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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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TehOh

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One of my friends was chatting with me over dinner and he mentioned Doctor Who. So, I decided to finally convince him of the brilliance of the show.

Unfortuantely, I couldn't show him any of series 5 today - just had the first four series (on Netflix) at hand.

I showed him Rose and Dalek for that character introduction. I could sort of see him smiling, he was kinda enjoying it for the campy British sci-fi tone.

We only had time for one more episode, so to really convince him, I put on Blink. Worked like a charm. He looked at me when it was over and said, "Ok. I get it."

No point to the story, but yay - got another one into the fold.
 

Nickiepoo

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PhoncipleBone said:
They switched to HD cameras with Planet of the Dead, which probably plays a big part in how good it looks compared to the other shows and the kind of lighting they use for the cinematography. Also using the HD cameras does allow for easier color correction, much like how they did BSG.

I actually just saw that ep for the first time last night (on Blu-ray no less), and yeah you must be right about that ep being the one where they made the switch. Big step up with the sweeping shots of the desert and isometric view of London.

Also quite enjoyed the companion for that episode, but dark-haired girls are kryptonite to me.
 
Gowans007 said:
What is this K9 series on channel 5? & how have they got it?

The series is a joint Aussie/UK production, BBC declined to get involved because they had too many spin-offs already (Sarah Jane, Torchwood). CH5 bought terrestrial airing rights from Network Ten (Australia station) I believe. No mention can be made of any Doc Who stuff in the show due to BBC holding the rights to all those characters, so K9 regenerated and lost all his old memories in the first episode.
 

Mr. Sam

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Keyser Soze said:
The series is a joint Aussie/UK production, BBC declined to get involved because they had too many spin-offs already (Sarah Jane, Torchwood). CH5 bought terrestrial airing rights from Network Ten (Australia station) I believe. No mention can be made of any Doc Who stuff in the show due to BBC holding the rights to all those characters, so K9 regenerated and lost all his old memories in the first episode.

Yeah, sounds like Channel 5 alright.
 

BJK

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BBC America Dr. Who Marathon on a weekend where I'm with family that actually gets BBCA!

(I get to catch up with last season....and the X-mas special.)
:D
 
BJK said:
BBC America Dr. Who Marathon on a weekend where I'm with family that actually gets BBCA!

(I get to catch up with last season....and the X-mas special.)
:D

Yeah, I still missed a lot of the season but I caught the last half of the almost finale and then all of "The Big Bang" and that was just fantastic. I'll definitely have to pick up the whole season on Blu Ray.
 
I hate to bring a downer on the thread - but David Tennants last episode was on TV just now, and the send off to the old cast was touching. It really is sad watching that know knowing that after a season its unlikely we will ever see any of them again. :(

As much as I despised the old structure of the show (tense build up, then magic wand at the end to resolve the issue) - I still prefer Tennants doctor.
 

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Nickiepoo said:
I actually just saw that ep for the first time last night (on Blu-ray no less), and yeah you must be right about that ep being the one where they made the switch. Big step up with the sweeping shots of the desert and isometric view of London.

Also quite enjoyed the companion for that episode, but dark-haired girls are kryptonite to me.

OT, but just watched new primeval, super work :)

(i'm 99% sure it was you... or.. i'm confusing gaf members again :()
 

Mr. Sam

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Three additions to the OP. Nothing major. Firstly, an indent (exciting, I know). Secondly, a discussion link to episodes. We'll see how that works out.

Mr. Sam said:
Christmas Special 2010 <--- Discussion Link
'A Christmas Carol'
By Steven Moffat​

Thirdly, the Series Six preview.

Mr. Sam said:

HolyCheck said:
OT, but just watched new primeval, super work :)

(i'm 99% sure it was you... or.. i'm confusing gaf members again :()

I do believe it was Nickiepoo, yes. When was the new Primeval on? I don't like it nearly as much as Who but it's not my least favourite thing to watch either.

infiniteloop said:
Final figures for A Christmas Carol, 12.11m (42% viewer share).

That's... good, yeah? Numbers have never been my strong suit.
 
Mr. Sam said:
That's... good, yeah? Numbers have never been my strong suit.

Yeah, good numbers.

#3 on Christmas Day

Saturday 25 December 2010 - Consolidated (Final) Ratings
1...EastEnders (20:00, BBC One) - 12.61m (44.2%)
2...Come Fly With Me (22:00, BBC One) - 12.47m (43.3%)
3...Doctor Who (18:00, BBC One) - 12.11m (41.8%)
4...The Royle Family (21:00, BBC One) - 11.29m (39.3%)
5...Strictly Come Dancing (19:00, BBC One) - 10.96m (36.0%)


Third highest Christmas Day Episode

Doctor Who (Christmas Day Specials) - Consolidated figures


13.31m (52%) - Voyage of the Damned (2007)
13.10m (52%) - The Next Doctor (2008)
12.11m (42%) - A Christmas Carol (2010)
12.04m (45%) - The End of Time - pt 1 (2009)
9.84m (44%) - The Christmas Invasion (2005)
9.35m (37%) - The Runaway Bride (2006)
 

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infiniteloop said:
Yeah, good numbers.

#3 on Christmas Day

Saturday 25 December 2010 - Consolidated (Final) Ratings
1...EastEnders (20:00, BBC One) - 12.61m (44.2%)
2...Come Fly With Me (22:00, BBC One) - 12.47m (43.3%)
3...Doctor Who (18:00, BBC One) - 12.11m (41.8%)
4...The Royle Family (21:00, BBC One) - 11.29m (39.3%)
5...Strictly Come Dancing (19:00, BBC One) - 10.96m (36.0%)


Third highest Christmas Day Episode

Doctor Who (Christmas Day Specials) - Consolidated figures


13.31m (52%) - Voyage of the Damned (2007)
13.10m (52%) - The Next Doctor (2008)
12.11m (42%) - A Christmas Carol (2010)
12.04m (45%) - The End of Time - pt 1 (2009)
9.84m (44%) - The Christmas Invasion (2005)
9.35m (37%) - The Runaway Bride (2006)


Wonder how Top Gear did the next day.

Voyage of the Damned at #1 is pretty sad to see.
 

Mr. Sam

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Second lowest by audience share - hey, I can do numbers! - but yeah, still very good. What was it going up against? Don't suppose Corrie was on at the same time.
 

Lach

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I've just finished the Christmas Special That was just great.

While I never clicked with the old Seasons (and by old I mean Seasons 1-4 since 2005) I decided to give it another chance with Season 5 and absolutely fell in love with it. Now I want to get into the whole Doctor Who Mytholgy. I've been looking at a few of the old episodes (Unearthly child, Deadly Assassin) but I don't think it will really click. Are there any really important episodes which add much to the background?

I also want the 2005 reboot another chance but would like to know which episodes I shouldn't bother with. Any tips?
 

Mr. Sam

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I put a Series 1-5 list in the FAQ in the OP:

Mr. Sam said:
If I were so inclined, what is the recommended watching?
Different people will give you different lists, but generally, if you're going to watch New Who, this is the cream of the crop (or just the ones with important story elements, whatever). Series finales and openers are always included - because they're important to the story - but they can be of questionable quality. The best episodes will usually be within the series:

Series 1 (27):
  • Rose
  • Dalek
  • The Empty Child [Part 1]
  • The Doctor Dances [Part 2]
  • Bad Wolf [Part 1] [Series Finale]
  • The Parting of the Ways [Part 2]

Series 2 (28):
  • The Christmas Invasion
  • Tooth and Claw
  • The Girl in the Fireplace
  • The Impossible Planet
  • The Satan Pit
  • Army Of Ghosts [Part 1] [Series Finale]
  • Doomsday [Part 2]

Series 3 (29):
  • The Runaway Bride
  • Smith and Jones
  • Gridlock
  • 42
  • Human Nature [Part 1]
  • Family of Blood [Part 2]
  • Blink
  • Utopia [Part 1] [Series Finale]
  • Sound of Drums [Part 2]
  • Last of the Time Lords [Part 3]

Series 4 (30):
  • Partners in Crime
  • Silence in the Library [Part 1]
  • Forest of the Dead [Part 2]
  • Midnight
  • The Stolen Earth [Part 1] [Series Finale]
  • Journey's End [Part 2]

'The Specials':
  • The Waters of Mars
  • The End of Time [2-Parter] [Series Finale]

Series 1, 5, 31, 2010 or Fnarg (31):
  • The Eleventh Hour
  • The Beast Below
  • Time of Angels [Part 1]
  • Flesh and Stone [Part 2]
  • Vampires in Venice
  • Amy's Choice
  • Vincent and The Doctor
  • The Lodger
  • The Pandorica Opens [Part 1] [Series Finale]
  • The Big Bang [Part 2]

Otherwise, you might find HolyCheck's epic rewatch thread (http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=401638) helpful.
 

maharg

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I don't think there's much point in skipping anything in the new show, the really terrible episodes are few and far between and there's only 13 total per season anyways. When you think about lists like the ones in the post above this one and realize that you're still watching 1/2 to 2/3rds of every season, it just seems kind of pointless.
 
maharg said:
I don't think there's much point in skipping anything in the new show, the really terrible episodes are few and far between and there's only 13 total per season anyways. When you think about lists like the ones in the post above this one and realize that you're still watching 1/2 to 2/3rds of every season, it just seems kind of pointless.
Yup. And even the bad episodes have some good bits in them. And if you don't see the bad stuff, how can you judge the good stuff against it. Gotta have both extremes. (I am looking at you human/dalek hybrid!)
 

mjc

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So do we know if BBC America is gonna get clearance to show new episodes sooner now? Like last series we had a two week delay for new episodes. It'd be cool if they could trim it down or even make it the same day/day after as the UK.
 

Mr. Sam

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mjc said:
So do we know if BBC America is gonna get clearance to show new episodes sooner now? Like last series we had a two week delay for new episodes. It'd be cool if they could trim it down or even make it the same day/day after as the UK.

I think there might be some law - or, I dunno, gentlemen's agreement - that makes it illegal to give other countries the same show at the same time. That's just me making assumptions because British citizens pay the license fee.
 
maharg said:
I don't think there's much point in skipping anything in the new show, the really terrible episodes are few and far between and there's only 13 total per season anyways. When you think about lists like the ones in the post above this one and realize that you're still watching 1/2 to 2/3rds of every season, it just seems kind of pointless.

Agreed, there's little bits of continuity in just about every ep. Might as well watch them all.

So do we know if BBC America is gonna get clearance to show new episodes sooner now? Like last series we had a two week delay for new episodes. It'd be cool if they could trim it down or even make it the same day/day after as the UK.

I saw something couple of weeks ago that said they might be showing them the same day.
 

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Doctor Who is like a bag of chocolates. Some are awesome, some are okay, and every once in a while you get one that's rotten and has a cockroach filling.

Watch everything. The lows make the highs even higher.
 

mrklaw

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Just rewatched the last tennant episode. I kind of like the closure he gets, but it wasn't really necessary. The new doctor has all the same memories right, so no reason matt smith couldn't have visited those people he'd touched.

And is it me, or are the companions way more tied to the doctor than in 'old' who? Rose, Donna and Amy pond have all been tightly linked with major events and affecting the doctor too, whereas before they were just along for the ride? Seems an odd coincidence.
 
mrklaw said:
Just rewatched the last tennant episode. I kind of like the closure he gets, but it wasn't really necessary. The new doctor has all the same memories right, so no reason matt smith couldn't have visited those people he'd touched.

Yeah, but it's all up to the new story head how much they want to distance themselves from the earlier material. But we've seen at least one character from back then come back (the Sontaran commander, who actually isn't the same character but is played by the same guy, at least), so there's hope. :)



And is it me, or are the companions way more tied to the doctor than in 'old' who? Rose, Donna and Amy pond have all been tightly linked with major events and affecting the doctor too, whereas before they were just along for the ride? Seems an odd coincidence.

Ace (the last companion before the old show was canceled) was angling more in that direction, too. Bits of her story kept popping up here and there. She wasn't given the powers of a god like Rose or Donna or Amy was, though (poor Martha, she got bupkis).
 
GameplayWhore said:
Yeah, but it's all up to the new story head how much they want to distance themselves from the earlier material. But we've seen at least one character from back then come back (the Sontaran commander, who actually isn't the same character but is played by the same guy, at least), so there's hope. :)
And River Song, but she was introduced in a Moffatt episode anyways.
 
mrklaw said:
Just rewatched the last tennant episode. I kind of like the closure he gets, but it wasn't really necessary. The new doctor has all the same memories right, so no reason matt smith couldn't have visited those people he'd touched.

But Tennant wanted to visit them before he changed. Once he's turned into Matt Smith, his personality has altered.

And is it me, or are the companions way more tied to the doctor than in 'old' who? Rose, Donna and Amy pond have all been tightly linked with major events and affecting the doctor too, whereas before they were just along for the ride? Seems an odd coincidence.

One of the many things the new series does better. Frequently in the old series, companions main jobs seemed to be screaming and getting captured.


The second ep of Primeval has just been on. Still a bit monster-of-the-week, although the Irish guy's hidden agenda might prove interesting.
 
PhoncipleBone said:
And River Song, but she was introduced in a Moffatt episode anyways.

Right, my brain exclused Moffat's creations from being old new series material for whatever reason.

Anyway, that he is a Moffat creation is why I'm secretly hoping that we'll finally get to see a little bit of resolution on Captain Jack's memory blanked years. That story has been all but dropped for almost half a decade.

Hmm, now that I'm generally thinking about him, wasn't the last time we saw Jack the scene when he was hanging with Alonso? Might be groovy to see the two of them in new Torchwood.
 

Mr. Sam

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RTD sort of retconned the "same man, different face" thing by having Tennant describe it as "like dying" and "someone else just walks off." Moffat has since retconned it back, insisting on the "same man, different face" angle in interviews. A slight personality shift is part and parcel of either.
 

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GameplayWhore said:
Hmm, now that I'm generally thinking about him, wasn't the last time we saw Jack the scene when he was hanging with Alonso? Might be groovy to see the two of them in new Torchwood.

Well, having a Doctor Who episode with Jack would easily solve the problem of how to get Jack back to Earth.
 

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Mr. Sam said:
RTD sort of retconned the "same man, different face" thing by having Tennant describe it as "like dying" and "someone else just walks off." Moffat has since retconned it back, insisting on the "same man, different face" angle in interviews. A slight personality shift is part and parcel of either.


I always took the view of Tennants Doctor to be his own perspective at the time; completely obsessed with his current state, how capable this incarnation of him is, and his impending 'death'. He was becoming a very interesting Doctor, it's a shame they've only really show these short of shifts when they're going to kill a doctor off.
 

Ravidrath

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mrklaw said:
And is it me, or are the companions way more tied to the doctor than in 'old' who? Rose, Donna and Amy pond have all been tightly linked with major events and affecting the doctor too, whereas before they were just along for the ride? Seems an odd coincidence.

I was thinking this the other day, too.

On one hand it's good for story purposes, but... it might be nice to not ALWAYS have the companion fill some last-minute, world-saving role.

Martha, as someone noted, was an exception, but only just. She was pretty important in the end of Season 3, but her turn of events was human and physical, instead of particle effects run amok.

She did continue to show up in UNIT episodes and Torchwood and was pretty crucial in those.

Surely there's a new balance to be found, though.
 
Mr. Sam said:
RTD sort of retconned the "same man, different face" thing by having Tennant describe it as "like dying" and "someone else just walks off." Moffat has since retconned it back, insisting on the "same man, different face" angle in interviews. A slight personality shift is part and parcel of either.

Both Moffat & Davies have talked about the Doctor being the same man after regeneration, even though the differences are blindingly obvious. And making regeneration like death is needed, otherwise the Doctor is an immortal god who can do anything.
 

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Dr Zhivago said:
Both Moffat & Davies have talked about the Doctor being the same man after regeneration, even though the differences are blindingly obvious. And making regeneration like death is needed, otherwise the Doctor is an immortal god who can do anything.


Still there was a huge tone difference between "You were fantastic, and you know what? So was I" and "I don't want to go :( "
 

Mr. Sam

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DrForester said:
Still there was a huge tone difference between "You were fantastic, and you know what? So was I" and "I don't want to die :( "
He said "I don't wanna go", as I think you're aware, and I agree.
 
DrForester said:
Still there was a huge tone difference between "You were fantastic, and you know what? So was I" and "I don't want to go :( "

I would say that underlines the personality difference between 9 & 10.
 
That last line still bothers me. It was so sad and left him feeling weak to me. Still the amazing music and blown up tardis blew me away.

I have that youtube video bookmarked.
 

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Dr Zhivago said:
I would say that underlines the personality difference between 9 & 10.


But the whole sacrifice thing. 9 & 10 both died sacrificing themselves to save someone. 9 did it happily, 10 seemed resentful that the had to save him. Really hurt my view of Tennant's doctor.
 

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DrForester said:
But the whole sacrifice thing. 9 & 10 both died sacrificing themselves to save someone. 9 did it happily, 10 seemed resentful that the had to save him. Really hurt my view of Tennant's doctor.
9's personality seemed to be primarily guilt dominated with the war and his belief that people around him are always going to die. His absolute joy during WWII when he solved a problem that didn't result in any deaths..
I dunno. I think that regeneration into 10 was almost like a clean slate for him. I viewed it as his healing process. He was ready to be happy again.

Whereas 10, although he had occasion for intense moments of sadness and wrath, was by and large the man he wanted to be. He would always be prepared to sacrifice that for someone else (and did, despite his whining), but he didn't want to because he was entirely happy with everything he was. Competent, brave, funny, charming, good looking... maybe he was worried he would be another 9, mired down with regrets and endless depression combined with a "daft old face".

I mean, if you knew that in a moment how you look, your personality and outlook on life were going to be irreparably changed, with only your memories and core morals (fringe morals subject to change with personality) in tact, wouldn't you be a touch upset? Unless, of course, you're not happy with your life, in which case there'd be little to no objection.

It is also a key storytelling trick - how do you make the immortal man feel vulnerable? Without his hesitation to regenerate, his desire to stay comfortable in the skin he has, all dramatic weight is removed from every perilous situation he is ever in. Instead of "oh, he'll be fine!", it's now "his life is going to uprooted and fucked up, a part of him will die as a new part is born". It's a happy occasion, but also a sad one. Like breaking up with your someone you love - you know you'll love again, and maybe even love more, but that doesn't make the event any less gut-wrenching and sad and something you want to avoid ever happening.
 

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Mr. Sam said:
I do believe it was Nickiepoo, yes. When was the new Primeval on? I don't like it nearly as much as Who but it's not my least favourite thing to watch either.

Not sure of the nights, taped them, but there's been 2 eps now probly over the last 2 nights
 

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For anyone in the USA, USA network is running a Law and Order SVU marathon and they're playing an episode with a certain River Song as a spunky defense attorney :lol .
 

BJK

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DrForester said:
For anyone in the USA, USA network is running a Law and Order SVU marathon and they're playing an episode with a certain River Song as a spunky defense attorney :lol .


...just like I'm sure TNT has a few years worth of ER episodes in which River Song plays a surgeon in Chicago. She's been on American TV for over a decade already.

(Having seen the entire Season 5 during Saturday's marathon....I can finally read Dr. Who threads without being worried someone will mention something I didn't want to know!)
 

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HolyCheck said:
OT, but just watched new primeval, super work :)

(i'm 99% sure it was you... or.. i'm confusing gaf members again :()

Cheers! Though I missed half the ep myself, will have to catch it on the ITV player if only so I can see the Raptor vs Spino scene. Crunch :(

Episode 3 is the one where I started making the anomalies so that's the one I'm looking forward to.
 

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Nickiepoo said:
Cheers! Though I missed half the ep myself, will have to catch it on the ITV player if only so I can see the Raptor vs Spino scene. Crunch :(

Episode 3 is the one where I started making the anomalies, so that's the one I'm looking forward to.

I'll make sure to point out to my mum "I know the guy that made them!"

mum: how?
me:... G2G INTERNET DUTIES
 
bobs99 ... said:
I hate to bring a downer on the thread - but David Tennants last episode was on TV just now, and the send off to the old cast was touching. It really is sad watching that know knowing that after a season its unlikely we will ever see any of them again. :(

Jack's obviously in Torchwood again now, and given how she's related to it and based in New York with Torchwood going stateside Martha could show up. Bigger than that, though, the way Moffat's spoken every time he's been asked about it, it does sound like he wants Jack to meet the Eleventh Doctor at least once. Given he's already handed 11 off to RTD for Sarah Jane Adventures once, I can easily see him asking RTD to make a gap somewhere in Jack's Torchwood storyline so he can jump back into Who. It's probably not gonna happen until after the River Song storyline is over, though, as they kind of fill the same role in the TARDIS crew.

So... Doctor Who Wedding? Tennant just got engaged to Georgia Moffet, The Sun reports. Pinch of salt as it's The Sun, but they're usually right on showbiz gossip like this.

For those who need reminding, she played Jenny in "The Doctor's Daughter", and she's the real life daughter of Peter Davison, the Fifth Doctor. That wedding will literally be choc full with people involved with the show. Crazy.

Mr. Sam said:
RTD sort of retconned the "same man, different face" thing by having Tennant describe it as "like dying" and "someone else just walks off." Moffat has since retconned it back, insisting on the "same man, different face" angle in interviews. A slight personality shift is part and parcel of either.

I think both are valid. Making it like death gives it a lot more weight, I think. It is the same man with a different face, yes - same memories, same brain and so on - but everything that makes him who he is - his personality and his looks - dies. There's a base-line moral code to The Doctor, too, but even that has edited drastically - the third was happy to roll around with the military and punch dudes for the greater good, but the Fourth ran away from that almost immediately, and the Tenth likewise dislikes the military, whereas Eleven seems less bothered about working with them. Vast swathes of his personality change, so I would say it is like a death.

The only way it can be described is to use a rather sad example - but someone I know had their aunt get seriously injured in a major car accident. She was in a coma at first, but then when she woke up she was a completely different person. She almost refused to acknowledge her daughters, husband and family, and despite therapy and all sorts the trauma had changed who she was and she couldn't live with her old life and she jetted off to another country about a year after being fully recovered to start a new life. She left everything behind; family, fully-grown kids, devastated husband. She had the memories, too - she could remember getting married, having the kids, honeymoons, birthdays, all sorts of memories - but she said to her, she was disconnected from them. It was like they'd happened to someone else, like they were events she'd attended or seen on TV.

For them, they say the door is always open to her, but they otherwise treat it as if she's dead, because that woman they knew and loved pretty much was. She was a completely different person, but with the same face. And that's how I think of regeneration.

If the above sort of interests you, a good book to read on that kind of subject is Richard Hammond (Top Gear) and his wife on his accident, as he too didn't recognise his wife (and kept insisting he had a wife, but she was French) or many of the things he loved in life like cars and machines. Thankfully for Hammond there was a trigger - his kids - and when he saw his kids everything else kind of fell back into place.
 
I bought the 5th season off of Amazon in HD for 13 bucks.
What extras are on the blu ray?
Either way i had to get my wife watching Dr. Who so we started all the way back at eccelston and i have seen up to halfway through season 5. The wait is going to kill me.
 
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