Not that enticing, just like the Pro
They're aimed at enthusiasts
The PS4 Slim and Xbox One S will remain the consoles most people buy
Digital Foundry: Xbox Scorpio
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Not that enticing, just like the Pro
They're aimed at enthusiasts
The PS4 Slim and Xbox One S will remain the consoles most people buy
CaptainCook
Member
I'm in, and reveling the specs like this before anything else was a good idea.
Scorpio doesn't have HDMI 2.1 so there is no question.
The Futurist
Member
The amount of people in this thread that keep harping on about PC gaming is ridiculous.
Do you people really not understand?
Do you people really not understand?
Aztechnology
Member
They built a PC version and you're crazy if you don't think that will be the "Best" version from a performance capability standpoint. There's no reason they won't use it to tune a Scorpio version.
With that being said...
I hope we get an announcement about Xbox and PC crossplay though. That would set me over the edge to get the game on PC instead of PS4.
Samurai G0SU
Member
the video on the webpage is from last year's e3. orrr is there a new video i missed while on the page?
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Obliterator
Member
Yep. I really do not understand how people aren't getting this still.
Neither the Pro nor Scorpio are designed with the average Joe in mind. Just like high end OLED TV sets aren't designed for your average Joe buying his TV at Wal-Mart
jfoul
Member
Flawless setup. You're playing your future self so hard.
gundamkyoukai
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You do know there is a PC version of Destiny 2 right .
Any company that want to show off the best version of there game will use PC .
Of course Destiny 2 should look better on Scorpio just question of how much .
I'm a bit nervous about this actually. We know that XB1/PS4 are the baseline for the remainder of the generation. That makes it hard to believe that Bungie/other devs are going to spend a lot of time retooling the engine to run at 60fps. I'm hoping I'm wrong, but it sounds like Pro and Scorpio owners are going to get a prettier version of the same game, with no earth shattering improvements.
I keep forgetting about Game Pass. IMO, that's a bigger announcement than Scorpio. The power doesn't impress me, the unique platform benefits do. Switch being portable, Game Pass giving a nice casual games as a service thing. That sells to me.
If Game Pass takes off, they NEED to go Netflix about it all and start offering their own titles. All it takes is Sony to start on that path and the library starts to look unsupported.
not sure what you are expecting to see differently on your 4k tv from its compeditor the PS4 pro.
it will be the same game with the same graphical settings. one uses checkerboard and the other native while the difference def wont bee seen on a TV
Aztechnology
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What do you mean do we not understand? Of course we understand. Just looking at it in reality it's not quite as much of an improvement on multiple fronts as expected. The value proposition compared to building a solid PC with all the benefits that brings isn't as impressive as many hoped. It's still really impressive, especially the VRAM. But for many that doesn't matter as much as Microsoft is essentially competing with themselves now in some ways.
Especially since there's been very few exclusives. So there's even less reason to own a console versus an open platform.
Samurai G0SU
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right, the poster said the company will not do anything more for the scorpio version vs the pro version ...[edit] because of promo rights bought by sony
The Wraith
Member
All I know is Halo 5 better get a fucking 4k patch day one. I'm all the fuck in if that happens.
2blackcats
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Any reason you think xbox would be cross play with pc and not ps4 or both?
Imagine if we could all play together. I think they'll keep them separate though.
With the vapor chamber liquid cooling, it very well might be.
Jaguar Victory
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Forza 6 is not 3 years old. That screengrab looks just phenomenal. I'm not sure if you've seen 4k60 but it's amazing. Ledbetter can't be impressed our excited about this? Odd take. He was impressed by the amount of custom work MS put into this bespoke console.
Samurai G0SU
Member
good.
Papacheeks
Banned
The big comparison will be how a game stacks on scorpio compared to it's pc counter part. And in Destiny's case since their heritage is PC based you wonder how well it will b e optimized for both?
Especially when you look Dishonored on PRO, it still ran somewhat shit on the highest PC hardware.
Scaling third party games on Scorpio will be the real test especially if any of the dx12 stuff holds weight performance wise.
What the hell are you talking about ? It's the same TF number that Microsoft confirmed . DF confirmed how easily it was to get a game running at 4k 60 ultra on it . Did you just ignore everything they say.
Aztechnology
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You say that as a blanket statement which is very much not the case.
Also far too many people peg something as a bad port because they have no understanding of performance metrics. They think I have a PC with a decent GPU and a more powerful CPU therefore even though the Tflops on my GPU are about the same as a PS4 I should be able to play everything high/ultra at 60fps. When in reality they're going to be seeing near PS4 performance on a rig like that.
Your statement and many complaints often stem from misconceptions. PC players also aren't as "smart" or "tech savvy" as they would like to believe. Many of them don't engage in any of that critical thinking and are easily upset and complain when something doesn't run like magic.
I am very much hoping it does. It certainly seems like a no-brainer.
LukasTaves
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DF did mentioned that both the audio block on Scorpio and Xbone were receiving firm upgrades to deal with the audio in VR/AR, basically reducing the need of a box like they did on Ps4.
wesleyshark
Banned
Scorpio version will look and hit performance targets better than the Pro. The PC version will outclass both.
Aztechnology
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I would love love love that. I don't even think we'll get crossplay between Xbox and PC though.
Given that Sont is doing long term exclusive content again I think that's pretty much a confirmation of that not happening too.
Many of us are not PC gamers, nor do we care for becoming one. The power on offer with the optimization here is beyond impressive, especially for a console. I'll stick with what I love, thanks.
silver moose
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Those specs have grabbed my interest.
Depending on pricing I can see myself trading in and up for this. Well done MS.
Depending on pricing I can see myself trading in and up for this. Well done MS.
hope.
Anyone wanna take a stab at a release date? Phil himself has said they are father along than anyone other console he's been apart of and Digital Foundry said it feels like its 6 months away from release at this point. That would put us at a late September or October launch.
I'm still gonna say November just because I think the extra development time will lead to more games supporting Scorpio at launch which will be important. Another part thinks that MS would really like to get this console out on shelves ahead of RD2 or even Destiny 2 if given the opportunity. Maybe around Madden 18 or FIFA 18. Sports games are good console show pieces plus with those titles moving to Frostbite I bet they'll be able to take advantage of some of the DX12 features Scorpio has baked in.
I'm still gonna say November just because I think the extra development time will lead to more games supporting Scorpio at launch which will be important. Another part thinks that MS would really like to get this console out on shelves ahead of RD2 or even Destiny 2 if given the opportunity. Maybe around Madden 18 or FIFA 18. Sports games are good console show pieces plus with those titles moving to Frostbite I bet they'll be able to take advantage of some of the DX12 features Scorpio has baked in.
Your ability to grasp of how any of this works is in direct competition for your ability to spell and use proper punctuation.
Papacheeks
Banned
I wonder what changes MCC will have on scorpio. You wonder if those can be played native 4k and if frame rates are smoothed out by it.
Maintenance
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?? That guy from digital foundry that posts here said otherwise.
wesleyshark
Banned
I wonder, did you watch the video and read the articles? What was revealed today is more powerful than what was expected.
There's a lot of amazing tech at play here.
Pathfinder
Member
I'm super psyched about this. I just hope they can set it at $399.
Specs wise for a console this seems pretty decent, but it doesn't seem like the monster some were claiming it would be? At least to me. Feels like a Pro 1.5.
Regardless it's a huge boost over base Xbox One, which is a vast improvement. Though if you've been content where you are now I can't imagine seeing an average user jumping in.
Regardless it's a huge boost over base Xbox One, which is a vast improvement. Though if you've been content where you are now I can't imagine seeing an average user jumping in.
Interficium
Banned
People talking about MS moneyhatting Scorpio patches and high res texture packs for 3rd party AAA this fall but from everything I've heard they haven't even delivered the SDK or devkits yet...
Fahzgoolin
Banned
As a pc gamer, this gives me a great way to keep playing with friends and family with a less compromised experience.
A lot of people forget that cross play with titles is not guarantee with the "play anywhere" initiative...especially with 3rd party games.
A lot of people forget that cross play with titles is not guarantee with the "play anywhere" initiative...especially with 3rd party games.
anothertech
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They made a 1.3 tf machine play and look the same on a 1.8tf machine. Same difference. But this time the 40% lower spec has marketing rights. I can see it happening. Yup.
The 50% reduction in CPU time for setting draw calls and what not, is nothing too shabby, but I believe GPU drive gfx pipelines that give back almost half of required CPU time are already possible on PS4 and Xbox One, if I recall correctly, but it needs love and affection from the devs. Sebbbi did a presentation that had a benchmark on Xbox One that had 250K independently moving objects with just 0.2 milliseconds of a single core CPU time for setting up the single draw call required for the scene:
http://advances.realtimerendering.c...siggraph2015_combined_final_footer_220dpi.pdf
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Xbox Scorpio is a nice piece of hardware though. I just hope brute-force approach does not outweigh innovation because of incremental upgrades.
http://advances.realtimerendering.c...siggraph2015_combined_final_footer_220dpi.pdf
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Xbox Scorpio is a nice piece of hardware though. I just hope brute-force approach does not outweigh innovation because of incremental upgrades.
Papacheeks
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Slim to none since it's coming to PC as in it's own dedicated launcher like Battlenet, unless more info closer to launch indicates steam release which I doubt.
Samurai G0SU
Member
he also corrected himself too. just hdmi 2.0 - still confirming if freesync will be there. i havent searched his recent posts though, so it could have changed again lol
The Futurist
Member
Clearly you don't understand.
We've been over this countless times.
Millions of people do not and will never play games on PC. It's just not going to happen.
So when discussing new console hardware where games will look and perform better than the other console, it doesn't matter what is happening with the PC version.
People don't give a shit. You know how many of my friends ran out and built gaming PCs after seeing what games could look like in 4k running on my PC?
None.
The guy playing COD/Battlefield/Madden doesn't give a shit about PC gaming.
Yeah, he probably doesn't give a shit about these higher tier more expensive pro consoles, but there a much better chance of that dude getting one of these if he constantly hears that his games look and run better on them.
ATOMICJORGE
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Indeed it is thank you very much dude I will do my best
Yeah where are you from? I have seen tons of Xbox One S consoles around here
No. He corrected it and I'm still salty about it cause that shit was MONEY! HDMI 2.1 inclusion in a 2017 console would've been absolute sex.