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Disney Lost Approximately %50 of Value
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Crayon
Member
That looks like a portable sperm freezer. That might have been buzz's baby brother in there.
Kssio_Aug
Member
Good Lord... Some of you look for problems everywhere. I see ZERO issues with this scene, and it definitely won't hurt any child.
If you guys have kids, you need to understand that this type of scene is NOTHING compared to things they will hear and see in real life, many times when you're not in their company. But this particular scene has no real problem.
Hezekiah
Banned
Yeah definitely the kind of topic I can see being discussed at a pre-school...
They no business putting this nonsense in a show designed for little kids. I wonder how many kids are going to be impacted by this type of dysfunctional messaging.
sol_bad
Member
I have no idea what a trans flag shirt even is. And I've had to buy pads for my wife many times as well. If I was in that scenario I'd probably say "this is what my wife buys" instead of "I", the wording is strange but I don't see any issue with the clip at all.
I remember watching the Young Ones when I was a kid and an episode where they called a tampon a mousey. I had no idea wtf it was as a kid but still found it funny. I'm sure kids would just find this Betamax scenario funny as well.
Kssio_Aug
Member
My daughter loves watching Snow White and there are many things in there that I'm sure are not subject of discussion in pre-schools.
Actually most old cartoons were a lot heavier for a kid than those nowadays. And many of them also had jokes that weren't exactly appropriate for kids (many of them I just understood much later).
But again, I see nothing dysfunctional about it.
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Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Edit: misread.
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Heimdall_Xtreme
Hermen Hulst Fanclub's #1 Member
Nobody_Important
“Aww, it’s so...average,” she said to him in a cold brick of passion
Dr.Guru of Peru
played the long game
I get it, some of you don't like the way the world is changing. That's fine. But honestly, having a trans character (that your child probably wont even recognize) show up in a cartoon for 5 seconds is not going to destroy your precious offspring's childhood. They'll likely not hold the same views on these subjects as you will, but most likely they were going to have different views from you anyways.
Also, Disney's YTD stock performance is not an anomaly. The entire market is down. If this was about "going woke", then why is Tesla down ever more?
Also, Disney's YTD stock performance is not an anomaly. The entire market is down. If this was about "going woke", then why is Tesla down ever more?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Disney Is Paying Fans To Figure Out Why Star Wars Hotel Bombed
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theclaw135
Banned
Word. I hate "trope culture". Always looking for hidden references to this cliche or that agenda.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
Right. Most of the Looney Tunes I grew up with had a ton of sexual innuendo and dirty jokes in them. And Animaniacs is chock full of that stuff that went over the heads of all my little cousins.
Doom85
Member
Not to mention Captain Planet had an episode focused on a kid with AIDS. And they didn’t hold much back in discussing how one contracts it. And yet somehow the planet didn’t explode.
There was also a Rescue Rangers episode discussing cults of all things.
And in terms of adult jokes, it would be actually easier to list the cartoons that didn’t have them starting from the 90’s to today. When I rewatched the Justice League/JLU cartoon series, holy fuck did they imply so much sex and such, hell Hawkgirl flat out slaps Green Lantern on the ass (clothed, but still) and they show it fully (they do keep Orion slapping Wonder Woman’s ass off screen, but obviously that was likely due to it being sexual harassment since they weren’t in a relationship like GL/Hawkgirl).
And cartoons still do this to this day. Adventure Time and Steven Universe and such have a lot of adult jokes and such (in AT, off the top of my head there was one time Jake says, “it’ll be nuts!” while upside down and his unique-looking nose is drooping and resembles testicles. Also, Finn at one point tells Princess Bubblegum to “shut up and put this in your mouth!” He means some food, but come on, seeing as this is his crush it was clear what the double meaning was). Hell, I’ve only seen the first three seasons of AT, but I already know that two characters of the same gender kiss on screen in the finale and I don’t remember anyone freaking out about it. Not. Sure if there is a same gender kiss in Steven Universe, but they all but said from what I had seen that Pearl had feelings for Steven’s mother.
Or when cartoons just go full on horror. Coraline is a god tier example of this with its final confrontation against Other Mother, hell the Pitch Meeting video left the Producer guy speechless after Writer guy described what she does. Or The Beast from the miniseries Over the Garden Wall, a dark silhouette resembling a wendigo that is revealed to turn his victims into edelwood trees, and there’s lot of trees, and the character of the Huntsman has been chopping those trees (unaware of their true nature) to power the lantern that fuels the Beast. So yeah, a supporting character of a Cartoon Network show was committing murder without realizing it for years.
Anyway, the point is that cartoons have never held back in talking and showing kids stuff like this. And those kids turned out just fine.
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
It's the projection for me. This is akin to when adults used to scare-monger about violent videogames or some such.
"What are we going to do when little Timmy asks about pegging? It's just horrible!"
Meanwhile, little Timmy just thought the fight scenes were cool.
nush
Member
Then why we got furries?
TaylorSwiftFan
Member
Except Tesla didn’t lost market value YoY, which is what this topic is about. Even less companies lost value since 5 years ago.
I collect VHS tapes
Member
Disney will be just fine because people are fucking idiots and love garbage movies/TV
strange headache
Banned
Disney exec: "Okay guys, focus group testing and social media polling has shown a 4.2 positive trend for #trans. How do we incorporate this into our movie?"
Disney employee: "But sir, this is a Baymax movie."
Exec: "Let's not go overboard and include it too much, a 5 second scene will suffice."
Employee: "But trans-men look similar to men, how will audiences know the difference?"
Exec: "Let them look more like a woman then."
Employee: "But trans-men are men!"
Exec: "Hmm, maybe let Baymax buy tampons or something."
Employee: "But how will audiences understand it is not a husband buying tampons for his wife?"
Exec: "Oh ffs, just put a trans-flag on the shirt and let's call it a day!"
Doom85
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Doom85
Member
Speaking of kids focusing on what is cool, you know how out-of-touch people try to claim boys won’t watch a show if a girl is the lead character or at the very least will be less interested in comparison to a show with a lead male character?
(Legend of Korra interview quote)
“During test screenings, though, boys said they didn’t care that Korra was a girl. They just said she was awesome.”
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
No shit, we've been saying this for decades. Since Alien and Tomb Raider games.
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
InfiniteCombo
Banned
A very private and individualized topic like sexuality should have no room in the classrooms of, or in the media consumed by, very young children. If it needs discussion, it's between the child and his/her parents or guardians. And if it's a complicated or anormal situation, then it can involve some third party, like a counselor or psychologist.
But we know why this is happening, at least in the case of Disney. They have an agenda. This is not projection, not guesswork on my part: that's a word used directly by a high ranking Disney producer.
But we know why this is happening, at least in the case of Disney. They have an agenda. This is not projection, not guesswork on my part: that's a word used directly by a high ranking Disney producer.
Doom85
Member
Yes, but many old fart executives hate having to learn and understand it’s not the 1950’s anymore.
(though to be fair, IIRC it was the head of 20th Century Fox who argued Ripley should remain the lead of Alien 3, as he said female leads in sci fi were rare at the time and it gave the series a unique element. Of course, 3 still turned out to be shit, but the sentiment was nice)
This has always been true. Boys want a dynamic, assertive, PRO-ACTIVE leader that also understands the Rule of Cool. The sex, ethnicity, or bedroom habits of the person is a distant second to BEING AWESOME.
Modern writers can't understand this and their attempts to sell spongy emo mooks to boys always fails. Or they take a "toxic male", give the character tits, and pass that off as a "strong female character". But it isn't an INTERESTING character, it isn't a COOL character, it's just trash. And often said "female" character lacks any feminine traits and so isn't really appealing to women either and can't fit into any healthy relationship in the show. It's all about dysfunction at that point and no one cares.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Generally the quality of the art is supposed to be first, and everything else secondary.
But with that segment of the population, the sociopolitical message MUST be first, art second. (Which is why the art sucks.) It's no different from, say, from some of those low-budget Christian movies I used to watch as a kid where the Christian messaging takes priority over the art. And those movies sucked, too
Nuh uh, 10/10 and 100% rotten tomatoes score says you are wrong....DEAD WRONGGenerally the quality of the art is supposed to be first, and everything else secondary.
But with that segment of the population, the sociopolitical message MUST be first, art second. (Which is why the art sucks.) It's no different from, say, from some of those low-budget Christian movies I used to watch as a kid where the Christian messaging takes priority over the art. And those movies sucked, too
Even CNN endorsed it!!!! Imagine that in today's climate 
Doom85
Member
But legit curious: how do you prevent kids from seeing PDA between two people of the same gender? That would require some extreme helicopter parenting (which needless to say I do not look fondly towards, and I’m sure virtually any child psychologist turns their nose up at that form of child raising). And what about family get togethers? Are any LGBT members of the family forced to lie and call their SO a “friend” to the kids in the family while all the straight couples can be open about their relationship? Because that’s objectively discrimination no matter how one tries to spin it.
Regardless, as I said cartoons have talked to their kids about topics even more “extreme” (for lack of a better word) than this. This is not anything new so stop treating it like something new. Yes, there’s an agenda, no shit, you think Captain Planet didn’t have an agenda? Hell, you think older Pixar and Disney films don’t have agendas? Well, Monsters University told kids that college isn’t always the best option depending on one’s career ambitions and other elements, but OH NO, that’s not a typical topic for children, how will their fragile minds survive?! Like, fuck man, Up made it clear a baby didn’t survive the birthing process? Who the fuck is okay with having THAT conversation with their kid, but not the “dreaded” conversation of, “yes Timmy, sometimes certain people do fall in love with someone of the same gender?” Nah, clearly the more fun conversation is about DEAD BABIES!
And they do it because so many parents fail to do their fucking job. I remember a video made in the 90’s that showed a disturbing amount of young kids showing racist behavior. And when the parents were shocked, it turns out they never specifically taught their kids not to discriminate and thus other negative influences (other kids, other family members, etc.) were allowed to warp these kids’ minds. So yeah, how dare Pixar aim to teach kids the “hot take” that is “LGBT people can be happy!” Well, you homophob-err, “concerned” parents, hope you enjoy the day when you have to drive to the school, walk into the principal’s office, and have him shooting mental daggers at you as he explains that your child called Craig a “fa*” for having a drawing of Thor with a heart around him. Yeah, how dare Pixar try to pick up the slack from parents who failed to consider their kid can be influenced by hateful people, and try to prevent their kid from becoming hateful themselves!
Also, because apparently people forget how ratings work, Lightyear was rated PG. As in “Parental Guidance Suggested”. The movie also has Buzz and co. slice alien bugs open in combat, and
Buzz flat out directly kills Zurg (who is human since it’s an alternate timeline him) in the climax
Like, I’m just so disappointed and frustrated with a lot of people right now. Anti-racism became popular decades ago in fiction including fiction primarily at kids because too many parents weren’t teaching their kids to treat all races/ethnicities equally (or even worse, teaching them NOT to treat them equally). So no shit that when efforts have been made to have LGBT people treated equally that once again fiction took up the call to pick up the slack from thoughtless parents and counter hateful influences. This was always going to happen. And it’s a good thing it’s happening.
But hey, take your kids to Minions 2 instead. Enjoy the obnoxious screaming and fart jokes just so you can protect your child from people who DARED to be different.
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DeepEnigma
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Doom85
Member
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I always approach these topics logically, even when people (like you) quickly get worked up over stuff.
Because agenda-driven sexual messaging in young children's content, the way we're seeing it today is something I'm going to approach/treat a certain way, regardless (no offense) of how you tell me I should treat it.
Uses one example -- from 2013.
As I've made clear a trillion times on this forum (look up my post history if you want to), I am pro-LGBT. And there's a difference between what consenting adults do in their bedroom and what is being pushed to very young children. If you don't see the difference, you're either being dense, or, I'm gonna have to question your intelligence.
By the way, speaking of "in their bedroom," whatever happened to the old slogan of "my bedroom, my business?" Now it seems to be "my bedroom, everybody's business (including young children)."
In fact, we lived in a sort of racial "Belle Époque" between the mid-90s and the mid-2010s, where things were wonderful and I do honestly think we achieved a truly "post-racial America." Once the "anti-racists" started agitating around the mid-2010s, things actually got worse. And now, in 2022, the US is the most racially divided than I have ever seen it in my lifetime. So, anti-racists... congrats?
I didn't say this. And from a quick skimming of the thread, no one else is saying this. So let's not make claims no one is making. Doesn't help your argument.
Again, no one is asking for this. You used "projection" in a previous post but notice how you're the one doing a lot of projection. In fact, you are helping prove my point: If a child witnesses PDA from a same-sex couple in their family BBQ or event, then their parents should have that discussion with the child.
"This" is not new. What do you mean by "this?"
Because agenda-driven sexual messaging in young children's content, the way we're seeing it today is something I'm going to approach/treat a certain way, regardless (no offense) of how you tell me I should treat it.
That much is clear. And that is what I and others in this thread object to.
Captain Planet was a shitty cartoon, which again proves the point that when the messaging is first, and the art second, people don't like it. Kids of that time would agree with me, since the original show only lasted from '90 to '92.
"Older Pixar and Disney films"
Uses one example -- from 2013.
This is the problem with you getting all worked up -- it prevents you from seeing things clearly. The dead baby in Up was part of the plot device conveying the human condition and the response to tragedy, and why it led Carl to be such a grumpy curmudgeon in old age. The dead baby was not an sociopolitical motivated thing.
Oh yes. If parents fail, instead of educating parents, let's let broader entities -- entertainment, the state, etc -- educate your children instead. Entities that don't know, or care, about your child as much as the parent does, regardless of the parent's rate of educational failure.
Ah yes. If parents in a large swath of the country don't approve of something they don't want their kids to see until a certain age, yes, they must be homophobes. This is why it's difficult to have a rational conversation with you and the people on your side, because you guys always resort to childish insults.
As I've made clear a trillion times on this forum (look up my post history if you want to), I am pro-LGBT. And there's a difference between what consenting adults do in their bedroom and what is being pushed to very young children. If you don't see the difference, you're either being dense, or, I'm gonna have to question your intelligence.
By the way, speaking of "in their bedroom," whatever happened to the old slogan of "my bedroom, my business?" Now it seems to be "my bedroom, everybody's business (including young children)."
This seems to be a motif with people on your side. Constant unhappiness, which makes no sense when we live in the most technologically advanced, free, prosperous culture the world has EVER seen. (Or maybe it does make some sense -- when people have no "real problems" to worry about, they'll... manufacture problems that don't exist? I don't know, I'm not a psychologist).
As an Afro-Latino immigrant in the United States, I have to say, from both data and my own personal/anecdotal experience, that this "racism" narrative is a goddamned MYTH. (EDIT: Or was, until recently, but not for the reasons some may think.)
In fact, we lived in a sort of racial "Belle Époque" between the mid-90s and the mid-2010s, where things were wonderful and I do honestly think we achieved a truly "post-racial America." Once the "anti-racists" started agitating around the mid-2010s, things actually got worse. And now, in 2022, the US is the most racially divided than I have ever seen it in my lifetime. So, anti-racists... congrats?
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DeepEnigma
Gold Member
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I still don't get how y'all inferred the SINGLE background character is trans... In less than 3 seconds of screen time with one line and y'all get worked up over that?
Dr. Claus
Banned
Well, in that crowd of people, the black man says "My daughter....." clearly indicating he is buying them for someone else. The "trans" character says "I always get the ones with wings" which is language like the more female presenting characters use, implying she is buying it for herself, not another person. Whether the character is a male, trans, or just a masculine looking woman is debateable, the voice sounds scratchy female to me, but the build looks more masculine with the broad shoulders and narrower hips, in stark contrast to how the other women are built.
I don't particularly think it is subversive "deep programming", especially without context to how this scene fits into the show (is it buying products by mistake, for the aunt, for one of the female team members?) but it does seem to be a deliberate choice on the animators part to include this specific component, much like there used to be dick imagery in old disney hand drawn stuff (which was usually called out and censored when possible).
Anyway, if Disney is just concerned about $$$, then continued brouhaha about this ought to get them to police their content more closely, as I doubt they are gaining market share with this stuff going on. Be interesting to see in a year or so when creative decisions now will see an audience (i.e. are they gonna double down or quietly reduce it).
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I do think GAF has a lot of reasonable people that can engage in a reasonable debate.
So if you disagree with me, I'm more than willing/able to debate on the merits of a given topic. But don't be like
Swift_Star
and do the whole passive-aggressive "I disagree with you so I'm gonna put an LOL reaction on your post, but won't actually engage with the debate."
Because then I know you have no good counterarguments
So if you disagree with me, I'm more than willing/able to debate on the merits of a given topic. But don't be like
Swift_Star
and do the whole passive-aggressive "I disagree with you so I'm gonna put an LOL reaction on your post, but won't actually engage with the debate." Because then I know you have no good counterarguments
SafeOrAlone
Banned
We'd be better off with emojis that can only be used positively. Too easy to troll and be passive-aggressive with the other ones. I only use them to troll one person, but they kept talking about my pubic hair, which is a bit weirdo, so.I do think GAF has a lot of reasonable people that can engage in a reasonable debate.
So if you disagree with me, I'm more than willing/able to debate on the merits of a given topic. But don't be like
Because then I know you have no good counterarguments
InfiniteCombo
Banned
I see what you're saying and to some extent I agree. But the thing is that, for example, the "LOL" emoji was originally added so that people could react to legitimately funny posts (of which there are a lot on this forum; some posters here are pretty funny!) and the "empathy" emoji was originally added to express actual genuine empathy.
(For example, if someone posted "I'm bummed that this game I was really looking forward to got delayed by a whole year," then, if you're a fan of the same game and are equally disappointed, you'd react with an empathy emoji.)
So just like anything else, things can get perverted/misused.
SafeOrAlone
Banned
True, but since they are often abused, it's my opinion that we'd be better off just commenting on a post, instead of "reacting" to it, in certain situations.
But that's just my opinion and I'm sure a lot of people are happy with them.
InfiniteCombo
Banned
Of course, that's all fair.
DKehoe
Gold Member
I like the reactions because you can show you agree with a post without replying just to say something like "this"
Darkmakaimura
Can You Imagine What SureAI Is Going To Do With Garfield?
I couldn't agree with this post more. Well freaking said.
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Hezekiah
Banned
Thankfully there are plenty of young people who don't conflate gender with sex, and who are uninterested in pandering to woke morons
DeafTourette
Perpetually Offended
I have to strongly disagree with this. As a black American, I remember many racial incidents and the like from the 80s to the 2010s... The era you think we lived in a post-racial America. And these weren't one or two incidents per year ... they were happening plentifully.
Saying racism wasn't a thing from the 90s to now is just a fantasy... You didn't see it at all? That's awesome, but it existed all over the country... You either were shielded from it or had your head in the sand.
But it's whatever. We'll just disagree here.
Dr. Claus
Banned
Considering how often you have to pull the “because I am black” card and how you seem to always conduct yourself on GAF - I would be more likely to believe that you are someone who tries to find offense in everything and look at everything through a racially motivated lens.
strange headache
Banned
I have no issue with same-sex parents or a lesbian kiss, I do however take umbrage with gender ideology being normalized through kid's movies. Difference being that you are simply born lesbian/gay, but you are certainly not born novigender, gendervoid or maverique. As with any belief system, ideologies should always be open to criticism.
Gender theory is not different from creationism in that regard. Especially when many medical bodies are now warning that the growing cases of transgender identity in young people are often socially-mediated and that great caution in treatment is needed. It's intellectually dishonest to equate factual societal issues such as AIDS prevention or environmental protection with ideological ones.
Also can we finally stop lumping LGBTQ people together? It should be evident by now that there are very different views among these demographics with vastly different and even conflicting interests. Trans issues are not gay issues and queer interests are not inherently different from straight interests.
NotMyProblemAnymoreCunt
Biggest Trails Stan
I have to disagree with you there. Anti Racist are the reasons why these racial tensions have been starting to flare up again