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Doctor Who Series 2011 |OT| Wibbly Wobbly Timey Wimey Stuff

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BatDan said:
You know how every season reintroduced a villain/monster from the classic series? Season 1: Daleks, Season 2: Cybermen, Season 3: The Master, Season 4: Sontarans, Season 5: Silurians.
Did they forget to do that this year? The closest we seem to got was the Minotaur in The God Complex being a descendant of the Nimon.

cybermats?
 

Ithil

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Freyjadour said:
Few of those ever turned out well, so I don't really think that's a problem with the series.
The Daleks, Cybermen, Master and Sontarans were all updated satisfactorily. The initial episode re-debut of the Cybermen and Sontarans were meh, but nothing wrong with the monsters.
 

OMG Aero

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isny said:
The Next Doctor says hi.
They aren't really cybermats.
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pxleyes

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Rewatched the finale tonight. Liked it much more the second time around. I think that in a lot of ways this is the Empire ending for the 11th. In a way it resets things. Tme for a new companion, sure, but his line about stepping back into the shadows should be pretty telling. I think next season will give us more personal adventures, less of the grand scale stuff we saw over the last two seasons. It should help keep the show fresh with a slightly different tone for a while. We will probably be back to some big finale by the end of next season, but I think a mysterious and secretive Doctor awaits us.

As for "the question?" I dont want to say it is obvious, but if we take those words literally I think there is only one question. "Who is the Doctor?" I don't think he knows something about his own past. I only came into the series in 05 so correct me if I'm wrong here, but it would explain a lot if the Doctor doesn't know his own lineage or maybe even his own real name.
 

mclem

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Nice touch on the boots. Although Woody's boot had a rather scrawled 'Andy' on it, which isn't quite reflected in 11's.
 

Ithil

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pxleyes said:
Rewatched the finale tonight. Liked it much more the second time around. I think that in a lot of ways this is the Empire ending for the 11th. In a way it resets things. Tme for a new companion, sure, but his line about stepping back into the shadows should be pretty telling. I think next season will give us more personal adventures, less of the grand scale stuff we saw over the last two seasons. It should help keep the show fresh with a slightly different tone for a while. We will probably be back to some big finale by the end of next season, but I think a mysterious and secretive Doctor awaits us.

As for "the question?" I dont want to say it is obvious, but if we take those words literally I think there is only one question. "Who is the Doctor?" I don't think he knows something about his own past. I only came into the series in 05 so correct me if I'm wrong here, but it would explain a lot if the Doctor doesn't know his own lineage or maybe even his own real name.
We never really found out that much about his past. We know he was a Time Lord, who stole a dated TARDIS (or it stole him) and went off to have adventures instead of staying in the stagnant Time Lord society. We know plenty of what happened after, but before, even after nearly 50 years, we've only bits and pieces. He was childhood friends with the Master, not a very good student, had a wife and at least one child (likely a son from things he's said), and at least one grandaughter, Susan, but nothing about the family. He has a real name but has never told it to anyone, not even his closest companions like Jamie, Sarah Jane or Rose. Moffat believes he has a very good reason for not telling anyone his name, and that it's a very dark secret. Other Time Lords like the Master probably knew his real name, but they've all come down with a bad case of dead.

They've kept up that mysterious past quite well. It's also clear he doesn't WANT to remember much about his past, or tell anyone. The family part is especially painful, it appears. Even as the Second Doctor he said he tries not to ever think about it, and now as the Eleventh he still avoids or brushes off any questions relating to it (the cot in AGMGTW was his, but was probably used for his own children and Susan as well).
 
Amy Pond/Karen Gillan is so cuuute, and quite funny as well!

Matt Smith is also great, taking the role after David Tennant, who grew to be terribly popular, was not easy, still he's doing pretty well and certainly going to further improve.
 

ultron87

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Gianni Merryman said:
Are those "Amy" writing on the soles of their shoes some kind of spoilers for series 6?

I'm pretty sure it's just a reference to Buzz and Woody having "Andy" written on their shoes in Toy Story.
 
ultron87 said:
I'm pretty sure it's just a reference to Buzz and Woody having "Andy" written on their shoes in Toy Story.

Which would technically make it a spoiler for series six (at least as far as River is concerned) as, much like Buzz and Woody belonged to Andy, both River and the Doctor "belong" to Amy (River as her daughter, the Doctor as one of her "boys").
 
Box of Bunnies said:
Which would technically makes it a spoiler for series six (at least as far as River is concerned) as, much like Buzz and Woody belonged to Andy, both River and the Doctor "belong" to Amy (River as her daughter, the Doctor as one of her "boys").

Mate, actually your explanation is a huge spoiler for whoever - including myself- haven't watched the first part of series 6 yet.
Not much damage done though, speaking for myself, since I am not obsessed with minor spoilers.
 

Blader

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Holy shit Box of Bunnies, are you for real? The guy clearly hasn't seen S6 and was worried about spoilers, why would you lay that out like that?
 
Blader5489 said:
Holy shit Box of Bunnies, are you for real? The guy clearly hasn't seen S6 and was worried about spoilers, why would you lay that out like that?

I'm not the one that wandered into a thread about something I haven't watched yet with a clearly laid out "there's gonna be unmarked spoilers here" policy in the opening post.

For what it's worth, I considered spoiler tagging it but have seen mods telling people off for doing so given the thread's policy.
 
Saw Confidential's attempt at piecing together River's story and it made me really look forward to

...getting another head writer for this show so she could disappear forever.
 
Ventilaator said:
Saw Confidential's attempt at piecing together River's story and it made me really look forward to

...getting another head writer for this show so she could disappear forever.

It's not really River's fault.
 
I decided to watch the Classic series from the start, since I've only ever seen a few Tom Baker episodes. I just watched the very first First Doctor episode, "The Unearthly Child". If anyone else is interested in rewatching the Classic series, we could do a new thread for the "rewatch" or "LTTP" for Classic Who. I have to do something to pass the time until next Fall!
 
MDavis360 said:
I decided to watch the Classic series from the start, since I've only ever seen a few Tom Baker episodes. I just watched the very first First Doctor episode, "The Unearthly Child". If anyone else is interested in rewatching the Classic series, we could do a new thread for the "rewatch" or "LTTP" for Classic Who. I have to do something to pass the time until next Fall!

There was already a thread like this. But it is always nice to see people showing interest in the classic series.
 
When I was a kid there was a Doctor Who episode (Tom Baker most likely) that featured someone looking into a fun-house style mirror. Reflected in the mirror was a snake skull or something similar and it said:

"Look at me. LOOK at me."

Anybody know what episode this was?

Also-Just watched the s6 finale last night. I can't stand River so I hope that the conclusion of her arc diminishes her participation somewhat. I'm becoming a big fan of Matt Smith though-love the trio of him and Amy/Rory. The explanation for the eye patches was fantastic.
 
gabbo said:
I don't want to clutter up this thread, but we've got a year or so until new Who...
I also recently watched The Unearthly Child, and quite liked the fact that the Doctor's kind of a dick. Not sure how to take his verbal abuse towards Susan, but I found the overall serial strangely enjoyable if a bit slow.

Susan always made the most awesome faces.
 

survivor

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radioheadrule83 said:
I just saw this posted on Google+

All of River Song's scenes in Chronological order, narrated by River herself. Its actually quite cool, this would have made a nice epilogue to the final episode, they should have shown it on TV imo...

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2011/10...-river-songs-timeline-in-chronological-order/
So he did tell her his name when he kissed her at the wedding? I thought some people were saying he only mentioned the eyes thing and not his name.
 
radioheadrule83 said:
I just saw this posted on Google+

All of River Song's scenes in Chronological order, narrated by River herself. Its actually quite cool, this would have made a nice epilogue to the final episode, they should have shown it on TV imo...

http://www.liveforfilms.com/2011/10...-river-songs-timeline-in-chronological-order/

That was awesome. Are there any other cool tidbits like this that I miss from not watching Confidential. I assume the rest of that show is more like a traditional making of show?
 

isny

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DieH@rd said:
Who-GAF, reccomend me some good Dr.Who audiobooks. Doctors 9-11 if you please.

You'll miss out if you don't listen to any from 8. Some crappy ones like Zagrius but there are some good ones as well. (Like 8th's version of Shada)
 
If anyone starts to feel Who-withdrawal, I heartily recommend the Big Finish audio plays. They mix the characters of the past with more modern pacing, and take The Doctor to darker and somewhat more cerebral places than the confines of the television show will allow.

Spare Parts is the showpiece of course, a Genesis of the Cybermen story staring the Fifth Doctor (who modern viewers will recognise from Time Crash) that is one of the most absorbing pieces of science fiction I've ever encountered. It explores the tragedy of Mondas, and the sad fate of its people during the fall.

The Holy Terror is very interesting indeed, starting off with some of the darkest, most murderous humour I've heard then transforming into something very special indeed. The best contrast I have is that its a vastly, vastly superior version of The God Complex

Davros, Omega and Master are three stunning pieces exploring the Doctor's most iconic arch-nemeses. They explore the sometimes pitiable and heroic backgrounds of these villains, juxtaposing flashbacks with their latest one-on-one with The Doctor. Really interesting way of giving these often shallow villains the depth they lacked.

Dalek Empire, Dalek Empire II and Dalek Empire III are brilliant, the stories of a small band of characters in a galaxy being overwhelmed by the Empire. Its a story of repression, paranoia and desperation, and the Daleks have never been as efficient, merciless and interesting. David Tennant takes the starring role in III.

Arrangements for War is one of my favourite Sixth Doctor stories, in which he and Evelyn land on a planet of good people whose technological advancement has taken then in the direction of a cold war about to get hot. People die who shouldn't die, and The Doctor demonstrates more passion and rage than we have ever seen in the TV series. Its brilliant.

Live 34 is an original piece of storytelling, in which we are hearing broadcasts of a distant future colony's radio station. We hear hints of repression and edited news broadcasts, there's a real discomfort beneath the surface here. We then hear of an opposition forming, lead by the strange brave leader Doctor John Smith. Its the Seventh Doctor of course, and if you know of his manipulative nature then you know that shit will go down.

I, Davros is the origin of the Daleks done bigger, exploring the races of Skaro from the perspective of the growing child prodigy Davros. Its a four-part piece exploring his childhood, adolescence, youth and age, and is very good at pulling you into its hateful world. Davros is played with infinitely more nuance and consideration than his recent TV appearance. Given the eventual fate of the Daleks and the Time Lords, life on Skaro provides an unsettling mirror to the Doctor's privileged upbringing.

There are loads more of course. I can't recommend them enough, there is some smart, masterful and engrossing stuff in here.
 

Sotha Sil

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Ok everyone, I've got a weird request: can you list your favorite non-Moffat episodes (from the 2005-2009 series)? I own the DVDs, and watched his episodes (which I probably shouldn't have done; I blame GAF and its Moffat hype machine). I then decided to marathon the show, but the beginning of season 1 was... not good (in my quite humble opinion), and I'd like to watch the best of Doctor Who.
 
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