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[StealthGoblin]

Sony's 2012 is so telling.

Hard to say with Microsoft.

Well, it'll be telling if Evolution totally miss next year for a release.

Next year they have (by my reckoning):

- Twisted Metal
- StarHawk
- Sorcery
- Sly 4
- The Last Guardian

Its so-so at present.

If Media Molecule, Evolution, Studio London etc miss the year, then PS4 is closer than we think.

We still don't know exactly what the following studios plans are:

Quantic Dream
SuperBot Entertainment
Ready At Dawn

 

[HooYaH]

I think if GG new IP is good, I think Killzone 4 is dead on PS4 or handed off to some other studio. I wonder what Media Molecule is doing (Wouldn't mind they develop Ape Escape on PS4).

 

[Nirolak]

Sony's 2012 is so telling.

Hard to say with Microsoft.

Microsoft has the most rumors, and generally with Microsoft all rumors that don't come from random UK magazines tend to be true.

 

[DonMigs85]

Honestly I would have preferred if they extended the life of the previous gen consoles at least another couple of years and launched the PS3/360 with more powerful DX10-level GPUs.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Not sure I follow as the PS3 was announced 17 months before launch and it never hurt sales of the PS2.

That's because PS2 had tons of games coming out for it. PS3 might not be in that same great situation if Sony pull their resources and put them into Vita and PS4. I don't think Sony have enough to support three platforms concurrently, last time PSP took the hit, and I'm sure they won't want Vita to go the same way.

 

[Dipswitch]

Microsoft has the most rumors, and generally with Microsoft all rumors that don't come from random UK magazines tend to be true.

I have to say they've done an admirable job of bottling things up this time around. Last gen we had full system specs and pictures of a kid playing with a prototype 360 well before it was announced.

 

[Ravage]

Hopefully it won't be too expensive this time. But I'm there for PS4. Have owned every Sony console and loved every one.

Me too. And going by the way Sony handled Vita, i'm pretty sure i'll be able to afford a PS4 day one.

I suspect Guerrilla's new IP will be on PS3 while Killzone 4 is on PS4.

Santa Monica implied they wanted one game out fast and one out slightly later, so that would kind of imply a PS3/PS4 split as well.

Quantic Dream, well it will be an adventure game so PS3 makes a lot of sense.

Sucker Punch though I think might be PS4. They're early enough to be PS3 still, but I don't see the real benefit to Sony to doing so unless they want one notable Spring 2013 PS3 title.

I'm also expecting to see GG's new IP on the PS3, saving KZ4 for PS4's launch. As for Sucker Punch, maybe we'll see a PS3/Vita project from them before this gen ends?

Totally fine with a 2014 launch, there's still a lot of unreleased games i'm waiting for :/

 

[KAL2006]

In terms of first party games for PS3 there isnt a whole lot. Although you could add Agent to that list. An exclusive Rockstar game with all the advertising blitz they bring should be a good seller for them.

But remember there is still your annual CoD's, Madden's, NBA games, and numerous multiplatform games that should get some pretty good sales like: Bioshock Infinite, Far Cry 3, Prey 2, Resident Evil Raccoon City, Soulcaliber V, Borderlands 2, and that new Tomb Raider and maybe Devil's Third. Maybe not any behemoth games for them like God of War(though who knows it may be possible they are holding off revealing it) but it should still be solid enough to get them to 2013. From 2013 onward though its a whole lot of nothing.

Yep, there are tons of shit to last until fall 2013
Ninja Gaiden 3
DOA5
Santa Monica game
Soul Calibur 5
2 Quantic Dream games
SFxT
TxSF
Devil's Third
Resident Evil Racoon City
Resident Evil 6
DmC
Tomb Raider
Starhawk
Last Guardian
COD
Sucker Punch game
Twisted Metal
Sly 4
Guerilla Games new IP
Ni No Kuni
MGS Rising
Mass Effect 3
XCOM
ProtoType 2
Bioshock Infinite
Final Fantasy Versus XIII

And thats just stuff we know about, surely there will be more games announced at the coming E3's TGS's, Gamescom's and etc.

 

[bgassassin]

Sony's 2012 is so telling.

Hard to say with Microsoft.

MS loves their viral marketing though. That Real Steel placement is too convenient to act like it was just for the time frame the movie takes place.

 

[Metalmurphy]

Uncharted 4 for PS4 seems like a given.

Spoiler

I wish

 

[Auto_aim1]

Sony's 2012 is so telling.

Hard to say with Microsoft.

Last year after GOW3 came out, people were saying the same thing. Then they announced KZ3, MS:A, UC3, Twisted Metal, Resistance 3 and so on. So they'll reveal some new games before E3 2012.

 

[Nirolak]

Yep, there are tons of shit to last until fall 2013
Ninja Gaiden 3
DOA5
Santa Monica game
Soul Calibur 5
2 Quantic Dream games
SFxT
TxSF
Devil's Third
Resident Evil Racoon City
Resident Evil 6
DmC
Tomb Raider
Starhawk
Last Guardian
COD
Sucker Punch game
Twisted Metal
Sly 4
Guerilla Games new IP
Ni No Kuni
MGS Rising
Mass Effect 3
XCOM
ProtoType 2
Bioshock Infinite
Final Fantasy Versus XIII

And thats just stuff we know about, surely there will be more games announced at the coming E3's TGS's, Gamescom's and etc.

As a side note, due to the cost of games, I'm expecting a lot of cross generation titles in the early years of next generation, so I don't think the third parties will be good benchmarks.

The first parties on the other hand have to convince people to upgrade despite this.

But yeah, I definitely think they can use third parties to fill the gaps.

 

[BurntPork]

2012 Wii U
2013 Xbox 720
2014 PlayStation 4

Sounds perfect to me.

A year between each sounds good for my wallet.

Hard to believe that next gen might be less than a year away...

 

[Jonm1010]

Uncharted 4 for PS4 seems like a given.

Spoiler

I wish

I was about to say, Naughty Dog said from the onset of this gen that they want to focus on one new franchise a generation. First it was Crash Bandicoot, than Jak and Daxter, now Uncharted. Presumably they will move on to something new next gen.

Personally I think Uncharted is better than their previous efforts and would love to see them possibly split their team, hire some more staff and start one new IP and continue Uncharted into next gen.

 

[Luckyman]

If someone hold outs to 2014 they could launch with 20nm process and produce something truly insane

 

[funkystudent]

Great news.


this gen is getting a bit old right now. even Vita embarrasses the ps3 in alot of ways.

Seems a good time in the SCE's Software cycle to start working on next gen projects.

Have a new God of War and a new Gran Turismo in 2012/2013 on ps3 and the big holiday releases for that year but have teams finishing games this year (naughty dog, Sucker Punk, Media Molecule) start work on big next gen projects.

Dont Forget GTA5 will probably be out in the next year or 2 as well so most big games will want to stay at least 6 months away from that Juggernaut.


Also maybe ND can release a Uncharted 4x4 off road racer in a year or so for fun and to keep the tradition alive!!!!!

 

[thekad]

Fall 2012.

 

[RoboPlato]

I was about to say, Naughty Dog said from the onset of this gen that they want to focus on one new franchise a generation. First it was Crash Bandicoot, than Jak and Daxter, now Uncharted. Presumably they will move on to something new next gen.

Personally I think Uncharted is better than their previous efforts and would love to see them possibly split their team, hire some more staff and start one new IP and continue Uncharted into next gen.

They actually just said recently that they want to continue Uncharted as long as they enjoy it and as long as there is demand so I think we'll see at least one PS4 entry.

 

[Metalmurphy]

I was about to say, Naughty Dog said from the onset of this gen that they want to focus on one new franchise a generation. First it was Crash Bandicoot, than Jak and Daxter, now Uncharted. Presumably they will move on to something new next gen.

Personally I think Uncharted is better than their previous efforts and would love to see them possibly split their team, hire some more staff and start one new IP and continue Uncharted into next gen.

Yeah I know, but at the same time, they never had anything as big as Uncharted.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

One can imagine how Uncharted 4 would look running on hardware two or three times as powerful...good lord.

 

[Jonm1010]

As a side note, due to the cost of games, I'm expecting a lot of cross generation titles in the early years of next generation, so I don't think the third parties will be good benchmarks.

The first parties on the other hand have to convince people to upgrade despite this.

But yeah, I definitely think they can use third parties to fill the gaps.

Yeah if I am Sony I would mostly let third parties fill the gap and try and push all my first party companies to develop and have ready a bunch of titles for launch.

They desperately want to retake the lead as the dominant console and I think their best bet is to use their first party developers to create games that differentiate themselves from Microsoft.

Microsoft has seemingly given up on big first party development. If both consoles release with relatively similar specs, on a relatively similar timeframe and with almost identical Third Party games, it will be the first party games that differentiate the consoles. If Sony can manage to get a majority of their first party developers to have a title out close to day one I think they could steal all the thunder at launch.

They actually just said recently that they want to continue Uncharted as long as they enjoy it and as long as there is demand so I think we'll see at least one PS4 entry.

That's awesome to hear.

 

[TacticalFox88]

Killzone 4 being made right. I refuse to give up on the franchise when it has sooooo much potential.

 

[RoboPlato]

One can imagine how Uncharted 4 would look running on hardware two or three times as powerful...good lord.

It'll be way more than two or three times as powerful.

 

[Lagspike_exe]

I'm not buying 1 years difference between MS/Sony. There's no way either one of them will allow 2 years of headstart to Nintendo.

Nintendo 2012
Sony & MS 2013

 

[Jonm1010]

If someone hold outs to 2014 they could launch with 20nm process and produce something truly insane

I have heard fractions of news about this new tech, what exactly makes it so great? And would it really be THAT big of a leap?

Also, I thought I heard about some of it releasing in 2013, couldnt that mean the next gen consoles could take advantage of it?

I'm not buying 1 years difference between MS/Sony. There's no way either one of them will allow 2 years of headstart to Nintendo.

Nintendo 2012
Sony & MS 2013

Im still not convinced Nintendo is going to get their system out as fast as they initially claimed they would.

 

[TacticalFox88]

One can imagine how Uncharted 4 would look running on hardware two or three times as powerful...good lord.

Just two or three times more powerful? Lawl, have you seen how fast computer tech has advanced in the last six years? Assuming the PS4 remains the most powerful system, it's going to absolutely ridiculously powerful.

 

[OldJadedGamer]

I'm not buying 1 years difference between MS/Sony. There's no way either one of them will allow 2 years of headstart to Nintendo.

Nintendo 2012
Sony & MS 2013

Until third parties put a serious effort into the machine... I don't think the system is a threat to either MS or Sony.

 

[Strike]

that didn't work out as well as they have hoped for ps3.... you know... 599....

To be fair that was mostly because of the blu-ray drive (and Cell to a lesser extent). Considering how they've handled the Vita, I don't think that will be a problem again.

 

[KAL2006]

As a side note, due to the cost of games, I'm expecting a lot of cross generation titles in the early years of next generation, so I don't think the third parties will be good benchmarks.

The first parties on the other hand have to convince people to upgrade despite this.

But yeah, I definitely think they can use third parties to fill the gaps.

This is quite common, just look at 360 line up this year, we have Gears 3, Forza 4 and a few Kinect games, most of the line up was just third party games. In fact I think Sony really didn't benefit much with many exclusive games getting released when there are far too many quality 3rd party games. Things like SOCOM and MotorStorm didn't really set the charts on fire, also Killzone 3 and Resistance 3 being released when there are so many other options for FPS games from 3rd parties. I also bet Ratchet A4O wont sell much due to the amount of quality games coming from 3rd parties this fall.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

It'll be way more than two or three times as powerful.

On paper, yes. In regards to real-time performance, no.

 

[electroshockwave]

On paper, yes. In regards to real-time performance, no.

What does that even mean?

 

[AgentChris]

I won't be able to even believe what can be achieved with PS4. My mind would be blown away to just think of the possibilities of Polyphony Digital, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, Media Molecule, Sucker Punch and Guerrilla can do with PS4; so I won't.

 

[Mr. B Natural]

Until third parties put a serious effort into the machine... I don't think the system is a threat to either MS or Sony.

Nintendo may be in a bad situation if the Wii-U is more akin to the 360 and PS3 hardware than sony's and ms's next-gen consoles. Or, if they find themselves in between...it could be worse depending on the size of the gap they find themselves in. It would be the Wii all over again for them. No man's land spec-wise. Kinda like the 3ds or the Ds now that I think about it. Hey, the 3ds can handle ps2 level graphics! But nobody is making ps2 games anymore. Ok, well, remakes it is. Hey, the Wii-U can handle Xbox 360/PS3 games and put them in 1080p! Well, that's nice. Nobody is making 360 games anymore. Hmm, alright, remakes are nice.

 

[kittens]

I'm a little bummed about Next Box being 2013. If it's Spring 2013, I guess it'll be fine... But I really don't want to wait all the way till Q4.

 

[Interficium]

2013, fuckin a.

Going to be a long couple of years. It's already pretty brutal comparing Battlefield 3 on consoles vs PC, I can't even imagine what it's going to be like two years from now.

 

[FlyingTeacup]

if somehow they can get bc of ps3 on ps4.....

Spoiler

i know... wistful thinking..

 

[Kaako]

I won't be able to even believe what can be achieved with PS4. My mind would be blown away to just think of the possibilities of Polyphony Digital, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, Media Molecule, Sucker Punch and Guerrilla can do with PS4; so I won't.

I just hope that the production/development costs don't shoot up through the roof and make everyone take less risks. I need my unique experiences come next gen.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

What does that even mean?

On paper it will be able to process things more efficiently and in greater numbers, but to assume this will translate directly to the final image...is hopeful.

Last month Nvidia claimed their latest video card (GTX 580) is ten times more powerful than that which is in the Xbox 360/PS3. Is their a PC game that looks ten times better?

 

[manueldelalas]

What does that even mean?

Means that the real difference you'll see will be smaller. Like the difference between PS1 and PS2 games is much bigger visually than the difference between PS2 and PS3 games, even though the power difference between the PS1 and PS2 is much smaller than the PS2 and PS3's.

Last generation people thought that the Xbox 360 was going to be like a Dreamcast because of the huge difference in power between the 360 and the PS3 (which exists, and is big), but in the end they got called the HD twins.

 

[Persona7]

One can imagine how Uncharted 4 would look running on hardware two or three times as powerful...good lord.

As a launch title?...Won't be taking advantage of the hardware by any means.

 

[H_Prestige]

Means that the real difference you'll see will be smaller. Like the difference between PS1 and PS2 games is much bigger visually than the difference between PS2 and PS3 games, even though the power difference between the PS1 and PS2 is much smaller than the PS2 and PS3's.

Last generation people thought that the Xbox 360 was going to be like a Dreamcast because of the huge difference in power between the 360 and the PS3 (which exists, and is big), but in the end they got called the HD twins.

Uh, what? If anything the 360 is quite a bit more powerful than the PS3. If it had bluray there would be no debate.

 

[Parmenides]

-Uh Oh,it’s Develop again

Develop Rumor: New Xbox console on desks at EA (Friday, 6th May 2011)

EA: Xbox 360 Successor Story Total Fabrication (May 6, 2011)


-Old news,anyway

Yoshida: Polyphony's Next Game In Concepting/Designing Phase, Will Take A Few Years (August 17, 2011)



-This guys know what's going on

No "huge hurry" for next gen, new consoles need to be affordable


The whole idea behind this (Samaritan) is to tell the hardware manufacturers that this is what you should be doing down the road.I'd like to see it (next gen) at a time when consumers are going to be ready to adopt it and jump in whole-heartedly.I'm not in a huge hurry for it .

I'd rather wait until they can bring out hardware that can do Samaritan affordably than bring out something super high-priced and the market adopts it slowly as they wait for a price drop

"In terms of something aimed at running Samaritan, I don't think it would be practical to come out with a new console at that spec right now," Rein added. "I think we're a few years away from that kind of hardware being available at a price consumers would embrace."

(July 20,2011)

OXM

I'd hate to say that the Wii U is late; in fact, you could almost argue that it's early.

They're aiming for a point beyond the current generation – they're just not leapfrogging it. One can certainly envision a future a couple years down the road where we have some significantly leapfrogged generation and then the Wii U again becomes a system that's not easily portable between the other platforms

(August 4,2011)

INDUSTRYGAMERS

The next generation

“The hard part about getting to work with the hardware manufacturers early is that then I can’t talk about it at all,” he says.

“‘What would you like to see?’ I can’t tell you, because I know what’s going on.”

(September 6,2011)

VG247

The intent with Samaritan was just to put it out there and say: 'this is the kind of thing we can produce, if you build the hardware'.

The tools to build that stuff are available in the Unreal Development Kit for free, now. And the hardware to run it is available if you're prepared to drop two and a half grand on a PC. It's just not clearly available in any other form or factor.

If you can give us something that has this minimum spec, then this is the kind of quality that we can produce. And obviously since we license the engine other studios will be able to produce that level of quality too.

(October 18,2011)

OXM

 

[Nirolak]

So, Parmenides, since you seem intent on posting giant wall of text blocks in every thread and changing the links whenever one doesn't work out to your theory, what will be your response if the Xbox 720 actually does show up at E3?

 

[KAL2006]

I think MS will have the advantage of having backwards compatibility for 360/XBLA games on the Nextbox, while Sony will most likely not have backwards compatibility for PS3/PSN games.

 

[Plinko]

I don't see Sony launching later than MSFT.

Of course you don't.

But most in the games business do.

 

[H_Prestige]

I think MS will have the advantage of having backwards compatibility for 360/XBLA games on the Nextbox, while Sony will most likely not have backwards compatibility for PS3/PSN games.

Vita is compatible with PSP/PSN software when Sony could have gotten away with not having it. PS4 will have full BC with PS1/PS2/PS3 games. Bank on it.

 

[pr0cs]

I just wonder if E3 next year we'll hear anything about the next systems or if it will be 'business as usual'.

 

[inner-G]

So what will they call the next Playstation? Wouldn't having a "4" in it be a big faux pas for Japan?

Yup. I wonder what it will be? They may just call it 4 anyway, it's anybody's guess.

 

[herzogzwei1989]

I fully expect the next Xbox and PS4 to be on store shelves by holiday 2013.

Lets do this ^__^

 

[badcrumble]

Yup. I wonder what it will be? They may just call it 4 anyway, it's anybody's guess.

They may, yeah. They pronounced the Anglicized versions of the numbers for 2/3 anyway instead of pronouncing them in Japanese, so it doesn't have that whole four/death pun thing going on.