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[Lach]

I am very satisfied! Thank you Moffat.

[edit] removed the question for those who haven't seen it yet

 

[Trokil]

Moffat to critics: Haha fuck you.

Moffat

 

[DKehoe]

GET THE FUCK OUT

Seriously.
Godamn
To those who haven't seen it, the question is staring you in the face.

Spoiler

I realised that it was the Teselecta that "died" instead of the real Doctor when they were in the "previously..." part.

 

[StalkerUKCG]

Makes up for the crappy previous few episodes at least, next season needs to be more timey wimey

 

[Android18a]

Glad to see that Blue bloke back again, Dorian or whatever. I think he's great

Good finale actually. The hot-air-balloon-cars were silly but for the most part it was great. The sets in particular were exceptional for Who, I thought.

 

[Zomba13]

Wibbly wobbly indeed...

I want to know the question now...

Doctor who?

 

[wetflame]

It was incredibly obvious from the moment it cropped up in the "previously on Doctor
Who" section, but was still good to watch! Lots more mysteries carrying on to the next series too. Roll on Christmas!

 

[Thomper]

Steven Moffat, you glorious bastard.

 

[bengraven]

Fuuuuuuuck, I'm not going to be able to wait until tonight for BBCA.

Come on Britain, let Americans pay your horrid Imperial, godless anti-democratic license fee so we can get regular BBC.

 

[mclem]

I love the fourth-wall implications of The Question.

Spoiler

The oldest question in the Universe? Well, yes. In this universe, it's the first thing anyone ever saw

 

[Kyaw]

Doctor who?

Oh yeah, i mean... i don't know why i asked that question... ><

 

[Mama Robotnik]

More shows need Charles Dickens being interviewed by BBC News while "The Holy Roman Emperor Winston Churchill" is being seen to by his lizard doctor while dinosaurs roam his palace gardens. Yes.

 

[Clegg]

Someone will need to Gif the Doctors eyes near the end of the episode.

You know the bit I'm talking about.

So Good.

 

[Hot Coldman]

The Silence (as in, the monsters) were fantastic in this one. Creepy as hell. Burst out laughing when

Spoiler

the Doctor realises his other arm is full of Silence tallies

:lol

So, we've still got the Question to be answered- or rather, asked-, the Silence organisation are probably still a very real threat (and no doubt a replacement for the Daleks as go-to Doctor Who evil force in the future) and they still need to explain how they blew up the TARDIS, although let's face it, that question isn't anywhere as burning now we know who the Silence actually are. I wonder how River- or more likely Melody- will play into things.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

Only part I didn't like was the epilogue, so much was focused on "Hey, remember those guys from one episode that could turn into anyone... remember them? Here's another shot of them, not that they'll be important in this episode wink wink" that it gave it away.

 

[JonathanEx]

I love that it was essentially a clone. But not a ganger.

And the reference to Rory dying. And Bill and Sian.

Bit too much talky rather than solutions, still need to get used to that we don't have answered not as strong as the Big Bang, but loved it. Just didn't feel like a finale in some ways.

But did enjoy muchly. It's hard to say what I think of it as it's not standalone, just part of the ongoing plot.

 

[DieH@rd]

River knew the doctors name in that old Library episode... So im wondering now

Spoiler

when did she learn it? She didnt hear it from doctor in this ep...

Also i liked the scene with a Dalek at the beginning.

 

[BGBW]

I'm surprised the whole of Britain didn't cotton on to the fact something was wrong when all the trains were arriving on time.

 

[Incendiary]

I'm glad I missed the "previously on" part because the end truly surprised me and it was awesome. I love how the ganger solution was the obvious red herring the whole time. Pretty cool.

My question is, to those that have seen the finale:

Spoiler

Is Madame Kavorian dead completely now? Or did she only die in the alternate timeline?

That's the only part I'm unsure of.

 

[Trokil]

But did enjoy muchly. It's hard to say what I think of it as it's not standalone, just part of the ongoing plot.

That's for sure. There are still a lot of questions in the room:

Spoiler

River knows the Doctors name, so when will he tell her

What about Amy and Petrichor

What about Jim the Fish

 

[Hot Coldman]

River knew the doctors name in that old Library episode... So im wondering now

Spoiler

when did she learn it? She didnt hear it from doctor in this ep...

Also i liked the scene with a Dalek at the beginning.

He could have told her it, the main secret he wanted her to know was something he could show her whilst still saying his name. More likely, she learns his name when The Question Is Asked- or rather, the Silence learn it, and she learns it via them.

 

[Clegg]

I think its pretty clear that Moffat has a plan in place for next season.

The finale didnt really answer much. We still have the Question to be asked and the conflict between the Doctor and the Silence, The Tardis exploding etc.

I'm assuming this will all be answered next season.

 

[Trokil]

I'm glad I missed the "previously on" part because the end truly surprised me and it was awesome. I love how the ganger solution was the obvious red herring the whole time. Pretty cool.

My question is, to those that have seen the finale:

Spoiler

Is Madame Kavorian dead completely now? Or did she only die in the alternate timeline?

That's the only part I'm unsure of.

Spoiler

River told Amy that the timeline did not exist at all, she can only remember it. So she is still alive.

 

[JonathanEx]

My question is, to those that have seen the finale:

Spoiler

Is Madame Kavorian dead completely now? Or did she only die in the alternate timeline?

That's the only part I'm unsure of.

Alternative. But I think she/the Silence would believe the Doctor is dead?

 

[Kyaw]

So we seriously have no idea what the Doctor's name is?

It wasn't covered in ANY of the episodes in the entire series? What.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

That. Was. Epic

Moffat to critics: Haha fuck you.

Not a Ganger in sight.

As much as I was expecting it to be a Ganger im so frustrated that it ended up being that robot thing. Thats as cheap as a ganger and technically the Dr still didnt die so why the hell did time fix itself?

Honestly, im dissapointed. We had an hour long episode delving into alternate realities and so on for a conclusion which was about 5 minuites long. The episode was a huge deviation from the story and it felt like a huge cop out. Its almost as if Moffat knew he didnt really have a conclusive ending and so threw together a convulted season finale.

As much as im hating on it I enjoyed it, but one day I really hope Dr who pulls through with a satisfying conclusion to a complicated story.

EDIT: Im hoping that this build up to when the question is answered provides a good conclusion, it sure seems like Moffat is going to go into interesting territory.

 

[Lord British]

and the part referencing the Brigardier totally hit me like a brick

Same here. Manly tears.

 

[Trokil]

It wasn't covered in ANY of the episodes in the entire series? What.

No, never.

 

[Hot Coldman]

So we seriously have no idea what the Doctor's name is?

It wasn't covered in ANY of the episodes in the entire series? What.

No, it's never been mentioned. He always calls himself John Smith if he HAS to use a name, but you've seen how comfortable he is introducing himself as 'just' The Doctor. It's only since River showed up that series has paid it any attention at all, AFAIK.

 

[OMG Aero]

That's for sure. There are still a lot of questions in the room:

Spoiler

What about Amy and Petrichor

I don't think there is any deep meaning in this. Amy needed a name for her perfume and picked one that reminded her of the Doctor and/or that's what the perfume smells like.

 

[Thomper]

So we seriously have no idea what the Doctor's name is?

It wasn't covered in ANY of the episodes in the entire series? What.

There was actually plans for an elaborate set of stories in which the Doctor's past would be revealed. Doctor Who was cancelled before anything actually was put in, though. Still interesting to read: http://tardis.wikia.com/wiki/Cartmel_Masterplan

 

[Kyaw]

I actually want to know more about the Doctor's past and the history of the Time Lords.

 

[Gav]

Loved it. Great episode.

So. Old guy at the lake. Still dont know who he is?

 

[Mama Robotnik]

Loved it. Great episode.

So. Old guy at the lake. Still dont know who he is?

Spoiler

Canton Everett Delaware III

.

 

[Trokil]

No, it's never been mentioned. He always calls himself John Smith if he HAS to use a name, but you've seen how comfortable he is introducing himself as 'just' The Doctor. It's only since River showed up that series has paid it any attention at all, AFAIK.

No, they are dancing around the name thing for a long, long time already.

 

[Seven Force]

Loved how the Silence trolled Rory.

Spoiler

"The man who dies and dies again..."

:lol

 

[PowderedToast]

didn't really like this finale, it's probably my least favourite moffat episode. lot's of jumping around and talking when in the end it's all ultimately pointless, there's no drama, just a writer worming his way out of his own self-imposed restrictions. that's not fun and it certainly doesn't make me feel anything. i'm glad he's ditching the huge arcs for next season, although the end cliffhanger (yawn) implies otherwise. what frustrates me is the fact moffat feels the need to tease all these huge mysteries and questions in the first place. when you can write dialogue and character interaction as good as he can, you don't need this crap.

 

[Hot Coldman]

No, they are dancing around the name thing for a long, long time already.

Yeah, that's what I meant. This is the first time it's ever actually been a big plot point, though, right? Maybe some people into Classic Who can answer this?

 

[Trokil]

Loved how the Silence trolled Rory.

Spoiler

"The man who dies and dies again..."

:lol

Spoiler

But actually he is older than the Doctor, so he is making something right.

 

[Incendiary]

Alternative. But I think she/the Silence would believe the Doctor is dead?

Mmkay. And yeah, they think he's dead for now. But they'll probably crop up again once he starts having adventures and saving people. So what are the odds of Amy/Rory being the companions again next year? My guess is he's probably going to have a one-shot companion for Christmas while he's "laying low" and then...I dunno. I'd like to see a new companion with him. But it'll probably be Amy/Rory again.

As much as I was expecting it to be a Ganger im so frustrated that it ended up being that robot thing. Thats as cheap as a ganger and technically the Dr still didnt die so why the hell did time fix itself?

The way I see it, the Lake Silencio incident had to happen, the astronaut had to shoot the Doctor, but the Doctor didn't necessarily have to die there. See the blue head guy (don't remember his name) was talking about the Fall of the Eleventh before Lake Silencio even happened, so it seemed the Silence were trying to kill the Doctor to stop that event from happening. So it wasn't the Doctor's death that was a fixed point, but the attempt on the Doctor's life was the fixed point, because the fall of the Eleventh has to happen still too. If that makes any sense.

As for my opinion, I really liked the episode. I thought it brought things together nicely. I liked this season as much as last season, although I'm really waiting for Moffat to be over as showrunner so I can put together a final accurate River Song timeline.

EDIT: Also an interesting point I'm thinking about. Now we know what happens when people try to alter a fixed point in time. The Doctor obviously knew what was going on, so I wonder how many alternate timelines he's been a part of?

 

[Trokil]

About the name.

In Time of the Angels River writes Hello Sweety in Gallifreyan on the homebox.

In a good man goes to war she is seeing his crib. Could she know his name from there?

 

[Lazlo Woodbine]

It seems like Moffat hijacked the quality of the episode in order to perform a giant fuck you to the critics.

Worse then any RTD finale...and I don't say that lightly. Least fav Moffat episode by miles and I'm genuinely gutted at all the wasted plot threads. River was just acting THE WHOLE TIME LOL. ffs.

 

[King of the Potato People]

The previous footage ruined the twist by constantly showing the Teselecta and it was too convenient that it could mimic the complex, grand effects of a timelord regeneration. This was a disappointing twist considering how epic the rest of the episode was. I'll take almost anything over a ganger though, SM must be giggling at all the people who assumed it was.

Talking blue head, cars being ascended by balloons, bonkers, madness but a whole of fun! The last line 'Doctor Who?', the question that is the oldest in the universe, that was predictable too however it leaves open a tangle of fascination, it's going to be interesting next year to see how their conflict and future/past history is revealed and played out, and why they are devoted to him.

River's marriage wasn't what I expected at all.

Rankings!

TDW > TWORS > TGWW > TIA/DOTM > AGMGTW > LKH > TGC > TRF/TAP > NT > TCOTBS

Overall I enjoyed Season 5 more because of the light hearted fairy-tale feel and it was a little more unpredictable because of the new talent at the time.

Series 5 > 6 > 3 > 1 > 4 > 2

 

[Clegg]

Moffat is definitely playing the long game. I think he has Elevens next regeneration in mind. What will happen at Tranzalor? What exactly is " The Fall of the Eleventh"?

We now know that the Doctor is retreating back into the shadows after making himself very recognisable since the re-boot.

Now we'll have super spy Doctor next season!!

 

[Trokil]

Also an interesting point I'm thinking about. Now we know what happens when people try to alter a fixed point in time.

You can not, that's why time war got time locked.

The 10th Doctor also said it during Pompei, you can not change a fixed point in time.

 

[Seven Force]

Rankings!

TDW > TWORS > TGWW > TIA/DOTM > AGMGTW > LKH > TGC > TRF/TAP > NT > TCOTBS

What about Closing Time?

 

[Quick]

Now we'll have super spy Doctor next season!!

For England, James?

For Gallifrey, Doctor?

 

[Hot Coldman]

We now know that the Doctor is retreating back into the shadows after making himself very recognisable since the re-boot.

Now we'll have super spy Doctor next season!!

Yeah, I'm expecting a lot more of the stuff at the beginning of this episode and the beginning of 'Good Man'. The Doctor sneaking into Dalek hideouts, blowing their shit up, getting what he wants and getting the hell out unscathed. What Moffat does incredibly well is these almost montage-like sequences with the Doctor hopping across time, besting a huge variety of foes for information. It's cool, and boosts the show's sci-fi cred too, in terms of showing off all these alien worlds and peoples.

 

[bobs...onGaf]

It seems like Moffat hijacked the quality of the episode in order to perform a giant fuck you to the critics.

Worse then any RTD finale...and I don't say that lightly. Least fav Moffat episode by miles and I'm genuinely gutted at all the wasted plot threads. River was just acting THE WHOLE TIME LOL. ffs.

Thats my problem with it, all these intricately woven storylines without a conclusion that does them justice. The episode itself was extremely entertaining but it was essentially just a 50 minuite romp in an alternate dimension before having a very lazy easy solution which didnt match the rest of the episode.

I wonder how they are going to handle River Song now. She knows the Dr is still alive and no doubt he will look for her in his timestream, so her story will change now aswell.

I am interested in the grander story at play but eventually Moffat is going to have to wrap it all up and he seems very reluctant to do that!

 

[King of the Potato People]

What about Closing Time?

It's not worth a mention.