It's more of a when than an if. They'll either be added as DLC in Smash 4 or get into Smash 5. I still believe that if they had more time, Olimar would have gotten into Melee (though he at least got a trophy). However, there's also the Chorus Kids (who were previously worked on) & Chibi-Robo (who's getting a bit of a push recently with a new game & his own Amiibo) to consider for the last of the two mystery slots since, let's be honest, Wolf most likely has one of the slots on lock.
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Do we expect Splatoon to be the next major Nintendo I.P.?
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Beelzebufo
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Err, two mystery slots? What are you talking about haha
Data miners found 5 slots after Mewtwo. Lucas, Roy, & Ryu occupy 3 of the 5, leaving 2 slots unknown. We don't know if this is all we're getting or just the pre-chosen characters before the ballot characters join in. Though based on Sakurai's recent comments on wanting to keep the hype going, we may get another wave of about 3-4 ballot characters next year since we won't get the results until October of this year.
Going on the assumption that the last of the mystery slots isn't for a ballot character & that the first one will go to Wolf, the most likely candidates to fill that slot are the Chorus Kids, the Inklings, & now Chibi-Robo.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Ooh, cool! Hopefully Wolf gets forgotten again. Inkling would almost definitely get in over the rest, but I'd love to see inkling and Chibi Robo.
Chorus Kids dream is dead
Not necessaraly. As for the justification for each.Ooh, cool! Hopefully Wolf gets forgotten again. Inkling would almost definitely get in over the rest, but I'd love to see inkling and Chibi Robo.
Chorus Kids dream is dead
- Wolf likely has the first mystery slot on lock because he's on the same boat as Lucas, a fan favorite who was left out of the base roster for Smash 4. He's the safest bet of anyone. Basically, he's the last veteran with no technical (Ice Climbers) or legal (Snake) issues holding him back.
- We both know why the Inklings are likely, given that they're the first major Nintendo IP from EAD since Pikmin.
- The Chorus Kids already had work put into them. And before anyone brings up the Ice Climbers argument, their data (or more specifically, data for a RH rep) remains in the game unlike the Ice Climbers, implying that the Chorus Kids were worked on for longer (which means they didn't have the same issues that the Ice Climbers had). They were most likely cut due to time constraints, but with the new Rhythm Heaven game coming to the 3DS, they have a reason to add them back in. The only reason I'm mentioning the CKs is because they were prevalent in numerous leaks including Gematsu (which was right, but had outdated information). The data more-or-less vindicated those rumors.
- Chibi-Robo now has his own Amiibo & a new 3DS game coming, which may be enough to propel him into Smash (which has long alluded him). The fact that he isn't an Assist Trophy already helps.
Or they could just... increment the numbers? Unless they've been really really dumb with how they've designed the internal coding of the roster, that should be utterly, utterly trivial. That said, there is one area where that might be trickier: do the 'mystery slots' have screen locations already allocated for the select screen??
This is likely the case but I wouldn't automatically assume we will be getting more (or even that many characters). It's all up in the air.
If that's the case, why leave the mystery slots at all? It looks more like that they wanted to leave space for the characters they were planning to add either this year or at all.
Beelzebufo
Banned
Maybe the first few were planned independently of the poll results (veteran veteran guest veteran unfinished), and then the rest will be reader's choice or whatever. Only the former got "slots"
I'd expect those slots are taken up by the characters currently in active development; those slots are actually meaningfully occupied in their current internal builds, and were simply dummied (or Mario'd!) out for the purposes of the patch that introduced Mewtwo without crippling functionality in other ways.
Avoids having to work too much in two distinct branches and having to propogate universal changes between each.
(All that said, it also wouldn't surprise me too much if one such slot was just a universal "Stick something here if you want to test it" without really having any long-term identity)
Edit: Actually, extrapolating from the latter: The fact that there's four such slots (plus Lucas, the one we absolutely know is on the way) makes me wonder if they're all placeholders for WIP characters or tunings, so they can experiment with four changed characters without affecting the baseline versions of each. That's also the sort of thing I would imagine you'd do when developing a piece of software of this nature.
SuperLeviathan
Member
Any updates on Splatoon?
For the first weekend of Mario Kart, Nintendo did a huge PR release about how it sold over a million copies worldwide within two days. GAF had a whole thread about it.
They've been quiet about Splatoon, for some weird reason.
For the first weekend of Mario Kart, Nintendo did a huge PR release about how it sold over a million copies worldwide within two days. GAF had a whole thread about it.
They've been quiet about Splatoon, for some weird reason.
frankie_baby
Member
Well its a fair bet it didn't sell a million yet so there's no point in doing a press release
E3 being 2 weeks away and likely tying up their PR teams is not "some weird reason".
balgajo
Member
After all of that marketing expenses I still predict a bomba. Also after it W101 total sales level bomba seems unrealistic.
Why? Is there a rumor about being a MK8 level of success?
I think they may announce some encouraging numbers at E3.
MissileTrick
Member
I see this happening then right after they will announce that a new weapon and stage is available NOW!
Aaron Strife
Banned
I recall some poster here saying outright that he wanted X to be revealed as a Xenoblade sequel so that it wouldn't count as a new IP anymore.
Like people expect Nintendo to make all these new IPs and have them be one and done.
What do you consider bombing? I'm sure most people in this thread have differing opinions on that.
twothunder
Member
Nope. Expecting Mario kart level success is crazy. Also..
Pretty much this. The words "bomba" "bomb" is thrown around so much. It kinda becomes worthless without an actual number.
Bombing by Wii U standards would be selling like what The Wonderful 101 did in 2 years. Given the advertising & the near-unanimous praise, selling like W101 did is basically impossible.
Solid, good even. I think some people expected a huge amount because of rumors and how it's 90% sold out, but still, the numbers are good.
CaviarMeths
Member
For what it's worth, it's one of the best new IP launches this gen in Japan, though that isn't saying much. Bloodborne did 152k, for reference.
A little context: best Wii U launches (first week debut numbers) in Japan so far:
[WIU] Mario Kart 8 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156) - 325.892 / NEW <80,90%>
[WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776) - 227.527 / NEW
[WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 163.528 / NEW
[WIU] Splatoon 144k / NEW
[WIU] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.12.08} (¥4.800) - 106.388 / NEW
[WIU] Pikmin 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} (¥5.985) - 92.720 / NEW <48,45%>
[WIU] Nintendo Land <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.935) - 72.121 / NEW
[WIU] Mario Kart 8 <RCE> (Nintendo) {2014.05.29} (¥6.156) - 325.892 / NEW <80,90%>
[WIU] Super Smash Bros. for Wii U # <FTG> (Nintendo) {2014.12.06} (¥7.776) - 227.527 / NEW
[WIU] New Super Mario Bros. U <ACT> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥5.985) - 163.528 / NEW
[WIU] Splatoon 144k / NEW
[WIU] Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate # <ACT> (Capcom) {2012.12.08} (¥4.800) - 106.388 / NEW
[WIU] Pikmin 3 <ACT> (Nintendo) {2013.07.13} (¥5.985) - 92.720 / NEW <48,45%>
[WIU] Nintendo Land <ETC> (Nintendo) {2012.12.08} (¥4.935) - 72.121 / NEW
To give some context:
Compare that with some expectations from the first page:
So if you compare those statements with how it ends up doing, it's a major succes that most of GAF didn't see coming, once again.
Compared to other first party WiiU titles (list by Javier, MC thread)
Javier said:
Compare that with some expectations from the first page:
So if you compare those statements with how it ends up doing, it's a major succes that most of GAF didn't see coming, once again.
LegendofLex
Member
All signs are pointing to Splatoon becoming a new "third pillar" of Nintendo's competitive multiplayer stable: Mario Kart, Smash Bros, and now Splatoon. It's probably not going to hit the same highs this time around due to it being a new franchise vs. Mario Kart and Smash which are both super well-established at this point (both are more than 15 years old), but I could definitely see it approaching 2m+ sales even on Wii U.
I'm not sure yet. I'm having a good time with Splatoon, but I think it has a lot of flaws (I'd rate it a 7 or 7.5). As it's standing right now, I don't think it's the next major Nintendo IP. Though a potential Splatoon 2 (which I think is very likely to happen) can iron all these flaws out and be a lot better, and thus be the next major Nintendo IP as far as I'm concerned.
ThatRandomCliff
Member
I think there is diffidently potential for Splatoon to be a major I.P. It's going to get continued support with DLC after all (though I guess that isn't really an indicator of if a game will get a sequel or not).
If they have regular content to keep it fresh and maintain the community, it should do ok. It does not have to sell massively, it just needs a player-base that supports it. Some more gameplay options would be nice as well, so the community can continue to make interesting variations on what Nintendo supplies.
Not going to happen but a 2v2v2v2 mode would be interesting.
Not going to happen but a 2v2v2v2 mode would be interesting.
CaviarMeths
Member
1m WW by E3 possible/likely?
Chobel
I will never doubt Sony or Nintendo IPs again
(05-03-2015, 12:35 PM)
I know I put him on the list already, but his tag was too good of an opportunity to miss.
ThatRandomCliff
Member
I agree, though personally I would rate it a 8.5 or maybe even a 8.75 simply because I am enjoying the game so much.
I doubt it - I think 500-600k is more likely, but we'll know more tomorrow with the NPD numbers.
Chezzymann
Member
I don't see why I'm being quoted. I said I expect it to sell either wonderful 101 numbers or optimistically pikmin 3, and at this rate it seems like it will fall somewhere in there, probably around a million like pikmin 3. That still wouldn't put it close to being a major Nintendo IP though. Fire Emblem Awakening did a million and I wouldn't consider it a major IP
tomorrow?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Wow. I think this will have legs, too, with word-of-mouth.
Sorry, I'm wrong - it's next week.
It's no wall of shame or anything, just giving some different expectations and how Splatoon beat them. You put it at pikmin 3, and it outsold it with quite a margin (150k vs 99k FW). I personally expect Splatoon to outsell pikmin 3 by at least 50%
Fire emblem is somewhere around the 10th best selling first party franchise for 3DS at the moment, whether that's major is open for discussion.
Except for the fact that selling anywhere near W101 is impossible given the praise & advertising the game got & still is getting. Plus Nintendo isn't gonna give multiple Amiibos to franchises they think will bomb (at least in Chibi-Robo's case, you have to get the game to get the Amiibo). The fact that there are Amiibos not in a bundle with the game (besides the Squid in Europe) is a show of confidence. It could sell near Pikmin in the sense that it'll hit a million eventually, but it won't sell even remotely close to W101.
Hasnt the Game already done like 50% of TW101 worldwide Liftetime Numbers (around 300k if i'm correct) in 4 Days in Japan alone?
Thats far away from a Bomba
Impressive numbers for it's first week. It actually sold better than Pikmin 3 on it's first week! An the fact that this is a brand new IP makes it more exciting. Splatoon is on good way to become a well stablished Nintendo franchise now that's great <3
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I wonder if there's any truth to this picture....
I'm a teen I'm a kid I'm a squid
Astral Dog
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For Wii U? a Console game? in Japan? new ip?
Those sound like solid numbers, im surprised.
SmokedMeat
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I wonder if there's any truth to this picture....
It's already wrong in assuming little kids are CoD's actual audience.