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[Senua]

Come again, is this supposed to be an implication that its empty (Video below)? Anyway, I will play SM2 and enjoy it and yet be critical of its visual and tech in display. Another thing John didn't go into is the NPC characters in the street, from what i have seen, they are pretty lackluster. There's so many thing John just glossed over that would have added to the quality and depth of this video. Building textures, LOD pop in, geometry, etc.

Missed opportunity to clarify the visual fidelity of the game.

I think there is just so much stuff coming out ATM DF are rushing their videos somewhat.

Alex's Pc video of Forza missed out massive issues like the downgraded trackside detail compared to xbox

 

[shamoomoo]

Add new RT feature, or maybe path tracing, they show how cdproject super weak at optimisation

At that point,the game would be like a CG movie. Spider-Man 2 already has muscle deformation and minor improvements to foliage and the other stuff in the city would be like playing "Spider-Man:no way home" in game form.

 

[Physiognomonics]

"Way more impressive"? Definitely not. Better looking characters? Perhaps (though Peter's hair looks better than just about any hair in FW), there is always raytracing on (Forbidden West isn't taxed like this), and SM2 has to deal with more npcs/traffic. Loading is also faster in SM2 (Forbidden West isn't a slouch, though)!

The bottom line is we can appreciate one without playing down the other, because both games are impressive and do things the other does not.

One thing Forbidden West does better is the level of geometry details thanks to the incredible vegetation system. This is where the game can be more impressive if you appreciate how expensive vegetation is for a hardware to run at this level. But SM2 is better in all others (technical) aspects IMO.

 

[blastprocessor]

It's a shame the artists didn't use this as inspiration (specifically the way the lights look on the right). It looks like the whole window is lit on the left whereas the ceilings are light on the right.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

One thing Forbidden West does better is the level of geometry details thanks to the incredible vegetation system. This is where the game can be more impressive if you appreciate how expensive vegetation is for a hardware to run at this level. But SM2 is better in all others (technical) aspects IMO.

This is a fair assessment, for the most part. I actually think Forbidden West's foliage and environment textures will be hard for nearly any game to top!

 

[S0ULZB0URNE]

One thing Forbidden West does better is the level of geometry details thanks to the incredible vegetation system. This is where the game can be more impressive if you appreciate how expensive vegetation is for a hardware to run at this level. But SM2 is better in all others (technical) aspects IMO.

We can't compare a jungle to a concrete jungle.

 

[FrankWza]

Marvel's INSOMNIACS Spiderman 2

 

[8BiTw0LF]

This time there will be no complaints about the puddles, right? xDD, amazing what Insomniac has achieved with this Spiderman 2.

On a 3 year old $399 console...

Insomniac are wizards!

 

[Physiognomonics]

Insomniac solved the "ray tracing reflections running at 60fps on a big open-world with incredible fast travel" problem on consoles. No other studios come close. At this point they could make money on selling their engine to others instead of using badly optimized UE5 engine.

 

[freefornow]

No framerate/frametime graphs? That's DF's bread and butter (including 4000000x zoom).
John couldnt bring himself to include them? Leaving them for someone else to take the flak? Poor Oliver or Tom.

 

[8BiTw0LF]

Imagine what those mad lads could do with a PS5 Pro and its extra horsepower

R-Rated Wolverine in 2024-2025?

 

[DanielG165]

For those saying SM2 looks similar to SM1 and Miles Morales, I disagree. Insomniac are squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the PS5 with this latest entry, and you can certainly tell. Even Spider-Man remastered doesn’t look as good, except perhaps maxed out completely on PC. Otherwise, a PS4 would’ve exploded trying to run even one scene from this game.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Insomniac solved the "ray tracing reflections running at 60fps on a big open-world with incredible fast travel" problem on consoles. No other studios come close. At this point they could make money on selling their engine to others instead of using badly optimized UE5 engine.

Yeah, but their buildings are "bland", so that wouldn't happen....

In all seriousness, agreed. They've crafted yet another technical marvel and are showing many others how it should be done! I expect Wolverine to raise the bar once more.

 

[shamoomoo]

R-Rated Wolverine in 2024-2025?

Though it was only a trailer,the wolverine game was shown two years ago so 2024 seems most likely when it releases, unless it coincides with PS5 pro release as a show case for the mid gen refresh.

 

[Physiognomonics]

According to NXGamer the resolution of framerate and fidelity modes is usually near the end of the respective scales (1440p and 2160p).

 

[Buggy Loop]

I want to hug Insomniac Games for trying to remove screen space reflections from our lives

The faster other devs follow suit, the faster we get rid of that fucking trash

 

[sachos]

Insomniac keeps being one of the only devs showcasing what next gen loading actually looks like.

 

[Pimpbaa]

Definitely playing this at 40fps. Insomniac’s engine handles lower framerates better than most. I wish more devs in general would give us a 40fps option (seems like mostly just Sony’s studios and maybe a few third party games).

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Fast travel is just click and you are immediately anywhere in the map. Good stuff.

Some small spoilers below.

 

[Hawking Radiation]

Christ, Wolverine is gona be good isn't it

 

[Zuzu]

Definitely playing this at 40fps. Insomniac’s engine handles lower framerates better than most. I wish more devs in general would give us a 40fps option (seems like mostly just Sony’s studios and maybe a few third party games).

The motion blur they use in R&C: Rift Apart is top of the class and makes 40fps nice to play. 40fps is a good way to play their games

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Gonna be hard for me to pick between 30 and 60….

Think I may go 30

 

[BouncyFrag]

This time there will be no complaints about the puddles, right? xDD, amazing what Insomniac has achieved with this Spiderman 2.

My body is ready.

 

[SlimySnake]

Gonna be hard for me to pick between 30 and 60….

Think I may go 30

Play in 30. Just don’t switch back and forth and you will get used to it in 5 minutes.

Played totk and ff16 at 30 fps just this year. Definitely not deal breaker.

 

[sinnergy]

Better ray-tracing , awesome , and people say Ray-tracing is crap on AMD, just shows the effort by devs vs Nvidia support.

 

[Esppiral]

It looks better than I thought, it will have to wait until I finish Alan Wake 2 though

 

[Zathalus]

Better ray-tracing , awesome , and people say Ray-tracing is crap on AMD, just shows the effort by devs vs Nvidia support.

It is crap. Don't mistake developer talent with good hardware. If the PS5 was running with RT capabilities that matched Nvidia this game would likely have RT AO and shadows on top of the reflections.

 

[Ronin_7]

Insomniac solved the "ray tracing reflections running at 60fps on a big open-world with incredible fast travel" problem on consoles. No other studios come close. At this point they could make money on selling their engine to others instead of using badly optimized UE5 engine.

PlayStation 5 clearly has some hidden super powers, these kind of visuals are nuts.

 

[Three]

Insomniac making good on that early PS5 tech demo.

 

[TxKnight7]

For those saying SM2 looks similar to SM1 and Miles Morales, I disagree. Insomniac are squeezing every last ounce of performance out of the PS5 with this latest entry, and you can certainly tell. Even Spider-Man remastered doesn’t look as good, except perhaps maxed out completely on PC. Otherwise, a PS4 would’ve exploded trying to run even one scene from this game.

From the Video
" I think the tech powering Spider-Man 2 is excellent, and a nice evolution of Insomniac's work on prior games. While it doesn't completely rewrite the visual identity of the game, what's here looks great and there are noticeable leaps over the last-generation games.
"
it still very much looks like the prior games artistically, but once you actually get in there and look closely, it becomes clear that they've taken this design and pushed out detail across the board."

 

[Certinty]

The only difference between the 30fps and 40fps modes is that the resolution drops more on 40fps?

 

[GymWolf]

One thing Forbidden West does better is the level of geometry details thanks to the incredible vegetation system. This is where the game can be more impressive if you appreciate how expensive vegetation is for a hardware to run at this level. But SM2 is better in all others (technical) aspects IMO.

Average character rendering is way better in hfw.

You can pick an npc with one line of dialogue and it is gonna be as detailed if not more detailed than sp2 protagonists.

A lot of human models in sp2 are not nextgen looking in the slightest, and before you answer to what i said, go take a look at the models in death stranding, tlou2 or detroit become human (not to mention third party games)

 

[blastprocessor]

Imagine what those mad lads could do with a PS5 Pro and its extra horsepower

Spider-Man could potentially fly at Mach 1.

 

[Physiognomonics]

Spider-Man could potentially fly at Mach 1.

I mean. Isn't the camera already flying at or near Mach 1 in the gif I posted earlier? Please someone calculate the speed of that!

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Average character rendering is way better in hfw.

You can pick an npc with one line of dialogue and it is gonna be as detailed if not more detailed than sp2 protagonists.

A lot of human models in sp2 are not nextgen looking in the slightest, and before you answer to what i said, go take a look at the models in death stranding, tlou2 or detroit become human (not to mention third party games)

Eh, Spider-Man 2's get the job done and have some of the best hair rendering of any characters this gen. But, this is, again, silly. These are apples to peanuts comparisons, because each game focuses their strengths in different areas, and unless you're strictly comparing Spider-Man 2 to other open world games of its ilk, this isn't going to make much sense. Not a single game you mentioned has raytracing on 100%, for example. Most of them don't have a world anywhere close to as large as Spider-Man 2's, and don't have the npc/traffic density. These are all things that have to be considered.

So, while I agree that we can't say Spider-Man 2 is better than Forbidden West in "all other aspects", it definitely has its advantages over it when judging open world vs open world.

 

[jroc74]

Insomniac making good on that early PS5 tech demo.

Yup.

Between Rift Apart and Spider-Man 2....they really are showing off what the PS5 can do.

 

[GymWolf]

Eh, Spider-Man 2's get the job done and have some of the best hair rendering of any characters this gen. But, this is, again, silly. These are apples to peanuts comparisons, because each game focuses their strengths in different areas, and unless you're strictly comparing Spider-Man 2 to other open world games of its ilk, this isn't going to make much sense. Not a single game you mentioned has raytracing on 100%, for example. Most of them don't have a world anywhere close to as large as Spider-Man 2's, and don't have the npc/traffic density. These are all things that have to be considered.

So, while I agree that we can't say Spider-Man 2 is better than Forbidden West in "all other aspects", it definitely has its advantages over it when judging open world vs open world.

You were the one who said that sp2 does everything better than hfw except foliage or whatever it was, i'm just pointing how models are also way better.

Hair rendering doesn't even look as good as fifa hair tech from a couple of years ago, you may want to look at some gifs from those games to see what i'm talking about, frostbite hair tech is still king.

I give slightly more merit to hfw for looking basically as impressive as sp2 (one win for some aspects, the other win in others) while being 2 years older AND crossgen.

Horizon 3 nextgen only is gonna melt brains.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

You were the one who said that sp2 does everything better than hfw except foliage or whatever it was, i'm just pointing how models are also way better.

Hair rendering doesn't even look as good as fifa hair tech from a couple of years ago, you may want to look at some gifs from those games to see what i'm talking about, frostbite hair tech is still king.

I give slightly more merit to hfw for looking basically as impressive as sp2 (one win for some aspects, the other win in others) while being 2 years older AND crossgen.

Horizon 3 nextgen only is gonna melt brains.

I did not say that. Physiognomonics did. I agreed with his assessment of geometry detail and vegetation.

In any case, the Frostbite stuff is irrelevant, because I didn't say Spider-Man 2's hair was the best. I said it does it better than a lot of the games you mentioned.

 

[Toots]

Best rendered female and ass overall still goes to Chloe Frazier

plus she can do yoga

 

[SlimySnake]

plus she can do yoga

in uncharted 2. In uncharted Lost Legacy they made her ugly and gave her mom genes and a fat ass.

Peter Parker's Spider-Man has the best rendered male ass in gaming history. Best rendered female and ass overall still goes to Chloe Frazier in Uncharted 2 with Catwoman in Arkham City as a runner-up.

 

[GymWolf]

I did not say that. Physiognomonics did. I agreed with his assessment of geometry detail and vegetation.

In any case, the Frostbite stuff is irrelevant, because I didn't say Spider-Man 2's hair was the best. I said it does it better than a lot of the games you mentioned.

Lol sorry, the quotes got mixed, my bad

 

[Riky]

Spoiler free comparisons.

 

[Skifi28]

Gonna be hard for me to pick between 30 and 60….

Think I may go 30

40fps sounds like the mode for you.

 

[Gaiff]

in uncharted 2. In uncharted Lost Legacy they made her ugly and gave her mom genes and a fat ass.

Eh, looks good at times but it's inconsistent in terms of modeling and animation. Probably a top 10 spot though.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Lol sorry, the quotes got mixed, my bad

All good. This place moves a mile a minute!

 

[HeWhoWalks]

in uncharted 2. In uncharted Lost Legacy they made her ugly and gave her mom genes and a fat ass.

Google "mom jeans". That's definitely not what she's wearing.

 

[GymWolf]

All good. This place moves a mile a minute!

No i probably fucked up the edit

 

[Caio]

I watched the video, the Game looks fantastic, a massive improvements over the previous games. I don't have a PS5 yet, I'll buy the PRO on Day one, so I have to wait a bit, sadly. I'm happy it's receiving great reviews, I'm happy it looks beautiful, and I hope they will do a great job for the PRO model

 

[poodaddy]

I wonder how many inches the Wolverine statue is gonna be when the special edition is announced?

Cuz I'll be ready goddammit.

I'll be ready.

 

[diffusionx]

I remember playing SM2018 on my PS4 Pro, I thought the game looked amazing, very sharp, excellent IQ, consistent performance, huge world, and then the 2020 remaster/MM still looked excellent. Then this comes out and just blows it away. Very impressive.

Insomniac solved the "ray tracing reflections running at 60fps on a big open-world with incredible fast travel" problem on consoles. No other studios come close. At this point they could make money on selling their engine to others instead of using badly optimized UE5 engine.

Not to be akshully guy because they're never going to do it, but UE is what it is in part because it has to be all things to all people. Their engine is crafted to what they need and their own staff, selling it is a distraction.