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Doctor Doom is now the Infamous Iron Man

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Tomita

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But I like International Iron Man ):

Doom Iron Man better have a spiffy looking costume at least... Doubt I'll read it though :/ Will see if International Iron Man has any set up.

This thread is reminding me I need to catch up on all the Superman Rebirth shit. Is the Lex shit any good so far?
 

Ledsen

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People don't like Bendis? I was under the impression that he was seen as one of the best Marvel writers bar none, was this wrong?
 

dabig2

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People don't like Bendis? I was under the impression that he was seen as one of the best Marvel writers bar none, was this wrong?

He's been a meme for a decade now. He writes some good stuff, but he definitely pickles a lot of people wrong with his dialogue, narratives, and characterizations. He's not hated incessantly like a Loeb, but he's had a fair share of detractors for a minute.
 

MartyStu

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People don't like Bendis? I was under the impression that he was seen as one of the best Marvel writers bar none, was this wrong?

Depends on who you ask, but he does not have widespread acclaim.

He can be really good depending on the property. Ultimate Spider-Man being the prime example. And oh so very awful: most of his X-Men work.

One thing most agree on though: he has been responsible for some of the worst events Marvel has pumped out.
 

olympia

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People don't like Bendis? I was under the impression that he was seen as one of the best Marvel writers bar none, was this wrong?

this is my personal opinion of why bends is eh

being a decompression-era writer, he's known for having long bits of conversations and has a reputation for "talking heads" with snarky dialogue. a lot of people don't like his new avengers run and i feel like his comics just ooze his voice

but he's written some really great comics so he's cool with me imo
 

Sinatar

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People don't like Bendis? I was under the impression that he was seen as one of the best Marvel writers bar none, was this wrong?

He is good at writing small scale street level stories that don't interact with the continuity at all.

He's absolutely atrocious at anything larger scale then that.
 
That looks odd. His normal suit is much cooler :(

I don't get why they always shy away from his iconic look. It's more Iron Man than Doom. A hoodie doesn't make him Doom, and neither did it work for the movie. Add a little more Von Doom character to the armor instead of just changing the color to a shade of grey.

Looks good though. I'm sure it'll gently evolve.
 

Mudcrab

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I wonder how big of a meltdown I'll have when Bendis reveals Doom is actually Stark's secret long lost brother.

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Sinatar

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I wonder how big of a meltdown I'll have when Bendis reveals Doom is actually Stark's secret long lost brother.

I mean International Iron Man is tackling the mystery of who his real parents are, so I wouldn't be at all surprised.
 

CazTGG

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Doom as Iron Man? I could get behind that if:
A) It wasn't written by the same guy who made Moon Knight see Spider-Man, Captain America and Wolverine because Moon Knight (at the time) was said to have DID despite the fact THAT'S NOT HOW DID WORKS BENDIS!
B) This didn't come so close to the announcement of Riri Williams as the new Iron Man. Yes, I know that there are multiple series of certain characters running at the same time, but at least Sam's Captain America series got its time to shine before they brought back Steve Cap. This is just going to take away the wind from the new Iron Man before that series even launches its first issue.

I know there's been the reverse in an elseworld's tale, but doing this in the main universe is...interesting. I like the idea on paper, but I hold no fondness for the writing of the person who'll be putting pen onto said paper.
 

Vyer

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Damn, overshadowing the new diversity driven version of a big name hero in record time, even for Marvel.
 

exfatal

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Been reading superior iron man and he's a complete douche now. what comic do i read to continue that story? it went into secret wars which i just finished reading as well pretty good, but know evil iron man. where he at? or was the story scrapped or something?
 
These last 2-3 years have been horrible for all of us who love established Marvel characters. Either their character gets figuratively assassinated or they get assassinated for real.

Every Marvel character I love has been nuetered or killed. Thor, (likely Iron Man), Cyclops, Wolverine, Doom, Steve Rogers, Bruce Banner....
Magneto is an exception- but "all X-Men must die" so I'm sure he will get replaced soon enough.

I hate All New All Whatever Marvel. I can't wait for it to end.
Oh get over it. They're trying new shit. There are fucking decades of stories with the same goddamned characters. Trying something new is not a bad thing.
They wouldn't work as Falcon stories?
Of course they wouldn't. Sam was never and will never be as popular as he is as Cap. Plus, the stories are very political in a way
Marvel and DC created it themselves by printing new #1 issues every 6 months and creating buzzwords like "Jumping on point".
How did that create a barrier? Anyone can start with a #1 and go from there as easy access. It's not that hard.
4, same as he's doing now (not counting Civil War II).
I thought he was doing 4 including CW2.

Spider-Man
Invincible Iron Man
International Iron Man

What am I missing?
Cyclops already became Magneto about 4 years ago
My first comic?

The Avengers vs X-Men event.

Nothing will kill my interest in comics after reading that. (I thought it was amazing at the time tbh)
It's okay. I loved Ultimatum when I was 16. I don't anymore though. I'm 24.

Are you reading the new Superman? The ending of the last issue made me flip out:

(spoilers)

It was at that moment that I realized that they are 100% just getting away with redoing one of the most reviled Superman stories of all time. And it's working.
this is my personal opinion of why bends is eh

being a decompression-era writer, he's known for having long bits of conversations and has a reputation for "talking heads" with snarky dialogue. a lot of people don't like his new avengers run and i feel like his comics just ooze his voice

but he's written some really great comics so he's cool with me imo
Pretty much. But like you said he's written some great stuff.
I wonder how big of a meltdown I'll have when Bendis reveals Doom is actually Stark's secret long lost brother.
Arno? What happened to Arno? Is he dead?
Doom as Iron Man? I could get behind that if:
A) It wasn't written by the same guy who made Moon Knight see Spider-Man, Captain America and Wolverine because Moon Knight (at the time) was said to have DID despite the fact THAT'S NOT HOW DID WORKS BENDIS!
Marc's currently hallucinating everything in his current book. It's not just DID. He's also just sort of crazy. Plus, he was actually talking to them at points and they did actually pay a visit or two to him and they did in fact actually send him to LA in order to find that Ultron head.
Been reading superior iron man and he's a complete douche now. what comic do i read to continue that story? it went into secret wars which i just finished reading as well pretty good, but know evil iron man. where he at? or was the story scrapped or something?

He's no longer inverted. Plain and simple. He was "fixed" when the Richards family and Molecule Man remade everything.
 

CazTGG

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Marc's currently hallucinating everything in his current book. It's not just DID. He's also just sort of crazy. Plus, he was actually talking to them at points and they did actually pay a visit or two to him and they did in fact actually send him to LA in order to find that Ultron head.

Without wishing to derail this thread, that's part of why i'm not a fan of Lemire's current take on the character: After Ellis' excellent run retconned the (frankly) inaccurate and highly questionable portrayal of Marc's mental faculties and instead made him a more complex character who, while suffering from brain damage and coming to grips with the reality of the situation, was both stable, resourceful and smart throughout his escapades, having him potentially hearken back to the "Moon Knight is insane" route
(it's likely that this is somehow being caused by Stained Glass Scarlet due to a recent leak showing her in issue 5 and her appearance in the first issue, plus the prominence of red in said first issue, possibly in conjunction with Seth)
feels like a step back to what is all too often used as a crutch for writers rather than making the lead or his adventures compelling, though the light characterization that Marc and the other characters are given hasn't helped much. Smallwood's art is fantastic and Bellaire's pencils are damn near perfect, but there's little else to justify picking this run up given the aforementioned characterization issues, the pacing issues that plagued all the issues thus far, save for two, plus the constant reminder of what one could be reading (i.e. the original Doug Moench run that Lemire seems to love referencing), have left me dry and not holding out much hope for this story and the supposed ongoing to stem off from it. Still, better than Bendis' run, i'll give it that.
 

exfatal

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He's no longer inverted. Plain and simple. He was "fixed" when the Richards family and Molecule Man remade everything.

Aw lame, so i guess evil tony won in the end. kinda disappointing wanted to see where that was going. has any issues with the black female iron man been released yet and if so how are they?
 
Without wishing to derail this thread, that's part of why i'm not a fan of Lemire's current take on the character: After Ellis' excellent run retconned the (frankly) inaccurate and highly questionable portrayal of Marc's mental faculties and instead made him a more complex character who, while suffering from brain damage and coming to grips with the reality of the situation, was both stable, resourceful and smart throughout his escapades, having him potentially hearken back to the "Moon Knight is insane" route
(it's likely that this is somehow being caused by Stained Glass Scarlet due to a recent leak showing her in issue 5 and her appearance in the first issue, plus the prominence of red in said first issue, possibly in conjunction with Seth)
feels like a step back to what is all too often used as a crutch for writers rather than making the lead or his adventures compelling, though the light characterization that Marc and the other characters are given hasn't helped much. Smallwood's art is fantastic and Bellaire's pencils are damn near perfect, but there's little else to justify picking this run up given the aforementioned characterization issues, the pacing issues that plagued all the issues thus far, save for two, plus the constant reminder of what one could be reading (i.e. the original Doug Moench run that Lemire seems to love referencing), have left me dry and not holding out much hope for this story and the supposed ongoing to stem off from it. Still, better than Bendis' run, i'll give it that.
I'm not a Moon Knight expert, and I'm not pretending to be one. Just saying that what Bendis did isn't something unique or different from was done and os currently being done with the character.
Aw lame, so i guess evil tony won in the end. kinda disappointing wanted to see where that was going. has any issues with the black female iron man been released yet and if so how are they?
She's been in issues since #7, but hasn't been Iron Man. They're still building her up to that point in the solo book.

Also Superior's arc was pretty complete. He lost everything due to how shitty he was and he was never going to redeem himself. He was the "I'm always right" attitude taken to the extreme.
Guardians and now he's adding Jessica Jones on top of that.
Fuck I forgot he was still on GotG.
 
Technically he died fighting old captain america during the final incursion when the ultimate universe fought the 616 universe. The current version of Tony is a different one who was created by Reed when he became a god.
I'm fully aware of the actual logistics behind it. Technically everyone that wasn't on the incursion craft, Molecule Man, Doom, Strange, or the Richards family, was recreated because they all died.

They just recreated Tony based on how he was pre-Axis
 

nicanica

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I'm fully aware of the actual logistics behind it. Technically everyone that wasn't on the incursion craft, Molecule Man, Doom, Strange, or the Richards family, was recreated because they all died.

They just recreated Tony based on how he was pre-Axis

Young Loki, Silver Surfer, Dawn Greenwood and I think Deadpool's Ghost survivors as well.
 
So we have three characters now taking over the Ironman suit?
I don't understand.
Where are you getting the third?

LET'S RECAP:
-We don't know what happens to Tony. Heavy implications are that he either dies or goes missing and people assume he dies.
-Riri is taking over as Invincible Iron Man
-Doom is taking over as Infamous Iron Man

Young Loki, Silver Surfer, Dawn Greenwood and I think Deadpool's Ghost survivors as well.

How? They weren't on the incursion craft half that survived, nor were they with the Cabal. And they weren't any of Doom's special chosen ones either.
 

nicanica

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How? They weren't on the incursion craft half that survived, nor were they with the Cabal. And they weren't any of Doom's special chosen ones either.
Dawn was with Surfer and they outran the final crunch, made it to a plane inbetween all things or something. Had a kooky adventure, then emerged out the other side back into the newly created Universe

Same with Young Loki (in the agent of asgard books). He went from being the trickster god / god of lies, into the god of stories. During the final incursion, he transcended into the plane where the gods of the multi verse exist. Flipping the old gods the bird, Loki voluntarily enters the new universe, where he doesn't know if he'll still be a good guy or a bad guy.

Deadpool is just being deadpool
 

MartyStu

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Don't check out Spider-Man, then. I've lost count of how many of them we have. They've multiplied like Flashes over at DC.

I actually think the Spiders have actually been ahead of the Flashes until very recently.

Technically he died fighting old captain america during the final incursion when the ultimate universe fought the 616 universe. The current version of Tony is a different one who was created by Reed when he became a god.

Inverted Tony was such a massive mistake. The character itself was really cool, but any and all emotional or storytelling beats were rendered null and bullshit by the fact that he is not actually Tony. The fact that everyone acted and reacted to him as if he was Tony was infuriating.
 
Dawn was with Surfer and they outran the final crunch, made it to a plane inbetween all things or something. Had a kooky adventure, then emerged out the other side back into the newly created Universe

Same with Young Loki (in the agent of asgard books). He went from being the trickster god / god of lies, into the god of stories. During the final incursion, he transcended into the plane where the gods of the multi verse exist. Flipping the old gods the bird, Loki voluntarily enters the new universe, where he doesn't know if he'll still be a good guy or a bad guy.

Deadpool is just being deadpool
I'm not buying the bolded
 

MartyStu

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Uh what? Different universe?

No. There will be two Iron man books within the same universe. Same as now:

Invincible Iron Man => Invisible Iron Man
International Iron Man => Infamous Iron Man

The only difference is that two different characters will helm the books. I assume the approach to the two characters distilsl them to two different essences synthesized in Tony.

I assume that Doom is on an Avengers book maybe? And Riri is a member of Champions. Would make the most sense.
 

Parallax

best seen in the classic "Shadow of the Beast"
Inverted Tony was such a massive mistake. The character itself was really cool, but any and all emotional or storytelling beats were rendered null and bullshit by the fact that he is not actually Tony. The fact that everyone acted and reacted to him as if he was Tony was infuriating.

if it walks like a duck. and quacks like a duck, people are gonna believe its a duck. tony did worse things when he wasnt inverted

spock was a worse sell. theres no way people could believe that he was actually spider man
 
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