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00:00 - Overview
01:56 - Base PS5 Performance Re-Test on Patch 1.5
03:51 - PS5 Pro Speed Mode Tests
09:16 - PS5 Pro Quality Mode Tests
11:11 - Verdict

As one of the year's surprise hits, Space Marine 2 receives a PS5 Pro upgrade that attempts to address two key issues with the base PS5 game: its performance at 60fps, and its image quality in that very same mode. The turnout for Pro hardware owners is a pleasing one overall - especially with PSSR in place to assist matters - but there is still a performance gap in locking down a solid 60fps.

Space Marine 2 on PS5 Pro: a much-needed image quality and performance upgrade

Tom Morgan tests Warhammer 40K: Space Marine 2's PS5 Pro upgrade. Does the game solve its image quality and performance concerns, and what of PSSR?

www.eurogamer.net

Analysis notes from adamsapple :

- "One of the more worthwhile upgrades"
- PSSR used in both Quality and Speed (performance) mode
- Quality: Native 1080p to 2160p DRS with PSSR
- Speed: Native 1080p to 1440p DRS with PSR

Revisiting OG:
- Base PS5: 30 FPS always ran good but Speed mode was 35~60fps, further patches have improved it 5~10 FPS compared to launch.
- VRR still slips below the 48fps range, and stress areas (flame thrower) still drops to mid 30's.
- SX still runs better than base PS5 with both on latest patches.

PS5 Pro:
- Visual settings are all the same as base PS5 (texture quality, draw distance, foliage etc)
- PSSR helps improve IQ with crisper outlines compared to blurry resolve on base PS5
- Downside is that it can look over sharpened sometimes, especially on grass.

- Performance is closer to 60fps and an improvement over base PS5, up to ~5 to ~10 fps advantage over base PS5
- Still has lurches to ~45 fps. More often at 60fps than base PS5 and more palatable for VRR displays
- The same flame thrower fight drops to 40~, where base PS5 drops to mid 30's.
- PS5 Pro can and SX are trading frame rate with SX being a few frames faster in some scenes and PS5 Pro being faster in some battles.

- Quality mode
- Base was already crisp and clear, so PSSR's improvement is a less notable upgrade than Speed mode
- Still runs at 30fps without any drops ala base PS5, even in the flamethrower segment.

Verdict:
- IQ improvements in speed mode are the most notable improvement
- VRR owners will gain the most advantage despite some moments still dropping below threshold
- DF thinks a 40fps mode would be great here.

 

[mansoor1980]

cutscene frame drops dont make any sense
40 fps mode is needed
overall a superb patch

 

[bundylove]

What did i say.
The pro is worth a buy in 6 months once devs start to use it propper

 

[adamsapple]

- "One of the more worthwhile upgrades"
- PSSR used in both Quality and Speed (performance) mode
- Quality: Native 1080p to 2160p DRS with PSSR
- Speed: Native 1080p to 1440p DRS with PSR

Revisiting OG:
- Base PS5: 30 FPS always ran good but Speed mode was 35~60fps, further patches have improved it 5~10 FPS compared to launch.
- VRR still slips below the 48fps range, and stress areas (flame thrower) still drops to mid 30's.
- SX still runs better than base PS5 with both on latest patches.

PS5 Pro:
- Visual settings are all the same as base PS5 (texture quality, draw distance, foliage etc)
- PSSR helps improve IQ with crisper outlines compared to blurry resolve on base PS5
- Downside is that it can look over sharpened sometimes, especially on grass.

- Performance is closer to 60fps and an improvement over base PS5, up to ~5 to ~10 fps advantage over base PS5
- Still has lurches to ~45 fps. More often at 60fps than base PS5 and more palatable for VRR displays
- The same flame thrower fight drops to 40~, where base PS5 drops to mid 30's.
- PS5 Pro can and SX are trading frame rate with SX being a few frames faster in some scenes and PS5 Pro being faster in some battles.

- Quality mode
- Base was already crisp and clear, so PSSR's improvement is a less notable upgrade than Speed mode
- Still runs at 30fps without any drops ala base PS5, even in the flamethrower segment.

Verdict:
- IQ improvements in speed mode are the most notable improvement
- VRR owners will gain the most advantage despite some moments still dropping below threshold
- DF thinks a 40fps mode would be great here.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Another PSSR success?

So is it a hardware issue or a developer one?

 

[mansoor1980]

- "One of the more worthwhile upgrades"
- PSSR used in both Quality and Speed (performance) mode
- Quality: Native 1080p to 2160p DRS with PSSR
- Speed: Native 1080p to 1440p DRS with PSR

Revisiting OG:
- Base PS5: 30 FPS always ran good but Speed mode was 35~60fps, further patches have improved it 5~10 FPS compared to launch.
- VRR still slips below the 48fps range, and stress areas (flame thrower) still drops to mid 30's.
- SX still runs better than base PS5 with both on latest patches.

PS5 Pro:
- Visual settings are all the same as base PS5 (texture quality, draw distance, foliage etc)
- PSSR helps improve IQ with crisper outlines compared to blurry resolve on base PS5
- Downside is that it can look over sharpened sometimes, especially on grass.

- Performance is closer to 60fps and an improvement over base PS5, up to ~5 to ~10 fps advantage over base PS5
- Still has lurches to ~45 fps. More often at 60fps than base PS5 and more palatable for VRR displays
- The same flame thrower fight drops to 40~, where base PS5 drops to mid 30's.
- PS5 Pro can and SX are trading frame rate with SX being a few frames faster in some scenes and PS5 Pro being faster in some battles.

- Quality mode
- Base was already crisp and clear, so PSSR's improvement is a less notable upgrade than Speed mode
- Still runs at 30fps without any drops ala base PS5, even in the flamethrower segment.

Verdict:
- IQ improvements in speed more are the most notable improvement
- VRR owners will gain the most advantage despite some moments still dropping below threshold
- DF thinks a 40fps mode would be great here.

only in cutscenes

 

[Xtib81]

'Visual settings are all the same as base PS5'

=> That's a bummer. So,we're getting slightly better IQ and performance. I wouldn't call it a win.

 

[Skifi28]

'Visual settings are all the same as base PS5'

=> That's a bummer. So,we're getting slightly better IQ and performance. I wouldn't call it a win.

The difference in image quality is like putting on glasses, I wouldn't call it "slightly" better.

 

[Horseganador]

The difference in image quality in favor of PS5 pro is massive, quite evident, a good implementation of PSSR by the developers that will improve over time.

 

[Luipadre]

'Visual settings are all the same as base PS5'

=> That's a bummer. So,we're getting slightly better IQ and performance. I wouldn't call it a win.

More like much better IQ, game is a blurry mess in speed mode on base model and the swarm looks disgusting in motion with FSR

 

[adamsapple]

So is it a hardware issue or a developer one?

This doesn't have any RT on the console version, games without RT have mostly been good up-scales (Stella, Rebirth etc).

only in cutscenes

The clip they showed looked like they both go up and down similarly, maybe Pro is better on average but they look like they're trading blows.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

'Visual settings are all the same as base PS5'

=> That's a bummer. So,we're getting slightly better IQ and performance. I wouldn't call it a win.

Clearly haven't played it and it shows. It's a Rebirth level quality increase. Massive win.

 

[DeepEnigma]

This doesn't have any RT on the console version, games without RT have mostly been good up-scales (Stella, Rebirth etc).

I am not talking about RT. I am talking about another PSSR success done proper.

I was being cheeky.

And the left looks like Vaseline filtering compared to the right.

 

[Nankatsu]

What did i say.
The pro is worth a buy in 6 months once devs start to use it propper

And when it's cheaper and bundled up with a drive.

 

[mansoor1980]

This doesn't have any RT on the console version, games without RT have mostly been good up-scales (Stella, Rebirth etc).





The clip they showed looked like they both go up and down similarly, maybe Pro is better on average but they look like they're trading blows.

 

[SweetTooth]

only in cutscenes

Adamsapple sneaking misinformation

Edit: I expect nothing less from most powerful console on earth when used properly.

 

[Caio]

So is it a hardware issue or a developer one?

Most likely, if you had watched and listened to Mark Cerny’s nearly 40-minute official presentation on the PS5 Pro, you wouldn’t be asking this question.
I believe it takes more time, effort, resources, and experience to develop on the PS5 Pro to truly see its benefits. Wouldn’t you agree ?

 

[DeepEnigma]

Most likely, if you had watched and listened to Mark Cerny’s nearly 40-minute official presentation on the PS5 Pro, you wouldn’t be asking this question.
I believe it takes more time, effort, resources, and experience to develop on the PS5 Pro to truly see its benefits. Wouldn’t you agree ?

Agreed.

Spoiler

My comment was a backhanded comment towards those who take less than a handful of games as the thesis for bashing the Pro, the same games that struggled with their PC versions as well with ML options out of the gate. I was poking fun at those disingenuously insecure people. Edited original post for more clarity.

 

[diffusionx]

What did i say.
The pro is worth a buy in 6 months once devs start to use it propper

it's worth a buy now, if games you want to play are enhanced.

Console came out six weeks ago and this new round of third party games is massively better than the ones it launched with, and the Sony games are really good with it.

 

[adamsapple]

- PS5 Pro can and SX are trading frame rate with SX being a few frames faster in some scenes and PS5 Pro being faster in some battles.

And I showed you an example of the frame rate flip flopping during the combat segment as well.

 

[yogaflame]

What did i say.
The pro is worth a buy in 6 months once devs start to use it propper

That is why I plan to purchase ps5 pro next year. I'm sure that development tools are better and PSSR ML more mature. And next year there will be bunch of great games that I'm sure will be build with ps5 pro in mind like GOY, DS2, MHW, Wolverine, etc.

 

[mansoor1980]

And I showed you an example of the frame rate flip flopping during the combat segment as well.

 

[Physiognomonics]

The difference in motion vs FSR is even bigger than FF7 Rebirth IMO. it's really PSSR strength, and even beat DLSS in some scenes as seen in Ratchet.

 

[TrebleShot]

Yeah this is actually one of the really good implementations of PSSR its close to not even to the DLSS version on PC.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Another one!

Looking forward to watching this at home. I'm just about to start this on pc so it will be good to see how the consoles stack up.

 

[TrebleShot]

Yo I am watching the video and -whilst I have it and tried it, when you see side by side it is transformative.

Its on the same level as Rebirth.

 

[sachos]

Daaamn, i watched it in 4K at perfect distance to my 4K tv and the difference is staggering, aproaching FF7RR levels of IQ difference.
Too bad the performance is still so uneven, Cerny talked about wanting PSSR to cost 1ms in his tech talk, i wonder if they can eventually reach that goal.

 

[King Dazzar]

Fidelity increase with PSSR here is massive. Shame the performance is still pretty ropey. And as a side issue I have, where is my HDR. Still, great example of PSSR, especially considering its doing it from a 1080p base.

 

[King Dazzar]

Yo I am watching the video and -whilst I have it and tried it, when you see side by side it is transformative.

Its on the same level as Rebirth.

Yeah he mentions it being as transformative as Rebirth.

 

[TrebleShot]

Yeah he mentions it being as transformative as Rebirth.

Yeah definitely, Ive played mostly the co-op and didnt see any performance issues, so maybe its in very taxing scenes with alot of effects. I know on PC those scenes dip as well.

 

[DeepEnigma]

Damn, PSSR having great results and this threads activity is as dryer than a prostitute at a LAN party.

 

[mrcroket]

It's funny how they've lowered expectations and adapted the argument. Now, if it has better image quality (without any graphical improvements) and gets a few fps more, but still dropping frames, is a good result ... for almost twice the price.

The copium is strong here

 

[DenchDeckard]

Image quality looks so much better!
Series X doing an awesome job with performance but is so blurry compared to the pro.

 

[Elios83]

Damn, PSSR having great results and this threads activity is as dryer than a prostitute at a LAN party.

It happens everytime there is a good update.
It's not what some people want to see
Now that the patching period is over and developers will start releasing games that have been co-developed with the Pro for a long time, this will be the standard

 

[adamsapple]

Damn, PSSR having great results and this threads activity is as dryer than a prostitute at a LAN party.

You need to find better LAN parties my man

 

[Mr Moose]

It's funny how they've lowered expectations and adapted the argument. Now, if it has better image quality (without any graphical improvements) and gets a few fps more, but still dropping frames, is a good result ... for almost twice the price.

The copium is strong here

What? The whole point is it looking and running better.

 

[yogaflame]

Damn, PSSR having great results and this threads activity is as dryer than a prostitute at a LAN party.

Maybe they are more active in the Silent hill 2 remake thread?

 

[King Dazzar]

You need to find better LAN parties my man

And where are their eyes focused...

 

[adamsapple]

And where are their eyes focused...

This guy knows what's up.

 

[King Dazzar]

This guy knows what's up.

Giving it the DF zoom treatment.

 

[mrcroket]

What? The whole point is it looking and running better.

Of course it is, how much is relevant too though, but hey if this improvement justifies for you paying $699 good for you.

 

[mansoor1980]

from the DF eurogamer article

"A frame-rate comparison to Series X also shows mixed fortunes. With each console updated to patch 1.5, Series X still has a 5fps advantage over PS5 Pro during the opening cutscene, though the result tends to favour PS5 Pro as we make the same run into the battlefield. Overall, the speed mode clearly benefits from Sony's new hardware: it's smoother in its overall frame-rate, and with a sharper image to boot, but it does have a few rough spots still to address"

 

[King Dazzar]

Of course it is, how much is relevant too though, but hey if this improvement justifies for you paying $699 good for you.

What fidelity increase were you hoping to see? This is pretty substantial.

 

[sncvsrtoip]

Nice upgrade and good to see devs increased internal res while using pssr

 

[Zacfoldor]

When the patch first dropped, they started the fud on here. Wasn't long ago. I told I guy I didn't believe their down and out bullshit about this patch and wouldn't believe anyone until DF came out.

Then I abandoned that thread, and now here we are.

Okay fellas, anybody wanna talk that fake shit about the patch now? I feel sorry for yall, lol. Feels good man.

 

[TehGoomba7s]

Of course it is, how much is relevant too though, but hey if this improvement justifies for you paying $699 good for you.

You should have to wear an "I am retarded" banner at all times.

 

[DenchDeckard]

Good to see the two mid gen refresh consoles going toe to toe!

 

[SweetTooth]

Damn, PSSR having great results and this threads activity is as dryer than a prostitute at a LAN party.

Its because the usual suspects has nothing to make a mountain out of

 

[SEGAvangelist]

I wonder how much just upscaling from 1080p to 1440p instead of 4K helps with PSSR results.

 

[rickybooby87]

I mean, it was only a matter of time. Did people really think that 300 TOPS of AI performance with access to 200TB/s of RAM wouldn't yield dividends? PSSR haters are crashing out as we speak.