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[PixelatedBeast]

Even 'PlayStation' John is having a hard time selling it. You're not seeing a massive improvement in this title

Insonmiac already has the best raytracing implementation on consoles, so the Ps5 Pro just make it even better. It has all the raytracing features you expect now in a AAA game, plus it has improved visual quality and performance.

 

[XXL]

no i bought for full price to play on inferior hardware like an idiot.

Most PCs are weaker than a base PS5.

You probably have a 2070.

 

[Lokaum D+]

$2000 GPU

 

[XXL]

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

A recent study looks at the potential impact of gaming and finds that PlayStation gamers ended up earning more than PC or Xbox, among other things.

gamerant.com

 

[diffusionx]

Conspicuous consumption is not necessarily a sign of wealth.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

John assumed the settings on Spider-man and Miles were the same, but they only have 2 options and no control over other elements. Miles still looks great from what I played.

 

[PandaOk]

I love PC. It's great for playing smaller indie games made by 3 people.

It really is a perfect budget platform. 99.5% of all PC games are designed to run on potatoes and you get all 90% of all the extras too.

 

[Zathalus]

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

A recent study looks at the potential impact of gaming and finds that PlayStation gamers ended up earning more than PC or Xbox, among other things.

gamerant.com

The study doesn’t actually say anything of the sort.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Ikr, Ya boy's starting to lose it.

I mean, just reads like every single Pro thread from the PCMR's that hop around like a bunch of pogo sticks in them.

Everything will be okay.

 

[Rush2112]

GAF front page: spiderman 2, horizon, TLOU, Veilguard, GoW2 on repeat. Please don’t become reddit.

 

[RoboFu]

Most PCs are weaker than a base PS5.

You probably have a 2070.

2070 is faster than base ps5 equivalent 5700xt

 

[twilo99]

GAF front page: spiderman 2, horizon, TLOU, Veilguard, GoW2 on repeat. Please don’t become reddit.

If you mean don't become an echo chamber it's a bit late but I think there is some hope still

 

[HeWhoWalks]

If you mean don't become an echo chamber it's a bit late but I think there is some hope still

No. Era is an echo chamber. This place allows differing views without fear of a ban.

Often times, folks being banned deserved it.

 

[Kangx]

Stop compare to pc which will invite more discourse in this thread. Make this about consoles.

Compare it to the ps5, basically if you have an 120hz VRR TV which most pro owners likely do, then you can enjoy a smooth like experience with the best possible setting.

 

[Dunker99]

The performance mode is much improved, it’s doing better fidelity than the original 30fps mode

Has it been confirmed somewhere that the Performance Pro mode is the old quality mode but at 60fps+? Because everything I’ve seen and read suggests it’s basically the same ps5 performance mode, just using PSSR instead of FSR.

 

[DeepEnigma]

If you mean don't become an echo chamber it's a bit late but I think there is some hope still

Explain.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Has it been confirmed somewhere that the Performance Pro mode is the old quality mode but at 60fps+? Because everything I’ve seen and read suggests it’s basically the same ps5 performance mode, just using PSSR instead of FSR.

There’s some nuance here

It is the old performance mode but using PSSR to upscale, which can make the overall image look better than the quality mode in terms of resolution, but you may have less pedestrians, etc

 

[twilo99]

Explain.

When over 80% of the members are PlayStation users, it's natural for things to lean in that direction; however, the moderators strive to remain neutral and not facilitate this bias too much... still work to be done tho, IMO.

 

[Team Andromeda]

Insonmiac already has the best raytracing implementation on consoles, so the Ps5 Pro just make it even better. It has all the raytracing features you expect now in a AAA game, plus it has improved visual quality and performance.

I would say id has with Doom Eternal and I'm not seeing 700 quid worth of difference in Spiderman 2 on the Pro

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

I would say id has with Doom Eternal and I'm not seeing 700 quid worth of difference in Spiderman 2 on the Pro

The 250 dollar difference is that your library looks better across the board going forward

Nobody is buying a ps5 pro for one game

 

[GHG]

So no "image stability issues" that the OP claims in this thread? :

PSSR IQ issues

Now that I've had time to test a few PRO patched games, I have to admit the PSSR resolved image has quite a lot of negatives on top of all the positives like sharper image with more visible detail. I play with a 83" LG C1 with about 3m viewing distance, so the screen is large, but still - I...

www.neogaf.com

In fact they state the image stability is improved over the base PS5.

When over 80% of the members are PlayStation users, it's natural for things to lean in that direction; however, the moderators strive to remain neutral and not facilitate this bias too much... still work to be done tho, IMO.

What the hell is this? Why should things be forced to be "neutral" when in reality things don't swing that way?

Stop having constant tantrums because the majority don't give a shit about the platform you're forced to stan for on a regular basis.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

What the hell is this? Why should things be forced to be "neutral" when in reality things don't swing that way?

 

[GHG]

So same performance and resolution in both modes, performance mode at 1440p with PSSR and quality mode with a couple of slight raytracing improvements but capped at 30 fps.

$699... yikes!

What resolution do you think DLSS quality renders from?

Do you say "yikes" when people are spending equal amounts or more on the GPU alone and then play games using DLSS quality in order to hit 60fps at 4k resolution?

What is it about the PS5 pro that's causing some of you to behave in such an irrationally insecure way like this?

 

[Team Andromeda]

The 250 dollar difference is that your library looks better across the board going forward

Nobody is buying a ps5 pro for one game

Mr Playstaion. The asking price is £700.

 

[Dunker99]

There’s some nuance here

It is the old performance mode but using PSSR to upscale, which can make the overall image look better than the quality mode in terms of resolution, but you may have less pedestrians, etc

Ah ok, thanks. A pretty disappointing upgrade then, from my point of view. Unless you’re ok with playing sub 60fps.

I played Miles Morales on the og PS5 at a really high framerate (70+ maybe?), using the performance RT mode. And now the Pro can only do 60-70fps (with any RT at all?)? I haven’t played SM2 but is it really that much better looking to explain the downgrade in performance using a more powerful console?

(To be clear - I’m not being anti-Pro - I’ve bought one! I’m just a bit disappointed, and am trying to understand)

 

[DenchDeckard]

What resolution do you think DLSS quality renders from?

Do you say "yikes" when people are spending equal amounts or more on the GPU alone and then play games using DLSS quality in order to hit 60fps at 4k resolution?

What is it about the PS5 pro that's causing some of you to behave in such an irrationally insecure way like this?

Have you bought a ps5 pro? Why are you defending it and upset if someone isn't impressed with its performance on this title?

 

[GHG]

Have you bought a ps5 pro? Why are you defending it and upset if someone isn't impressed with its performance on this title?

Show me where I "defended" it?

I'll wait.

 

[DeepEnigma]

When over 80% of the members are PlayStation users, it's natural for things to lean in that direction; however, the moderators strive to remain neutral and not facilitate this bias too much... still work to be done tho, IMO.

What is it about the PS5 pro that's causing some of you to behave in such an irrationally insecure way like this?

It's bridging the gap in IQ making less noticeable differences to flex on.

 

[James Sawyer Ford]

Ah ok, thanks. A pretty disappointing upgrade then, from my point of view. Unless you’re ok with playing sub 60fps.

I played Miles Morales on the og PS5 at a really high framerate (70+ maybe?), using the performance RT mode. And now the Pro can only do 60-70fps (with any RT at all?)? I haven’t played SM2 but is it really that much better looking to explain the downgrade in performance using a more powerful console?

(To be clear - I’m not being anti-Pro - I’ve bought one! I’m just a bit disappointed, and am trying to understand)

I don’t see how it’s disappointing, you’re doubling the resolution at 60 fps

It’s a lot more clear and crisp

 

[DeepEnigma]

I don’t see how it’s disappointing, you’re doubling the resolution at 60 fps

It’s a lot more clear and crisp

It's only okay when the PC does it.

There would be less whining like little girls if MS had a mid-gen refresh as well.

 

[FrankWza]

basically if you have an 120hz VRR TV which most pro owners likely do

Everyone conveniently forgets this because hdmi to crt converters are always a best seller on Amazon.
So yellow goes into yellow and then can I switch white and red?

 

[owandeseis]

So no "image stability issues" that the OP claims in this thread? :

PSSR IQ issues

Now that I've had time to test a few PRO patched games, I have to admit the PSSR resolved image has quite a lot of negatives on top of all the positives like sharper image with more visible detail. I play with a 83" LG C1 with about 3m viewing distance, so the screen is large, but still - I...

www.neogaf.com

In fact they state the image stability is improved over the base PS5.

 

[Mibu no ookami]

Ah ok, thanks. A pretty disappointing upgrade then, from my point of view. Unless you’re ok with playing sub 60fps.

I played Miles Morales on the og PS5 at a really high framerate (70+ maybe?), using the performance RT mode. And now the Pro can only do 60-70fps (with any RT at all?)? I haven’t played SM2 but is it really that much better looking to explain the downgrade in performance using a more powerful console?

(To be clear - I’m not being anti-Pro - I’ve bought one! I’m just a bit disappointed, and am trying to understand)

This is an absolute lie.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Show me where I "defended" it?

I'll wait.

Just seems odd that you specifically say "what is it about the ps5 pro" but somehow ignore the first 15 posts of the thread. Starting at post 6

 

[GHG]

Just seems odd that you specifically say "what is it about the ps5 pro" but somehow ignore the first 15 posts of the thread. Starting at post 6

Well it's a valid question. There are more posts about PC in this thread than there are about the actual subject matter of this thread. And that's all while there isn't even a PC version of this game for a point of comparison yet.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Well it's a valid question. There are more posts about PC in this thread than there are about the actual subject matter of this thread. And that's all while there isn't even a PC version of this game for a point of comparison yet.

All could have been started by XXL attempting account suicide and bringing up ps5 in every thread. Or slating pc in every thread. He's on a mission lolol

 

[XXL]

All could have been started by XXL attempting account suicide and bringing up ps5 in every thread. Or slating pc in every thread. He's on a mission lolol

I'm just doing what people have been doing in every PS5 Pro thread.

 

[DeepEnigma]

I'm just doing what people have been doing in PS5 Pro threads.

These clowns only notice it when they feel impacted by it.

 

[XXL]

These clowns only notice it when they feel impacted by it.

Yeah, the reaction is hilarious.

Its super fucking annoying isn't it?

 

[XXL]

All could have been started by XXL attempting account suicide and bringing up ps5 in every thread. Or slating pc in every thread. He's on a mission lolol

You should love my posts since I'm just lying, being disingenuous and annoying.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

It's only okay when the PC does it.

There would be less whining like little girls if MS had a mid-gen refresh as well.

You know it. All we’d hear is how great it is, it’s “The Beast” (remember this one?) of consoles, etc. Which would be legitimate, if they hadn’t bounced into every Pro thread telling folks that it holds no value….. while having no issue dropping as many (if not much more) bones on a graphics card.

 

[adamsapple]

Yeah, the reaction is hilarious.

Its super fucking annoying isn't it?

Hey at least now we have the appropriate reaction gifs for both scenarios.

 

[Dunker99]

This is an absolute lie.

It’s been a while since I played it, so I’m happy to be corrected. No need to be so rude and blunt.

 

[drotahorror]

Most PCs are weaker than a base PS5.

You probably have a 2070.

Sir, this is a Wendy's.

 

[sachos]

Man i come here to discuss the video/game and the first page is already filled with PC vs Console warring...
Anyway, Digital Foundry are so good at showcasing the differences, they do it unlike anyone else. I really like this method of quick changing between modes without transitions so you get instant feedback on whats changed.
That first comparison of PSSR vs base PS5 not only shows its sharper it also shows a lot of moving artifacts on base PS5 while the PSSR one looks super clean.
Im dissapointed though that he did not do more testing vs the Base PS5 modes to really see how big the jump is. I wanted to see Unlocked PS5 Pro Fidelity vs Base Fidelity. Base Fidelity vs Pro Performance.
Seems like a quite rushed video in that sense.

 

[DanielG165]

Instead dealing with issues on PC, buy a PS5 Pro.

Buy PlayStation®5 Pro Console | PlayStation® (US) | See Price

With the PlayStation®5 Pro console, enjoy incredible features like advanced ray tracing, super sharp image clarity and high frame rate gameplay. PS5® Pro is an all-digital console with no disc drive. Discover the features, price, and more.

direct.playstation.com

I’m good lol. Happy that people here seem to be enjoying their Pro, but I’ll be keeping my $700-$800, thanks.

EDIT: As always though, for some reason, we always have people, or a person in this case, not letting things be. If you like the PS5 Pro and think it’s worth the asking price, wonderful, genuinely happy for you. However, its existence doesn’t suddenly mean that PCs are an exercise in pointlessness lol, that narrative always crops up when a new console releases.

I have my PC which is my main platform, but I also own an SX that sits beside it, a One X, a regular PS4, a Switch Lite, and a Steam Deck. Consoles are great, genuinely wonderful pieces of technology for the masses to enjoy their virtual toys with. PCs will just… Always be on top of the stack, or at least for the foreseeable future. That’s not me being an elitist, or bragging or talking down on consoles; that is just the nature of what kind of machines we’re dealing with. And, that’s okay, like PCs don’t make consoles inherently irrelevant either, especially when said consoles are literally just specialized, closed down PCs these days anyway lol.

Like, people literally fight over which PC is better than the other at this point; they’re ALL good, guys. A group of them are just specialized/designed to play games as their primary focus. Just enjoy the games, man, and the tech that’s behind them; it’s not that serious. It’s goofy that “warring” is still a thing.

 

[pasterpl]

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

Study Says PlayStation Gamers Earn More Money Than Those on PC and Xbox

A recent study looks at the potential impact of gaming and finds that PlayStation gamers ended up earning more than PC or Xbox, among other things.

gamerant.com

So there is no explanation why they choose to play lesser version of games. /s

 

[GHG]

Hey at least now we have the appropriate reaction gifs for both scenarios.

adamsapple whenever he thinks Phil is watching:

 

[adamsapple]

adamsapple whenever he thinks Phil is watching:

Phi is watching?

 

[Zathalus]

This is an absolute lie.

It’s not. Miles Morales had a 60fps performance RT mode. When the VRR update came out this mode could do over 60fps. 70-80fps was often the norm, sometime higher. The RT was cut down a bit and the resolution was 1440p-1080p DRS.