Bartski
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I'm not seeing those deficiencies, unless you mean that slight shimmer at 400% zoom in places. I'm way more interested in whether they fixed texture streaming issues and pop-in that DF is routinely immune to noticing
Digital Foundry - Exclusive - The Last Of Us Part 2 - PS5 Pro PSSR Upgrades Tested
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Throttle
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Richard played the Pro version for capture. The guy talking also got to try it, but not capture footage.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
The 4070 is $550. How do you get $700 lol?
ChiefDada
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People keep offering this sentiment presumably forgetting that everyone has been complaining about sub par image quality on the TV screens they currently have, vast majority of which are not 75-100 inch. If their screen was large enough to recognize poor IQ, then it will remain large enough to perceive those problems disappearing on the Pro.
Senua
Member
Yes, unless you're watching a 24" screen from like 30ft away or something retarded.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Goddamn this footage looks sharp as fuck on the Pro, better than Fidelity
Amazing job at a pretty basic patch
Amazing job at a pretty basic patch
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CrustyBritches
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PSSR looks pretty good. Would be cool to see it paired with FSR3 FG for 120fps modes if there's enough headroom.
SplunkyMunkey
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Definitely more better then FSR. I reckon it be just as good as dlss it won't be better then dlss due to how long nvidia has been working on it and difference on power on gpus but with mark cerny leading the design of consoles it will give dlss a run for its money and to me I'd rather spend to get a pro and have dlss experience and pay out Hugh amount of money for a gaming pc despite the lack of games still a Hugh upgrade compared to ps4 and ps4 pro
Mr.Phoenix
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It launched at $550?
It launched at $600 and even then good luck getting it at that price in its first 3 months.
Either way... my point stands. Because if that's how you wanna play it... the current price of an RX6700 is $370. So $370 vs $550. And that is JUST a GPU.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
$600 I think, but now it's $550, so why would we talk about the old prices?
Why are we going back to more than a year ago?
I'd say $180 to go from an RX 6700 to an RTX 4070 is 100% worth it. 60-70% better rasterized performance. Easily twice the ray tracing performance. DLSS, Reflex. Yeah...I don't think this is the comparison you wanna make lol.
ChiefDada
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Then it's likely you appreciated the temporal resolution advantage/motion clarity over the higher output resolution and lower frames from fidelity mode. It's cool that they are keeping the original modes in because you'll get to see what you were missing from that mode.
CloudShiner
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Thought the same, but go onto Pushsquare, supposedly a site of Sony fans, and they can't stop trashing the Pro in any comment section they get the chance to! Pretending they can't see any difference, even claiming their TV is so good that it upscales as well as PSSR. Some real swivel-eyes loons over there, out of all sites.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
because the PS5pro is not an old console. So compare launch prices to get a real sense of relative value.
read above.
Are you listenning to yourself?
So spending $550 vs. $370 ($180 delta) on a GPu to get what you described is worth it, but spending $700 vs. $450 (250 delta) to get a whole console that gives you double the framerate at the quality or better of the 30fps mode, 2-3x better RT... and a whole new reconstruction tech/hardware in tow isn't?
Its stuff like this that makes me ashamed to say I am a Pc gamer sometimes, we are supposed to be the tech-savvy ones, but I see that even amongst us our biases can sometimes make us throw all that savvy away.
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Shin-Ra
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'Unlocked Framerate' is locked for all rendering modes in this (capture?) setup but there's nothing to suggest the Pro mode would permanently be locked out.
One thing I spotted by zooming in while the modes switch is the Pro mode uses the native 2160p UI which annoyingly gets downgraded to 1440p in the performance mode.
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I get it, and everyone is free to get the pro if they desire. But it could be much smarter. I've replaced my GPU with a second hand 3070ti (which is basically the equivalent to a pro in compute units) for 250,-
I personally only upgrade to be slightly above the current console specs every so often. That's why my high end 2014 still matches (slightly exceeding) the current console CPUs and haven't needed to upgrade in awhile,
which is insane and says alot about the current gen CPU.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
No, because it's 2024. We compare current prices to current prices. We can't go back to 2022, so who cares what the prices were then? The poster you quoted was talking about the here and now, saying it's not worth it for $700. You got defensive and then made a comparison that doesn't make sense.
Yes. Are you?
When exactly did I say that? I asked how you got $700 for the RTX 4070. It was never $700. It was $600 and is now $550.
Talk about overreacting. I'm saying that today, going from a 6700 to a 4070 for $180 is absolutely worth it. Besides, I see the 6700 XT on Amazon for $290 vs $540 for the RTX 4070. This is a much more interesting comparison because the 6700 XT is faster than the regular 6700. So is it worth it to add another $250 to go from a 6700 XT to a 4070? Once again, I'd say yes.
To close it out and not derail the thread further with this silly PC vs PS5 comparison. Do I think the Pro is overpriced? Yes. Do I think PC GPUs are overpriced? Yes. Relative to 2020 (and especially 2016), everything has gotten quite a bit more expensive.
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DeepEnigma
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Push Square hasn't been a "Sony fans" site in quite a while in that regards.Thought the same, but go onto Pushsquare, supposedly a site of Sony fans, and they can't stop trashing the Pro in any comment section they get the chance to! Pretending they can't see any difference, even claiming their TV is so good that it upscales as well as PSSR. Some real swivel-eyes loons over there, out of all sites.
James Sawyer Ford
Banned
Thought the same, but go onto Pushsquare, supposedly a site of Sony fans, and they can't stop trashing the Pro in any comment section they get the chance to! Pretending they can't see any difference, even claiming their TV is so good that it upscales as well as PSSR. Some real swivel-eyes loons over there, out of all sites.
Probably fake astroturfing accounts
Senua
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LordOcidax
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4X Zoom
Topher
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Are folks really pretending we need 4X zoom to see these differences?
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's off screen shot. It shows the whole TV set, there is no zoom, just the character up close via camera placement.
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XXL
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Yes.
They are the same ones saying one version of a game destroys another version over 100p.
Senua
Member
Some people are oblivious. My girlfriend for instance cannot tell the difference between 4k DLAA and DLSS and performance, to me it's clear as day. For those people they can just stick to PS5 init
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
They loved 4X zoom last gen. I wonder what changed?
You're girlfriend isn't an NeoGAF enthusiast tech nerd gamer. People here are intellectually dishonest.
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Topher
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Hell, some folks here need to go back to PS4.
XXL
Banned
The new game comparison are going to be hilarious.
You're going to have one camp bragging about minor differences, between a 4080/4090s over the Pro.
Another another camp saying that can't see the difference between the normal console versions and the Pro.
It's going to be tough to navigate for some people. Lol.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
The new game comparison are going to be hilarious.
You're going to have one camp bragging about minor differences, between a 4080/4090s over the Pro.
Another another camp saying that can't see the difference between the normal console versions and the Pro.
It's going to be tough to navigate for some people. Lol.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Your fanboyism is getting insufferable.The new game comparison are going to be hilarious.
You're going to have one camp bragging about minor differences, between a 4080/4090s over the Pro.
Another another camp saying that can't see the difference between the normal console versions and the Pro.
It's going to be tough to navigate for some people. Lol.
XXL
Banned
What I said is absolutely true. Lol.
I own every console, multiple VR headsets and a gaming PC.
I just treat it like "pieces of plastic", while some posters just get in their feelings about things.
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LordOcidax
Member
Off screen shot of a 4X zoom images… The PS5 doesn't have comparison tools build in.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
It's not a 4X zoom image. It's the camera turned so you can see the backpack. Something you can do right now in the game. That is the game being played live.
4X zoom is when they zoom in on the screenshot after.
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TheTony316
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I hope CDPR is working on a Cyberpunk Pro update with RT. Would be a great benchmark demo for the system.
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It's irredeemably stupid. You're trying to flex the Pro like it was some super victory over PC. Except that the Pro is still inferior to an RTX 4070 specs-wise, which in turn lags behind an RTX 3080. The Pro has been effectively available on PC for 4 years and here you're bragging as if it were some kind of revolutionary change and even talking about a 4090 when all it takes to get a similar experience is a 4070 and that level of performance has been available since 2020.
The Pro is a nice upgrade, but some of you have turned into utter morons who cannot contextualize and fail to grasp basic things because you let fanboyism blind you. "Hur hur hur, console gamers are finally getting AI-based upscaling and good IQ 4 years after PC gamers." is the kind of shit your PCMR counterpart would say and I'm sure you'd call them out, so why behave like that? What I say will fall on deaf ears though because you're clearly a fanboy and what I said is every bit as true as you did. Doesn't stop it from being dumb, but don't let me stop you.
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DeepEnigma
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I didn't get that from his statement at all. What he did say is true with a lot of the warring on here.
Parazels
Member
I feel nothing could satisfy these anti $700 rioters.
Topher
Identifies as young
I didn't get that from his post. I think he is talking about differences in still screenshots as far as image quality is concerned. Obviously 4080/4090 are going to have huge advantage in frame rates.
LordOcidax
Member
Dude, it's clearly says 4X in the corner of the image and is obviously a zoomed image.
XXL
Banned
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
You can literally recreate that without zoom by moving the camera and sticking them near an obstacle.
Bottom line, after all the mental gymnastics, you will notice a difference on your own screen. Bet.
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
That's literally what he is doing. Trying to suggest that there's no difference between a 4090 and a PS5 Pro.
This is him trying to say that there are only minor differences between a 4080/4090 and a Pro. He's also been shitting on PC and making hilariously wrong threads such as the ChatGPT one.
Check his post history and then tell me that this guy isn't one to engage in petty system wars.
Nah, just tired of stupid fanboyism. Not possible to appreciate the Pro without shitting on other systems? Sounds too difficult for you.I've never said any of that.
LordOcidax
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Senua
Member
I do hope the discourse gets less toxic. The technology is awesome no matter the platform, it's fun to poke at eachother but at the end of the day it's cool console finally had a great AI solution like PC has had for a long time. Welcome to the party and enjoy the ride bitches. Also fuck TAAThe new game comparison are going to be hilarious.
You're going to have one camp bragging about minor differences, between a 4080/4090s over the Pro.
Another another camp saying that can't see the difference between the normal console versions and the Pro.
It's going to be tough to navigate for some people. Lol.