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Deus Ex: Mankind Divided |OT| We Asked For This
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Comrade Crunch
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I honestly feel that there would be a higher chance that DX would grab me if it didn't have any story at all. Because the story is there I feel obligated to read notes and listen to dialogue, but I get so bored when doing so that I'm half asleep by the time there's some gameplay. I know it's probably worse at the beginning than it is later in a game, but it kind of ruined the whole experience for me to the point where I don't know if I'm going to bother playing it again...
it's a slow/crappy starter, and for the most part the 'main story' is a tiny portion of the game. I (and many people here) spent 10+ hours doing other stuff after the tutorial prologue just exploring and doing side quests without touching the main stuff.
If all the writing in the game bores you, best trade it in or refund it if you can. Probably not your thing.
Btw there is a bunch of additional dialogue when for instance a cutscene ends and the game lets you run off. Whether its talking to Chicane right after he's dropped you off in Prague, or the detective after you have the necessary info to run off, there's loads of extra conversations to be had.
Resident_UA
Member
I think it's all story at this point. It's difficult for me to differentiate what story beats (including side quests) have potential of being good. I was unsure about this game to begin with so it's just a rental. I'm not upset, just wondering if I should force myself to stick with it. It sounds like I shouldn't
I've constructed two box forts in order to hack vendors locked doors and sell their own stuff back to them.
I drew their guards outside and into bathrooms before putting a box by the door so they couldn't get back out/in.
Fort Sneaky Hack is go.
Just finished it. Gameplay wise i thought it was better than HR. Not only is the new augs great but levels where better planned as well and more fun to explore. The side quests we're absolutely awesome, and one is even on par with some of the best Witcher 3 side quest.
I didn't really care about the main plot. I think i didn't care about the plot since, unlike HR, i didn't care about any of the characters. They had no characters akin Malik, Frank that i liked and cared about. The closest is probably the guard Aria which you had a couple of nice moments with. I didn't even care about Jensen since i feel i got all i wanted out of his arc in HR. They should have gone with a new protagonist and interwoven him/her better into the main story.
All in all i liked it but it wasn't the slam dunk i expected it to be coming off HR.
I didn't really care about the main plot. I think i didn't care about the plot since, unlike HR, i didn't care about any of the characters. They had no characters akin Malik, Frank that i liked and cared about. The closest is probably the guard Aria which you had a couple of nice moments with. I didn't even care about Jensen since i feel i got all i wanted out of his arc in HR. They should have gone with a new protagonist and interwoven him/her better into the main story.
All in all i liked it but it wasn't the slam dunk i expected it to be coming off HR.
Dishonoured didn't really feel like Deus Ex to me, it felt more like Thief with a range of engagement options rather than just being limited to stealth. I couldn't talk to NPCs outside of select few, there wasn't really a proper hub area either (don't really consider that hound of ours or whatever to be a Deus Ex like hub), I couldn't really talk my way out of any situation, nor could I find something hidden in environment that could let me tackle the objectives completely but in a way other than what the game tells me. For example, if it asks me to assassinate then that's what I'll have to do, I can't find something that lets me convince that guy into leaving for good, if the game tells me to choose between saving two people that's all the options I get, I can't just ignore the game and go about figuring out something that saves them both anyways.
It also lacked the nuances of Deus Ex like picking up things and doing stuff with them..sometimes to traverse, sometimes to hit enemies and sometimes just to muck about. I guess I found it too abilit/equipment focused for me to consider it closer to Deus Ex 1 than somethibg like Mankind Divided.
The other problem is that the dialogue options are like Mass Effect in that the dialogue choices are not actual dialogues but the general idea behind those dialogues condensed to one or two words, leading to the players not really knowing what the main character is going to say. This is unlike Deus Ex where you can read the whole dialogue that JC/Adam will say if you pick it.
It also lacked the nuances of Deus Ex like picking up things and doing stuff with them..sometimes to traverse, sometimes to hit enemies and sometimes just to muck about. I guess I found it too abilit/equipment focused for me to consider it closer to Deus Ex 1 than somethibg like Mankind Divided.
I think Fallout 4's problem is not that it's voiced but rather that the writing itself is bad leading to situations where the character does and says things that the player doesn't really want to (such as the motivation for the main character being trying to find his/her child when the player obviously doesn't feel that way).
The other problem is that the dialogue options are like Mass Effect in that the dialogue choices are not actual dialogues but the general idea behind those dialogues condensed to one or two words, leading to the players not really knowing what the main character is going to say. This is unlike Deus Ex where you can read the whole dialogue that JC/Adam will say if you pick it.
How amazing would it be if the next game used Mod Tracker music (or recreated that style), in the same way DX1 did.
I still can't get over the music from the original
https://youtu.be/2yDVM77lGlM?t=984
(Amazing video btw, basically all of DX1's music in one video)
I still can't get over the music from the original
https://youtu.be/2yDVM77lGlM?t=984
(Amazing video btw, basically all of DX1's music in one video)
WhiskeyDiver
Member
It does work. You just have to dump every single thing out of your inventory onto the ground, or the crash will persist. You can pick it all back up after you're done in the shooting range after you're done...provided some of it doesn't wig out on you and fall through the floor.
Those are amazing but they distinctively sound computerised while the trend these days is for orchestral scores. Michael McCann is pretty dope anyways, overall I like his music more than the original game's.
Fort Kickass
Nice. Thanks.
CrichtonKicks
Member
Don't know why people are trying to play Deus Ex and Dishonored off of each other. I love both and couldn't be happier we are getting new instalments in both franchises just a couple of months apart. Wish we got more games in the genre and that's why I am excited for Prey next year as well.
The intention was admirable but JC's voice has never worked for me because of that. It has the exact same risk of being tonally different to the player intention than just voicing it with emotion.
JC's voice is only good for unintentional comedy.
The intention was admirable but JC's voice has never worked for me because of that. It has the exact same risk of being tonally different to the player intention than just voicing it with emotion.
JC's voice is only good for unintentional comedy.
Poodlestrike
Banned
Deus Ex is an RPG with action and stealth mechanics, Dishonored is a stealth-action game with RPG elements. They're similar, and they're in close enough proximity that I can understand the comparison, but they can't really be judged on the exact same scales.
Reminds me, I'm gonna try to 'speedrun' this game on NG+ with unlimited energy cheats.
dash your way to victory!
So, you're 15 hours in claiming the new augs don't help stealth. Let me guess: You don't actually have any of them, you just looked and went 'eh' - You're wrong. Remote Hacking is a literal top tier aug. It is so versatile and does SO MANY things. Tesla launcher is the only real stealth awy to take out multiple enemies that aren't standing on top of each other. Icarus Dash is BASICALLY short range teleportation. If you can't understand how that is solid for stealth I don't know what to tell you. In one of the later levels,
GARM
Drill room, use that shortcut, next giant room with the training soldiers? I just dashed from roof to roof and never got spotted.
Weird complaints, mostly because they're so provably wrong. HR was FILLED TO THE BRIM with computers. Every single desk in the fucking game had a computer. 90% of these had either literally nothing, or mass emails sent by the owner of the company or whatever, or really pointless short mundane things. Some had cool stuff, but it was a sea of garbage. The very first mission in that game was a giant office building with like 30+ computers to hack and 2/3 of them LITERALLY have nothing on them. This game teaches you to hate hacking random computers and tells you 'you're wasting your time' right off the bat, essentially.
MD, every single computer has at least 1 email that is specific to that computer, and most of them tell interesting backstories about the people using that PC. You find lots of conversations that you can find the other end of eventually and fit the pieces together to see what is going on. Like....this complaint is actually unbelievable to me. The hacked emails being interesting are so far in favor of MD it's not even funny. I could tell you quite a bit about every character in the game purely from those, or even people not in the game.
CrichtonKicks
Member
Has anyone played on "I never Asked For This?" Does the game delete your save when reloading? I get the occasional crash every 8 or so hours of playtime but even a single crash would be soul crushing if you couldn't reload.
I Googled the pharmacy in game to find out something.
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ms-android-hms-tef-gb&ei=dpTEV630JcvLgAaovqeYDg&q=lekarna+pharmacy&oq=lekarna+pharmacy&gs_l=mobile-gws-serp.12..35i39k1l3j0i22i30k1l2.4752.4752.0.6282.2.2.0.0.0.0.143.143.0j1.1.0....0...1c.1.64.mobile-gws-serp..1.1.141.gcfvcsedFRc
It's real
SolidSnakeUS
Member
For something at the end
Should I not have the kill switch on me if I don't want to kill him but instead incapacitate? Should I drop the kill switch so I don't actually kill him?
Poodlestrike
Banned
My only issue with hacking is that the random nature of the puzzles means that you can get some grossly difficult hacks on supposedly low-level terminals before you pick up a few hacking stealth augs.
Overall, I'm happy with the variety of useful new augs for a ghost playthrough. Remote hacking especially.
Overall, I'm happy with the variety of useful new augs for a ghost playthrough. Remote hacking especially.
You need manually trigger it.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
So I can have it sit in my inventory and do nothing with it? I have to actually equip it to use it correct?
Game will give you choices. Just pick what fits your style.
fabricated backlash
Member
IlGialloMondadori
Member
Yeah, this. I love both, but Dishonored doesn't scratch the RPG itch like Deus Ex does, at all.
CrichtonKicks
Member
It can be.
I don't think it answered the question on who was the woman that he fell for though? Or did I miss something?
Doesn't name, but gives good idea about what went down. Possibly woman you helped to escape her life.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
Should I keep watching the TV until it ends or will it never end at the end of the game? Will it give an achievement if I watch it all?
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Funny thing is thats in Japan.
Found it Jimbocho Theatre in Tokyo.
http://www.takahashikogyo.com/sakuhin/jinbocho/jinbocho02_e.htm
http://www.arch2o.com/jimbocho-theater-nikken-sekkei/
Keep watching, there is even mid-credits stuff.
Parakeetman
No one wants a throne you've been sitting on!
Not really as most of the TVs just keep replaying the same events. On occasion reporting on something that happened plot wise but outside of that nothing too important it seems. Its mostly false propaganda of skewed news.
Think its more your speaker setup than the game. Since honestly I turn off the TVs all the time as they are pretty irritating with how clearly they can be heard...Doesnt help I HATE the way the announcer talks. Esp the whole "I dont know about you..." line.
SolidSnakeUS
Member
I fucking knew it! The ending theme song is by Misha Mansoor. Knew his guitar work anywhere. He's the guitarist from Periphery.
Rotch Crot
Banned
Just finished the opening mission on ps4.i think it's visually stunning.
Will stop for now until the day 1 patch finishes.
Will stop for now until the day 1 patch finishes.
Trust GAF to deconstruct what is a very good game and shit on it from great height.
Its a good game, especially if you like RPGs.
Angelus Errare
Banned
This. I absolutely love Dishonored but it scratches the stealth itch not the RPG itch.
It's the perfect ending song, up there with Mass Effect 1' for me (the latter being an existing song already) . Will have to look Misha Mansoor up.
White Wolf
Member
in one of the side quests, jensen says "muslims reject augmentation because of their beliefs"
but i'm not sure that's right... stuff like piercings, tattoos, etc. aren't very benificial, but i can see how some augmentations could be. like arm augmentations for people who lost their own arms. i don't think muslims, nor the islamic faith in general, would really oppose augmentations. after all, it's "just" technology that could make our lives easier (like television, internet, etc.)
just thought i'd talk about it.
but i'm not sure that's right... stuff like piercings, tattoos, etc. aren't very benificial, but i can see how some augmentations could be. like arm augmentations for people who lost their own arms. i don't think muslims, nor the islamic faith in general, would really oppose augmentations. after all, it's "just" technology that could make our lives easier (like television, internet, etc.)
just thought i'd talk about it.
It it fantastic. I've been listening to it non-stop for the past three days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkenJ8MJvpo
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