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[CHC]

square-enix / eidos season pass history?

look at ROTTR

*that's the only example I have honestly

I mean all the "bonus" content for Human Revolution was kinda bullshit too, excluding Missing Link. Missions took like 15 minutes max, and you got like 2 guns or some other junk. I feel like later on they will release a "big" DLC for Mankind Divided that may or may not actually be included in the Season Pass.

Either way it seems there is absolutely no compelling reason to buy the Season Pass right now.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

So I know will try to explain the negatives of this game by providing excerpts from the "negative" reviews and try to make sense of S1kkZ post below. This is coming from a HR fan and I've already pre-ordered MD. I feel like there is something "weird" about this game from reading so many reviews. I'm getting a feeling of developmental hell for this game. Anyway, let me provide the excerpts:

Paste Magazine


Hardcore Gamer


TrustedReviews


Game Informer





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There are more reviews that echo similar sentiments. Interesting...Not sure how to process this. I am worried now. This game seemed to have suffered from 5 year developmental hell. Rumors that this game was originally one big game but chopped into 3 games for Square Enix to milk ... kind of makes sense given what we know know??

1 big hub that's not really varied, short story, abrupt ending, 1 lazy boss fight, side quests aren't good, level design is formulaic filled with convenient vents/ladders etc to help you bypass the levels. AI are dumb and run at you when you're in cover behind a doorway. Pacing is off. List goes on? Idk...let me know what you think. Maybe I'm overreacting, but after 5 years I was expecting Eidos Montreal to learn from their mistakes. It seems like they listened, but executed poorly and now this game stinks of develpemental hell and possibly that the game is "part 1" of the true Mandkind Divided game.

Also, just want to add. Apparently the pre-order mission is not supposed to be played till you BEAT the game because it contains spoilers...wtf? Seems weird! What game gives you pre-order content only to be played when you beat the game???

(sorry for rambling, I hope I made sense. I'm not trying to attack this game (I pre-ordered it! but I may cancel now)..just trying to make sense about the rumors of developmental hell and the possibility that MD was originally one big game, but all we got was "part 1"...)

Wasn't one of Arkham Knight's dlc just like this too?

Goddamn, may have to cancel my Amazon preorder of the CE and just gamefly this if true.😒

 

[MasterMenace]

I mean all the "bonus" content for Human Revolution was kinda bullshit too, excluding Missing Link. Missions took like 15 minutes max, and you got like 2 guns or some other junk. I feel like later on they will release a "big" DLC for Mankind Divided that may or may not actually be included in the Season Pass.

Either way it seems there is absolutely no compelling reason to buy the Season Pass right now.

You mean the rest of the game?

 

[Dec]

Is it true the game is really under 12 hours if you do 90℅ and then the main story is probably only 5-6 hours. But reviewers are saying it's 30+ hours. Don't know who to believe.

Jeff Gerstmann's playtime was 26 hours but he said he idled around 4 and his real playtime was probably 22. He didn't do everything, but did a lot of the side stuff. Could see playtime in their recent UPF stream.

Based on that and reviewers saying similar times I think the 12 hour time was an exaggeration or just a mistake in adding up playtime (he recalled it through multiple sittings and how long he played during those sittings, not a playtime counter).

 

[nOoblet16]

Difference is missing link felt like development after release and not cut content.

Uh..so have you played the DLC already then to come to that assumption?

You know you can justify anything that way. They had ideas for the Missing Link from during the development itself that got cut, why else do you think the mission takes place during a time where Jensen is off for days and the main game makes zero mention of what actually happened during those days. Would you say that's cut content too then ? Thereby making it equally bad.

It's a well known fact that not everything during the development makes it to the game due to budgetry reasons, time constraints and what not and they have to decide to cut some work and spend resources on others. It's disingenuous to presume that those cut content were near completion and they took them out because they wanted to charge for it. Pre order bonus is just that a pre order bonus and as such it will be inconsequential and it is not indicative of what the DLC is going to be like.

It doesn't matter if the DLC is made of scrapped ideas and content or new stuff because work gets done in both cases. If the scrapped content was in a finished state it would have made it to the main game...don't you think?

 

[MrOogieBoogie]

I for one am so glad this game is shorter. Too many long games out there that don't benefit much at all from padded length.

 

[Gunslinger]

Jeff Gerstmann's playtime was 26 hours but he said he idled around 4 and his real playtime was probably 22. He didn't do everything, but did a lot of the side stuff. Could see playtime in their recent UPF stream.

Based on that and reviewers saying similar times I think the 12 hour time was an exaggeration or just a mistake in adding up playtime (he recalled it through multiple sittings and how long he played during those sittings, not a playtime counter).

Oh ok that makes more sense. I remember HR being a pretty long game.

 

[nOoblet16]

Is it true the game is really under 12 hours if you do 90℅ and then the main story is probably only 5-6 hours. But reviewers are saying it's 30+ hours. Don't know who to believe.

There's only one guy who said and did that..and he was here in this thread. Every other review has said something along the lines of 20 hours.

I've spent about 13 hours playing now and I am not done. You can rush through the game if you want and finish it in 12 hours...but you could do the same for Human Revolution too and the previous Deus Ex. It's not really a reliable measure.

 

[Golden_Pigeon]

It's really a pace thing, i certainly spent more than 150 hours in Witcher 3 over one year to finish it. But some people do the same in 30 hours.

But i really hope we will have clear info about this trilogy business.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

I for one am so glad this game is shorter. Too many long games out there that don't benefit much at all from padded length.

I can partly agree with this, not all RPGs need to be 40-50 hours, and I'd rather a well paced game.

The problem I foresee from many comments is that pacing if the ending is an indication.

 

[CHC]

You mean the rest of the game?

No, I don't mean that. I'm going to reserve judgement until I actually play the game.

 

[leng jai]

I'm sorry, I'm not very technical but all I know is it only downloaded 19.9GB and since the required space was 45GB it doesn't seem to be the entire game. Could be that it's the entire game but heavily compressed, but I don't know for certain...

Ah, I thought they actually said it was only half. The game will most likely fill out to 40GB after it uncompresses.

 

[Sanctuary]

I have the game, but I'm holding off on playing until my 1080 arrives. Anyway, does the auto-refilling energy quicken the gameplay compared to HR? Because only your first two cells (or one if on Give me Deus Ex) regenerating after a full depletion really bogged down the gameplay at times, and caused you to carry around as many energy restoring items as you could, or simply not even bothering with using energy on anything but takedowns.

 

[GravyButt]

Cmon Tuesday! Im pretty hyped. Hopefully it's in the 20ish range. I think thats my sweet spot for this type of game tbh nowadays

 

[Piku_Ringo]

Yes, 12 hours is a good estimate for story + side missions. A few hours longer if you go for no alarms & collectibles. A few hours shorter if you just rush through. Depends very much on your playstyle.

According to PowerPyx

 

[leng jai]

12 hours for story andside missions would be very disappointing for an average play through if true when you compare it to the first game.

 

[MasterMenace]

According to PowerPyx

is that the guy who does those amazing trophy guides on YouTube? Dam, if that's coming from him...shit...

 

[EatChildren]

I'm not buying play time until I've played it myself. I just can't correlate my play style and previous experiences to others. It rarely matches (on both ends of the spectrum, mind you). So I'm not too worried about that, even if it is shorter as a whole.

I am pretty bummed about the HUB count though. That sounds like a bit of a fuck up for a Deus Ex game.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

According to PowerPyx

where did he say this? Cos 12 hrs is approaching bullshit levels now =/

 

[nOoblet16]

I have the game, but I'm holding off on playing until my 1080 arrives. Anyway, does the auto-refilling energy quicken the gameplay compared to HR? Because only your first two cells (or one if on Give me Deus Ex) regenerating after a full depletion really bogged down the gameplay at times, and caused you to carry around as many energy restoring items as you could, or simply not even bothering with using energy on anything but takedowns.

Energy cells work a bit different in this game. Some you have two different bars. The base one always recharges, the other one recharges too but the size of it gets reduced the longer you use the aug (or the stronger the aug is). For instance if you use invisibility for the entire duration of the secondary bar then it is gone and doesn't refill but if you use it for 5 seconds then it doesn't shorten in length and can refill. If you use it for s bit longer then the length of secondary bar shortens a bit and so on. If you use a powerful "burst" aug then the lenngth shortens in one go as well.

But the best psrt is that you don't need to search around for batteries anymore since you can craft them with the new crafting system.

Also new augs like nanoblade, peps discharge and Tesla blade do not consume battery instead they have their own ammo....which you have to craft as well and you get a generous amount of ammo with one single craft.

 

[Piku_Ringo]

where did he say this? Cos 12 hrs is approaching bullshit levels now =/

In the playstationtrophies.org forums upcoming games section for Mankind divided in the Trophy List (Excluding Secrets) topic when asked about that, since it appears he's already played and beat the game.

 

[AHA-Lambda]

In the playstationtrophies.org forums upcoming games section for Mankind divided in the Trophy List (Excluding Secrets) topic when asked about that, since it appears he's already played and beat the game.

ah yeah, just saw it now, bottom of the page

http://www.playstationtrophies.org/...d/291927-trophy-list-excluding-secrets-6.html

 

[nOoblet16]

Like I said you can finish HR in 12 hours too if you just avoid most encounters by just going via ducts...and sometimes don't hesitate to kill everyone. Same for DE1.

These games can have a really variable playtime due to their nonlinear nature.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I can believe that square enix had this game cut up.

They're doing it with their other games already.

 

[The Dear Leader]

I can believe that square enix had this game cut up.

They're doing it with their other games already.

I know, look at all the graphics and frames per second they cut out of Final Fantasy XV!

 

[ThoseDeafMutes]

I'm not buying play time until I've played it myself. I just can't correlate my play style and previous experiences to others. It rarely matches (on both ends of the spectrum, mind you). So I'm not too worried about that, even if it is shorter as a whole.

I am pretty bummed about the HUB count though. That sounds like a bit of a fuck up for a Deus Ex game.

Ultra short play figures will presumably come from run and gun + beelining critical path approaches.

 

[nOoblet16]

Ultra short play figures will presumably come from run and gun + beelining critical path approaches.

And that's what that guy, who said he did it in 12 hours, did to finisg is that fast.

That's completely fine.

 

[Saucycarpdog]

I know, look at all the graphics and frames per second they cut out of Final Fantasy XV!

I don't follow Final Fantasy XV so I don't get it.

 

[LiveFromKyoto]

I'm not buying play time until I've played it myself. I just can't correlate my play style and previous experiences to others. It rarely matches (on both ends of the spectrum, mind you). So I'm not too worried about that, even if it is shorter as a whole.

I am pretty bummed about the HUB count though. That sounds like a bit of a fuck up for a Deus Ex game.

Yeah, whenever I see people whining that something took them 12 hours I'm like "okay, it'll probably take me 38."

 

[SuperStiltzkin]

If you're not sneaking to get the ghost bonus and then doubling back to hack everything and knock out everyone, you're doing it wrong.

 

[texhnolyze]

Like I said you can finish HR in 12 hours too if you just avoid most encounters by just going via ducts...and sometimes don't hesitate to kill everyone. Same for DE1.

These games can have a really variable playtime due to their nonlinear nature.

Indeed. According to HLTB site, people need 20-30 hours to beat HR. However, I beat it in 54 hours on my replay run last week. And I didn't go for 100%, still missed some side quests.

 

[carlsojo]

Playing through HR right now again since it first came out and wooow the early game is still such a slog.

 

[LeleSocho]

It's disingenuous to presume that those cut content were near completion and they took them out because they wanted to charge for it.
(...)
If the scrapped content was in a finished state it would have made it to the main game...don't you think?

Oh you poor innocent thing...

 

[jesu]

Is it true the game is really under 12 hours if you do 90℅ and then the main story is probably only 5-6 hours. But reviewers are saying it's 30+ hours. Don't know who to believe.

lol, come on!

 

[Piku_Ringo]

I can believe that square enix had this game cut up.

They're doing it with their other games already.

This was supposed to be my 2016 Witcher 3 immersive experience, but those cons posted have thrown that out the window.

 

[nOoblet16]

As someone playing the game and nearing the end... the overreaction to this game has been beyond ridiculous. It is at a point where literally everything is getting criticised and the funniest part is that the game isn't even out yet !!!

 

[jesu]

This was supposed to be my 2016 Witcher 3 immersive experience, but those cons posted have thrown that out the window.

Yeah no way I can enjoy this game as much as the Witcher 3 after those mid 80's reviews.

 

[jrcbandit]

Yeah no way I can enjoy this game as much as the Witcher 3 after those mid 80's reviews.

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm, otherwise......

 

[VanCityGamer]

I sincerely hope this is sarcasm, otherwise......

Haha I'm sure it is. To be fair though, the reason lower than expected reviews bother me is that it reduces the likelihood the game will blow me away.

 

[WickedLaharl]

Same. Dont have time for 30+ hour epics. Cause y'know, I'm not a child.

 

[malfcn]

If a game developer says 30 hours, it's 20.
If an Internet player says 10 hours, it's 20.

 

[nOoblet16]

If a game developer says 30 hours, it's 20.
If an Internet player says 10 hours, it's 20.

But what if a game developer who is an internet player says it's 20?

 

[Azzanadra]

If a game developer says 30 hours, it's 20.
If an Internet player says 10 hours, it's 20.

Haha, good metric. My don't know how long my first playthrough was for HR, but my second on PC was like 50-60 hours. I literally broke into every office and read ever email, went on killing rampages before loading an old save, explored every nook and cranny and so on which is what resulted in the crazy playtime. Having said that, I was under the impression most normal people finished the game in anywhere between 20 and 30 hours, so if the game is indeed 20 hours, that seems pretty normal.

 

[Alpha Phoenix]

If a game developer says 30 hours, it's 20.
If an Internet player says 10 hours, it's 20.

I like you.

 

[MasterMenace]

More bad news...

A reddit user who beat the game said the game is actually incomplete:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deusex/comments/4yry57/i_just_beat_the_game_the_ending_is_absolute/

Doesn't surprise me that Square Enix would meddle with Deus Ex and break the game into 3 parts.

Deus Ex: MD is the prelude to the inevitable Final Fantasy 7 "trilogy" shit show...

The reddit user, ThatOneChappy, also had this to say:

"I started playing what, 3 days ago?
I did most side quests [missed one because of a glitch I think] and beat it like 10 minutes ago. Watching credits. I'd put it all at around 20-ish hours.
Compared to HR, its shorter."

...nah I doubt that's what happened here. This isn't fixable with DLC, its not missing just an ending so much as it is missing what feels like an entire chapter or two.
I mean it is possible but I feel they're just cooking up Mankind Divided 2.0 rn.

i'm not sure if this game has a gameplay timer somewhere i'll see if there is, but I remember HR taking me a week and a half to sort through with the side content. This genuinely feels like half a game. An incredibly fun half game, but a half game.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

20 hours is disappointing, but I mean it isn't a HORRIBLE amount for a game. For an rpg it is but I can live with it.

 

[MasterMenace]

20 hours is disappointing, but I mean it isn't a HORRIBLE amount for a game. For an rpg it is but I can live with it.

He wasn't rushing and he did as many side quests as he could. I say that's disappointing. A lot of reviews have said this game is, on the whole, shorter than HR. That's disappointing!

 

[Kevin Shields]

Has anyone besides Gameinformer not liked the gameplay?? Seems we got another MGSV situation which I'm cool with.

 

[Bishop89]

More bad news...

A reddit user who beat the game said the game is actually incomplete:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Deusex/comments/4yry57/i_just_beat_the_game_the_ending_is_absolute/

Doesn't surprise me that Square Enix would meddle with Deus Ex and break the game into 3 parts.

Deus Ex: MD is the prelude to the inevitable Final Fantasy 7 "trilogy" shit show...

The reddit user, ThatOneChappy, also had this to say:

i don't really get this sort of criticism.

Is god of war 2 a half finished game? It didnt resolve the story at all.
I dont see anything wrong with cliffhangers.

 

[Shpeshal Nick]

Credit where credit is due. Absolutely fucking phenomenal OP. Best review thread I've ever had the pleasure of reading.