.
We still need details on the scorch melee+overshield nerf, but I remember them saying it doesn't proc as often... Does that mean you have a chance to get an overshield? Incredibly stupid, if true. Just change it to overshield on kill to match the defender titan melee attack and you're good.
The second dude talking about how stuff should feel the same whether you use it in pvp or pve ... sure. I agree 100%. Radius of grenades should be consistent. Reload speed, aiming etc all should feel the same.
But in what way does the max ammo cap affect the way the gun feels?
Let me carry my 24 rounds with sniper rifle boots and chest in pve and nerf that shit into the ground pvp, I don't care. This applies to other stuff as well.
Why do you think I went out of my way to find sniper rifle boots/chest with INT/DISC and DISC/STR? Because constantly running out of ammo sucks incredibly hard.
Ice breaker ammo change is a good change. But what about sidearms? What about invective? Also lol @ Dregs Promise. Feels like the smart pistol from Titanfall, which was ridiculous.
Goddamn bungie, stop fucking over pve players because of pvp, is that so much to ask?
The way TLW was nerfed sucks big time.
Doctrine archetype nerf was expected, but that nerf seemed harsh.
The sniper rifle ammo nerf + 1kys ammo nerf is incredibly stupid and hurts pve players MUCH more than pvp players.
No firebolt nerf? LOL.
We still need details on the scorch melee+overshield nerf, but I remember them saying it doesn't proc as often... Does that mean you have a chance to get an overshield? Incredibly stupid, if true. Just change it to overshield on kill to match the defender titan melee attack and you're good.
The second dude talking about how stuff should feel the same whether you use it in pvp or pve ... sure. I agree 100%. Radius of grenades should be consistent. Reload speed, aiming etc all should feel the same.
But in what way does the max ammo cap affect the way the gun feels?
Let me carry my 24 rounds with sniper rifle boots and chest in pve and nerf that shit into the ground pvp, I don't care. This applies to other stuff as well.
Why do you think I went out of my way to find sniper rifle boots/chest with INT/DISC and DISC/STR? Because constantly running out of ammo sucks incredibly hard.
Ice breaker ammo change is a good change. But what about sidearms? What about invective? Also lol @ Dregs Promise. Feels like the smart pistol from Titanfall, which was ridiculous.
Goddamn bungie, stop fucking over pve players because of pvp, is that so much to ask?
BreezyLimbo
Banned
The biggest difference was that atleast it was fun. Using those weapons felt fun.
Now it's just a case that every gun feels boring and shit, and that we're using weapons not because they're fun, but because it's the 'optimal' thing to use.
Ruthless_Barbarian
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Kor of Memory
Member
Yeee-Hawwww
I got one!
I will say the global buff to fusion rifles seems very interesting. From what I could tell from the stream, they might actually reclaim their Dark Below status. Being a little optimistic here, but they really did look good.
I got one!
actually 2
I will say the global buff to fusion rifles seems very interesting. From what I could tell from the stream, they might actually reclaim their Dark Below status. Being a little optimistic here, but they really did look good.
BreezyLimbo
Banned
Or you could main a different subclass? I hear nightstalkers are pretty good?
They didn't even acknowledge nightstalkers glitchy roll. I just realized that HA HA HA</ricky>.
Night_Knight
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WhiskerFrisker
Member
You forgot HawkSaw and Doctrine for year 2 and replace the Spare Change and No Land with Matdor 64 and heavy for year 1.
Was going over your rundown and notice you put "stability buff to Raid Scout.' He said Anguish of Drystan, which is the auto rifle. I didn't hear him say anything about the Doom.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Yeah hopefully Hawkmoon is fun again, I'll just use it all the time.
Who will nova bomb a wall then?
xplicitone
Member
No nightstalker glitch mention is sad
They did say you'd lose ammo switching from a sidearm now, but didn't mention Invective. I'd imagine if they fixed Icebreaker they fixed Invective though.
Night_Knight
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Ruthless_Barbarian
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Hi DeeJ!
Mass Appeal
Member
fixed since you broke down all the slow ROF pulses so i added all the high ROF pulses
Now with this update looks like Suros and other slow ROF autos, slow ROF pulses, and Hawkmoon are being buffed so it could open up crucible even more.
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To each their own. I enjoy using pulses and Scouts in PvP. Yah handcannons are super fun too but being a big fan of the Halo BR, i love pulses.
Dark souls team still on? lol
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
Half the stream was undoing the changes they had made previously.
Kor of Memory
Member
Corrected, thanks.
Aww, seeing the combined arms in the corner made me sad for how awesome that mode is. It shouldn't be mixed in to the regular playlist too often, but the larger maps and different tactics (you have turrets and vehicles as well as all of the normal stuff) made it incredibly fun. Running around a match using your sparrow as your main weapon and getting second on your team from roadkills is still so hilarious!
mehrmantrout
Member
And this
Overall i'm pretty happy but that could be because Warlocks survived the cull, will have to see how it plays out next week
I'm with you on having more fun in PvP. I loved HC ever since I played Destiny in the beta days and it hurt me deeply to lose my Hawkmoon. I would love HoW PvP back minus the shotguns if they went back that direction.
TearsOfBlood
Member
Hawkmoon is going to be super fun paired with my firebolts, its gonna be amazing! I dont know what people are angry about tbh.
When I'm getting tired and need to run a class that requires less skill and that you can play on autopilot, I'll go to the VoidLock and nova bomb some traffic signs
I'm very happy that Thorn isn't going to feel any different and that the DoT and screen effects were nerfed. As a user, I just like how Thorn feels and couldn't care less about the DoT effects. Now it will be less frustrating for the recipient.
Hawkmoon, also curious how much the range was boosted by. If they brought it back up 50% of what they cut in December that should be great.
Lastly, for now, my heart sunk in my chest when they got to MIDA and started talking about how they were going to adjust it based on its popularity. My fear was becoming a reality .. However the "nerf" is quite insignificant IMO. I know HCR do something in PvP but I can't imagine they're that noticeable now.
Hawkmoon, also curious how much the range was boosted by. If they brought it back up 50% of what they cut in December that should be great.
Lastly, for now, my heart sunk in my chest when they got to MIDA and started talking about how they were going to adjust it based on its popularity. My fear was becoming a reality .. However the "nerf" is quite insignificant IMO. I know HCR do something in PvP but I can't imagine they're that noticeable now.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
And this
Mine; not sure why I saved it but now I'm glad I did.
Event the weapon text says 'Keep it' lol
Liquidsnake
Banned
My bros!!!!!!!!!!!
I have been incredibly busy at work. What did I miss?
I have been incredibly busy at work. What did I miss?
Mass Appeal
Member
Maybe in the patch notes we will see changes to other subclasses?
TheAquaticApe
Member
Revives - I am disappointed with the timer changes. I know some folks will be happy. On certain maps, like Frontier, a longer timer will actually be a good thing for teams that get the first kill. Overall, I'm not sure it was actually needed.
Sniper Rifles - These changes will only further encourage long distant hard scoping. Yeah, you might have fixed the "Battle Rifle" but people will do what it takes to win. Larger maps with sniper lanes just got a bit worse IMO.
Shotguns - Nerfed without actually getting nerfed. Awesome.
Heavy Changes - Good and Bad. Good if you get the heavy and deny. Very bad if you don't Very VERY bad if you don't now.
Doctrine Nerf - RIP a gun I used because it was fun
MIDA - Seriously? It will continue to be a viable threat and used a lot. I guess I should learn to use it.
Suros - This could be a very viable option in Trials with the health regen. Plus the range just kills PRs.
Overall - My enthusiasm to play the April update has gone from positive to...where's that Dark Souls 3 dawg?
Edit: An no Nerfs to Nightstalkers or talk of fixing their shade step glitch...That's freaking dumb.
Sniper Rifles - These changes will only further encourage long distant hard scoping. Yeah, you might have fixed the "Battle Rifle" but people will do what it takes to win. Larger maps with sniper lanes just got a bit worse IMO.
Shotguns - Nerfed without actually getting nerfed. Awesome.
Heavy Changes - Good and Bad. Good if you get the heavy and deny. Very bad if you don't Very VERY bad if you don't now.
Doctrine Nerf - RIP a gun I used because it was fun
MIDA - Seriously? It will continue to be a viable threat and used a lot. I guess I should learn to use it.
Suros - This could be a very viable option in Trials with the health regen. Plus the range just kills PRs.
Overall - My enthusiasm to play the April update has gone from positive to...where's that Dark Souls 3 dawg?
Edit: An no Nerfs to Nightstalkers or talk of fixing their shade step glitch...That's freaking dumb.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
My Messenger is coming out to play. "Hello darkness my old friend."And this
Overall i'm pretty happy but that could be because Warlocks survived the cull, will have to see how it plays out next week
Yeah, I'm surprised they didn't address the shadestep glitch. Perhaps it's more difficult to latch out?
That stability on a high impact pulse is absolutely disgusting holy shit. If you had counter balance to neutralize that shitty recoil pattern of the Spare Change I'd be jealous.Mine; not sure why I saved it but now I'm glad I did.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
I think suros will probably still be mediocre. Unless they forgot to mention a focused fire damage buff it will still be too slow.
Hawkmoon is going to be super fun paired with my firebolts, its gonna be amazing! I dont know what people are angry about tbh.
When I'm getting tired and need to run a class that requires less skill and that you can play on autopilot, I'll go to the VoidLock and nova bomb some traffic signs
Are you seriously saying Voidwalkers are more auto-pilot than Sunbros? Wow.
Maybe. But if anything I feel that subclass changes are important enough to be mentioned on stream. They affect how you play
Night_Knight
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WhiskerFrisker
Member
I wholly agree with your sentiments about heavy; people who push the enemy heavy with super and succeed will have royally screwed the other team over.
optimus8936
Banned
Anyone got a full recap of the stream?
I'm fine with the changes. Grasp will still put in work, changes won't affect my sniping. Also I have a spare change with counterbalance, rifled barrel, etc.
Rip TLW, Mida, Warlocks.
I was fine with how Mida was except for the fact it also boosts your agility. I think that perk alone is more bs than anything else it has.
Rip TLW, Mida, Warlocks.
I was fine with how Mida was except for the fact it also boosts your agility. I think that perk alone is more bs than anything else it has.
TearsOfBlood
Member
You obviously know nothing about the subtleties of throwing a good firebolt, its super stressful.
Ruthless_Barbarian
Member
They don't talk about glitching and exploits on stream, it will be in patch notes hopefully or stealth fixed with the update..
Kor of Memory
Member
The entire last segment was very odd.
It was mostly a guy saying, "we wanted to change some stuff. Just check the patch notes later"
That perk is the main reason I use it. It makes playing on a Warlock less floaty. Without it, it's just another boring gun.
Slammin_Hammon
Member
Yeah I knew range was increased but that isn't why the Suros sucks now. You're hitting about 34 for headshots while someone can roll in with spare change and do 3X that a lot faster.
WhiskerFrisker
Member
It made me feel like I wasn't waist deep in water on my Warlock though
Most of those seem like really good changes.
Sunsinger got nerfed, but kept the only thing that makes them worth playing.
Stormcaller got steam rolled.
TLW change is great. It removes a completely random 2 shot mechanic. The number of times the 2 head shot hip fire happens is so rare that this could have gone unnoticed for a long while.
I love the special ammo changes for pvp.
Who is seriously worried about the ammo reserves in PvE? Swap around your weapons and do some ammo sweeps. Golg is the only boss that I can imagine running dry on ammo with and even then only if you use more than 1 orb.
I'm iffy on the sniper changes. It sounds like a lot to adjust too, but nothing some more practice can't help with. I'm hoping the weaker revive shield means more guns can res snipe.
I don't care about 1kys being targeted, it's obvious that it had too much going for it.
I love the Fusion changes. It's like they just added an all new special weapon to the game!
Sunsinger got nerfed, but kept the only thing that makes them worth playing.
Stormcaller got steam rolled.
TLW change is great. It removes a completely random 2 shot mechanic. The number of times the 2 head shot hip fire happens is so rare that this could have gone unnoticed for a long while.
I love the special ammo changes for pvp.
Who is seriously worried about the ammo reserves in PvE? Swap around your weapons and do some ammo sweeps. Golg is the only boss that I can imagine running dry on ammo with and even then only if you use more than 1 orb.
I'm iffy on the sniper changes. It sounds like a lot to adjust too, but nothing some more practice can't help with. I'm hoping the weaker revive shield means more guns can res snipe.
I don't care about 1kys being targeted, it's obvious that it had too much going for it.
I love the Fusion changes. It's like they just added an all new special weapon to the game!