Dick Cheney says he may need a heart transplant . . . the jokes write themselves

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SlipperySlope said:
What's there to joke about with somebody with a serious health problem?
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Oh noes people make fun of a war criminal, how rude. Fuck off with this holier than thou attitude when you're defending a dick like him.
 
_Bro said:
So what reason do people have to hate Cheney other than political issues?
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I meant it wasn't a left/right issue. ALL americans should have had a problem with the war in Iraq. I see no point in someone defending Cheney and acting like the animus stems from Cheney being a republican. That's quite dishonest.
 
threenote said:
he's a piece of shit.
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Oh, case closed. Party on in hell you old piece of shit.

YoungHav said:
I meant it wasn't a left/right issue. ALL americans should have had a problem with the war in Iraq. I see no point in someone defending Cheney and acting like the animus stems from Cheney being a republican.
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"Should have" ?

Last I check we still had troops over there.

But yes, continue to elaborate more. I'm interested, you have my ear - tell me why Cheney is a piece of shit and doesn't deserve the right live.
 
Did people sympathize with Hitler too?
No.

He was also, objectively an evil man. Just like Dick Cheney.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
So, you think a bunch of Republicans and right-wingers are hoping for Vice President Cheney's death, comparing him to Hitler, and calling him a mass murderer?

That's a pretty big stretch, dood. That's like fucking Stretch Armstrong stretching there.
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Yes, because only Democrats are allowed to feel outrage over the deaths of thousands. Conservatives must toe the party line and support someone no matter what they do because of being a GOP member and are not allowed to have independent though.
 
Zenith said:
Yes, because only Democrats are allowed to feel outrage over the deaths of thousands. Conservatives must toe the party line and support someone no matter what they do because of being a GOP member and are not allowed to have independent though.
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The world according to Poligaf
 
_Bro said:
"Should have" ?

Last I check we still had troops over there.

But yes, continue to elaborate more. I'm interested, you have my ear - tell me why Cheney is a piece of shit and doesn't deserve the right live.
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You make no sense whatsoever.
 
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I wonder if, in the alternate reality where stem cell research was embraced, that Cheney has a newly-grown heart.
 
Axion22 said:
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I wonder if, in the alternate reality where stem cell research was embraced, that Cheney has a newly-grown heart.
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HEY HEY!!! THE GRINCH KISSED THAT "WHO" IN THE END. Cheney would have prob shot her and taken her heart.
 
_Bro said:
"Should have" ?

Last I check we still had troops over there.
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lulz! You got me there, bro!

*badumtish*

_Bro said:
But yes, continue to elaborate more. I'm interested, you have my ear - tell me why Cheney is a piece of shit and doesn't deserve the right live.
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Yeah he deserves the right to live... incarcerated.
 
YoungHav said:
lulz! You got me there, bro!

*badumtish*


Yeah he deserves the right to live... incarcerated.
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Please elaborate. Let's not ignore my questions. I want you, with all the knowledge you have on Cheney stored in your brain, to tell me why he doesn't deserve to get a heart. It's obvious you're on the side which believes he does not deserve a transplant.

Good sir, please educate me!
 
I feel an ounce of sympathy. It must suck living with so many heart problems all the time.

Something must be wrong with me.
 
YoungHav said:
Yeah he deserves the right to live... incarcerated.
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Pretty much.

I will never forgive the man for being instrumental in misdirecting the anguish of the American people after 9/11 towards war in Iraq, as revenge, or as some kind of existential threat. He is a war criminal and it shouldn't shock anyone to see the he isn't universally loved or sympathized for.
 
_Bro said:
Please elaborate. Let's not ignore my questions. I want you, with all the knowledge you have on Cheney stored in your brain, to tell me why he doesn't deserve to get a heart. It's obvious you're on the side which believes he does not deserve a transplant.

Good sir, please educate me!
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Disregarding the poster you posed the question to, as I understand it (bear in mind I've never needed an organ transplant) you have to wait on a list that prioritizes cases at least in part by their likelihood for long-term health post-operation. A 69 year old man who has had 5 heart attacks, abnormal beating patterns, and multiple surgeries should not be a priority when there are lots of more reliable people who need the same transplant. If a heart can be given to someone to extend their life by 40 years, why should it be given to someone else who might die of natural causes in the next 10-15?

I think, given his personal health history and the fact that he's already 69, there are others who are waiting for a heart transplant who could put it to better use than he.
 
Following 9/11, Cheney was instrumental in providing a primary justification for entering into a war with Iraq. Cheney helped shape Bush's approach to the "War on Terrorism", making numerous public statements alleging Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction,[61] and made several personal visits to CIA headquarters, where he questioned mid-level agency analysts on their conclusions.[62] Cheney continued to allege links between Saddam Hussein and al-Queda, even though President Bush received a classified President's Daily Brief on September 21, 2001 indicating the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking Saddam Hussein to the September 11th attacks and that "there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda."[63] Furthermore, in 2004, the 9/11 Commission concluded that there was no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda.[64]
Following the US invasion of Iraq, Cheney remained steadfast in his support of the war, stating that it would be an "enormous success story",[65] and made many visits to the country. He often criticized war critics, calling them "opportunists" who were peddling "cynical and pernicious falsehoods" to gain political advantage while US soldiers died in Iraq. In response, Senator John Kerry asserted, "It is hard to name a government official with less credibility on Iraq [than Cheney]
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In July 2003, the Supreme Court ruled that the US Department of Commerce must disclose NEPDG documents, containing references to companies that had made agreements with the previous Iraqi government to extract Iraq's petroleum.[76]
Beginning in 2003, Cheney's staff opted not to file required reports with the National Archives and Records Administration office charged with assuring that the executive branch protects classified information, nor did it allow inspection of its record keeping.[77] Cheney refused to release the documents, citing his executive privilege to deny congressional information requests.[78][79] Media outlets such as Time magazine and CBS News questioned whether Cheney had created a "fourth branch of government" that was not subject to any laws.
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They also highlighted Cheney’s behind-the-scenes influence on the administration’s environmental policy to ease pollution controls for power plants, facilitate the disposal of nuclear waste, open access to federal timber resources, and avoid federal constraints on greenhouse gas emissions, among other issues. The articles characterized his approach to policy formulation as favoring business over the environment.
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The guy has no appreciation for human life, adhering to the laws of our government, or the environment. He's a fucking abomination of a human being who has manipulated his position in government for personal gain. I see no reason to feel any sympathy towards him or his current medical condition.
 
To go along with what Nafai posted:

In the run-up to the invasion, one of the most senior officials in charge of procurement in the Pentagon objected to a contract potentially worth $7bn that was given to Halliburton, a Texan company which used to be run by Dick Cheney before he became vice-president.
Unusually only Halliburton got to bid - and won.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7444083.stm

Blood of Americans and Iraqis for money.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
So the fact that he gave more advice to the President than most VPs, which the President could still choose to heed or not at his leisure , makes him somehow equivalent to the all-powerful dictator of Germany, the supreme commander of the Third Reich, Adolf Hitler?

Right...
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I said nothing regarding the argued equivalence of Cheney to Hitler. I'm only showing that he held significant sway with Bush's policy formation.

If you're accidently mixing my comment with the prevailing argument that Cheney = Hitler, that's a forgivable mistake. Otherwise, don't put words in my mouth.
 
Arthrus said:
Disregarding the poster you posed the question to, as I understand it (bear in mind I've never needed an organ transplant) you have to wait on a list that prioritizes cases at least in part by their likelihood for long-term health post-operation. A 69 year old man who has had 5 heart attacks, abnormal beating patterns, and multiple surgeries should not be a priority when there are lots of more reliable people who need the same transplant. If a heart can be given to someone to extend their life by 40 years, why should it be given to someone else who might die of natural causes in the next 10-15?

I think, given his personal health history and the fact that he's already 69, there are others who are waiting for a heart transplant who could put it to better use than he.
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Well, I just want to know if some of the people in this thread know there stuff instead of just being on the bandwagon (poor word, oh well) of calling him a war criminal, hitler, etc.

I don't think the guys a good person but to deny him the right to live? Come on. Sure, he could wait on the list or he could donate lots of money to the hospital, research, and whatever else to get his name to the top of the list.
 
_Bro said:
So what reason do people have to hate Cheney other than political issues?
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It seems a lot of people take political issues and personalize them to the extent that they actually personally despise their political opponents (as they said, "The personal is political").

Anyway, Cheney is quite a controversial figure, and recently there's a lot of heartache regarding the notion that Obama's course of action since since becoming president isn't all that different than what Cheney would have done.

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2011/01/18/cheney

In the early months of Obama's presidency, the American Right did to him what they do to every Democratic politician: they accused him of being soft on defense (specifically "soft on Terror") and leaving the nation weak and vulnerable to attack. But that tactic quickly became untenable as everyone (other than his hardest-core followers) was forced to acknowledge that Obama was embracing and even expanding -- rather than reversing -- the core Bush/Cheney approach to Terrorism. As a result, leading right-wing figures began lavishing Obama with praise -- and claiming vindication -- based on Obama's switch from harsh critic of those policies (as a candidate) to their leading advocate (once in power).
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Nafai1123 said:
The guy has no appreciation for human life, adhering to the laws of our government, or the environment. He's a fucking abomination of a human being who has manipulated his position in government for personal gain. I see no reason to feel any sympathy towards him or his current medical condition.
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What is so radically different between Cheney and the average right-wing moron at the time? Power is the only thing I can think of. Being reluctant to release documents, favoring short-term business gains over long-term environmental consequences, supporting the 9/11-related wars, etc isn't exclusive to Cheney.
 
Nafai1123 said:
The guy has no appreciation for human life, adhering to the laws of our government, or the environment. He's a fucking abomination of a human being who has manipulated his position in government for personal gain. I see no reason to feel any sympathy towards him or his current medical condition.
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And it goes way back.

Prior to 9/11, Dick Cheney voted to allow plastic guns which could not be detected by metal detectors to be sold in the USA (the bill lost).

Dick Cheney voted against a 1986 symbolic resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela from prison. Why? Because he considered Mandela a 'terrorist'.


So he voted for plastic guns, he thought Mandela was a terrorist, and he was party of administrations that befriended Saddam, and he started a war in Iraq claiming it was linked to terrorism.


Could there be anyone that got terrorism any more wrong than Dick Cheney?
 
Seems like the US pattern is that when leftists hate someone for political issues, the hated figure is one responsible for wars resulting in tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths. While when rightists hate someone, it's because they fear the hated figure might be responsible for them losing a "way of life", in other words, luxuries enjoyed by a tiny, spoiled, decadent minority.
 
Pristine_Condition said:
Nice to see the political left and Democrats not being hypocrites about the whole "we've got to raise the tone of political rhetoric and make it less hateful" thing they've been so "concerned" about since the tragic shooting.


Let's see...

Wishing for a man's death? Check.

Comparison to Hitler? Check.

Calling him a "mass murderer?" Check.


Nope. Not being hypocrites at all.
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Random forum posts = words and images from actual political figures!!!!
 
sad that if he wants one, he'll get it, while countless younger people needing one will continue to wait
 
speculawyer said:
And it goes way back.

Prior to 9/11, Dick Cheney voted to allow plastic guns which could not be detected by metal detectors to be sold in the USA (the bill lost).

Dick Cheney voted against a 1986 symbolic resolution calling for the release of Nelson Mandela from prison. Why? Because he considered Mandela a 'terrorist'.


So he voted for plastic guns, he thought Mandela was a terrorist, and he was party of administrations that befriended Saddam, and he started a war in Iraq claiming it was linked to terrorism.


Could there be anyone that got terrorism any more wrong than Dick Cheney?
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Links to bills. Can't think of the exact term but was it the big part of the bill or just something they 'sneaked in?'
 
avatar299 said:
He is a former CEO. That's a flaw in some people's eyes.
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Oh ho ho, is this thread fun.

You know, I don't think people have the same problem with Bill Gates, and he's was the CEO for one of the world's largest corporations, one that had ruthless business practices at some points and was inept at other points. Try harder.
 
JCX said:
Finally, a change of heart.

On a serious note, even though I believe Cheney to be behind some of the worst policy decisions during the Bush admi nistration, I still hope he recovers. He is still somebody's loved one.
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So were all the U.S. soldiers in Iraq that died for nothing.
 
chaostrophy said:
Seems like the US pattern is that when leftists hate someone for political issues, the hated figure is one responsible for wars resulting in tens or hundreds of thousands of deaths. While when rightists hate someone, it's because they fear the hated figure might be responsible for them losing a "way of life", in other words, luxuries enjoyed by a tiny, spoiled, decadent minority.
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Well you've got the vast and ignorant generalizations part down. So yeah, you're ready for GAF-American politics.
 
LaserBuddha said:
Well you've got the vast and ignorant generalizations part down. So yeah, you're ready for GAF-American politics.
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So where's the counter-example that proves my generalization to be ignorant?
 
chaostrophy said:
So where's the counter-example that proves my generalization to be ignorant?
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Umm, the very fact that everything you said was binary, most egregiously the separation of the political spectrum into two distinct teams? The idea that liberals only hate political figures that commit atrocities (take out Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush, there's really no one else?), or that conservatives only hate political figures that threaten their "way of life" (conservatives, just like liberals, will vilify any significant opposition to any of their goals)? That all conservative values are just about luxuries for the wealthy? (and I couldn't give less of a damn about the values the right-wing cries over)

My examples are inevitably skewed to a right-wing viewpoint, since you are challenging me to disprove statements so extremely skewed to a left-wing viewpoint.

Anyway, I can see your question was just bait anyway. I mean, as slimy as the majority of these politicians are, and as self-serving and disingenuous as both parties are, you are going to characterize liberals as peace-loving champions of truth and justice, and conservatives as evil slave-driving robber barons? They've got you hook, line, and sinker.

You've found your perfect circle-jerk on GAF, feel free to wallow in it.
 
TL4E said:
What is so radically different between Cheney and the average right-wing moron at the time? Power is the only thing I can think of. Being reluctant to release documents, favoring short-term business gains over long-term environmental consequences, supporting the 9/11-related wars, etc isn't exclusive to Cheney.
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Power is everything. Sure there are people that support his ideas, but he was the one that carried them out. There is a huge difference. Supporting an idea (I agree) and making that idea happen (hey let's lie about WMD's so we can invade Iraq) are not the same.
 
LaserBuddha said:
Umm, the very fact that everything you said was binary, most egregiously the separation of the political spectrum into two distinct teams? The idea that liberals only hate political figures that commit atrocities (take out Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush, there's really no one else?), or that conservatives only hate political figures that threaten their "way of life" (conservatives, just like liberals, will vilify any significant opposition to any of their goals)? That all conservative values are just about luxuries for the wealthy? (and I couldn't give less of a damn about the values the right-wing cries over)

My examples are inevitably skewed to a right-wing viewpoint, since you are challenging me to disprove statements so extremely skewed to a left-wing viewpoint.

Anyway, I can see your question was just bait anyway. I mean, as slimy as the majority of these politicians are, and as self-serving and disingenuous as both parties are, you are going to characterize liberals as peace-loving champions of truth and justice, and conservatives as evil slave-driving robber barons? They've got you hook, line, and sinker.
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Who is "they"? I don't care about teams, I have no particular allegiance to the Democratic or Republican parties. In fact I think the most admirable politician in the US right now is an independent (Bernie Sanders).
 
Nafai1123 said:
Power is everything. Sure there are people that support his ideas, but he was the one that carried them out. There is a huge difference. Supporting an idea (I agree) and making that idea happen (hey let's lie about WMD's so we can invade Iraq) are not the same.
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Yep, Cheney and Rumsfeld can pretty much held responsible for orchestrating the whole Iraq mess.

Even more so than Bush really, though as a president he should know when to listen to the right people and not stick religiously to a failed policy. How that's weighed against Cheney and Rumsfeld's genuine scheming is up for debate or maybe not even relevant.



I LOL'd at this (I hope it links properly, since I can't see it on my work PC):
political-pictures-rumsfeld-bush-cheney-heart-attack.jpg
 
Pristine_Condition said:
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Comparison to Hitler? Check.
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Totally uncalled for.. Hermann Göring would have been the better fit
 
FlightOfHeaven said:
Oh ho ho, is this thread fun.

You know, I don't think people have the same problem with Bill Gates, and he's was the CEO for one of the world's largest corporations, one that had ruthless business practices at some points and was inept at other points. Try harder.
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Really, you think no one on GAF has a problem with M$? Wow
 
I'll keep this in mind with poli gaf wants to talk about the lowering the level of discourse and the disrespectful things Palin says.
 
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