I need to see The Doctor send her off to the Library, damn it.
We got pretty damn close in that one "Last Night" short.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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We got pretty damn close in that one "Last Night" short.
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Future Foundation
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This part in the new trailer gave me those vibes, specifically from her. Just look at that face.
That was in an alternate timeline that ceased to exist
Not if Clara is somehow River. *coughcough*
Future Foundation
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I think he'll stay faithful.
What's interesting is that most people so far think his relationship with Clara may become romantic.
Still seems like they're dating by "Last Night" however.
Future Foundation
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There's still references to them being married/dating, like River's "it's called marriage, sweetie" line in The Angels Take Manhattan.
"The cake collapses because of the melody."
PhoncipleBone
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This part in the new trailer gave me those vibes, specifically from her. Just look at that face.
That's because Jenna wants Matt. What woman doesn't?
And what straight man doesnt want Jenna?
True, they all flirt with him and kiss him. Even his mother in law and Captain Jack. LOL
PhoncipleBone
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Cumberbatch is happening.
EleventhDoctor
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He already had a three way with River....and himself.
Worthintendo
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4 month wait be damned,I've decided I'm not going to sit around and wait for new episodes of Dr Who to turn up in April, I've started an epic quest to go through and rewatch some of Classic Dr Who. Started tonight with the very first episode An Unearthly Child. Its been a good 7 or 8 years since I last saw the episode and I'm surprised at how well its held up compared to alot of older Who. The time really flew by and I didn't feel like there where any slow parts.
I've never really been a fan of Hartnell but I think that might be due to when I did see his eps I was alot younger and more interested in the more actiony Doctor's like Pertwee. Watching this now and being a more mature viewer I like his questioning nature, I can see elements of Matt Smith in him (well I guess its more the other way round). A Grumpy old man, happy to play games with those he sees as lesser, not giving them the answers and simply fobbing them off saying they wouldn't understand. The scene with Ian & Barbara asking him where Susan was in the Scrapyard was pretty good. Hartnell was on the ball with the character from Day one and you can really see that alot of the Doctor's personality traits where there from the get go.
Watching this really makes me appreciate how much of a throw back to the older Doctors Matt Smith has been and makes me like him that much more. I honestly think Matt is the perfect Doctor at this point, a great mix of the old mysterious, with dashings of comedy, great speech giving ability and just enough action when its required.
I'm debating whether to watch the rest of the starter episodes or go straight to The Daleks, I kinda recall not liking the other eps in the opening, but maybe time will give me the ability to enjoy them more.
I've never really been a fan of Hartnell but I think that might be due to when I did see his eps I was alot younger and more interested in the more actiony Doctor's like Pertwee. Watching this now and being a more mature viewer I like his questioning nature, I can see elements of Matt Smith in him (well I guess its more the other way round). A Grumpy old man, happy to play games with those he sees as lesser, not giving them the answers and simply fobbing them off saying they wouldn't understand. The scene with Ian & Barbara asking him where Susan was in the Scrapyard was pretty good. Hartnell was on the ball with the character from Day one and you can really see that alot of the Doctor's personality traits where there from the get go.
Watching this really makes me appreciate how much of a throw back to the older Doctors Matt Smith has been and makes me like him that much more. I honestly think Matt is the perfect Doctor at this point, a great mix of the old mysterious, with dashings of comedy, great speech giving ability and just enough action when its required.
I'm debating whether to watch the rest of the starter episodes or go straight to The Daleks, I kinda recall not liking the other eps in the opening, but maybe time will give me the ability to enjoy them more.
twilitesparklemotion
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What couple sitting at opposite ends of the fifth dimension would decide to be monogamous?
As of now, my personal canon says that this season is happening after he sends River to the library in Last Night.
Of course, I can't remember if River is supposed to be there at the fields of Trenzalore or not.
Hot Coldman
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It's OK, Moffat doesn't know either.
EndcatOmega
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The Tribe of Gum episodes? They're... not particularly good. Not Web Planet/Gunslingers bad, but fairly dull and ponderous even for Doctor Who. I don't think giving them another go would change anyone's opinion on them, honestly.
If they don't show River's farewell at the singing towers of Darillium on TV then Moffat has failed.
Eh. I suspect anything they could possibly show would only disappoint people.
Then Moffat fails either way then?
I'm not too sure I agree with you anyways. The farewell scene between the Doctor and the Ponds was handled pretty well, so it's not like they have a bad track record.
Yep, and it will be disappointing if that's all we get. Fans will probably riot if River just suddenly vanishes off screen with no farewell.
Napoleonthechimp
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That guy is way too much of an up-and-coming big name now.
That wasn't built up like "the singing towers". Whatever they do they're going to shatter some preconceptions about what that was, what it looked like, what they did, etc. With Amy and Rory we knew they were going but we knew absolutely nothing about how and why.
SitL is enough of a final parting for me. After seeing the rest of their story those episodes are imbued with a whole new life, and that's really fantastic.
Well, even if I'm disappointed by the final scene because I imagined a better scene in my head, at least I would be content knowing that tried. As I said before, not even showing the farewell scene would be the most disappointing thing they could do.
Of course it would. It's not the last time for River Song but it's the last time the Doctor would ever see her and probably the last time the audience would ever see her. It's absolutely a huge goodbye.
Neither of those things actually follow.
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No it wouldn't be. They see each other out of order.
Well, if the Doctor says farewell and River pops up a few episodes later then I'd agree the emotional weight would be removed.
(it would also be horrible storytelling from Moffat)
I think narratively it may be true that if they ever go there it'll be the last time we see River, at least and especially played by Alex Kingston, but I don't think it's safe to assume it's the last time the Doctor saw her.
But I disagree that showing it badly is better than not showing it at all, and literary history is littered with substories best left to the imagination. There's nothing wrong with that, imagination is powerful. I absolutely disagree that it would be a failure to make this one of those things.
Well of course, my mistake to write that. After all, it's a time traveling show. We also had the Doctor past Rose after she was locked away in a parallel dimension I remember. I'm sure they could contrive a way to being Amy and Rory back or any companion the Doctor has ever travelled with. Now that I think about it the emotional weight of companion farewells has never been reduced even though we've seen them again, so that still stands.
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Well, let's just agree to disagree on this. There are definitely instances where things are better left to the imagination. I don't think this is one of them. Either way it's up to Moffat but I think he'll film it because he'll want to show how he set the moment up years in advance.
Worthintendo
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Yeah thats what I'm thinking, but I'm sort of interested in them just to see how Ian & Babara react to everything, but its really tempting to just jump straight into the Daleks.
KuwabaraTheMan
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I liked the cavemen episodes. I've always thought that An Unearthly Child works best with all four episodes. It's important to see the contrast between the Doctor's reaction to Ian and Barbara and their reaction to the cavemen.
Exterminieren
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Are you calling The Gunslingers bad?
I'll fight you. Preferably with The Ballad of the Last Chance Saloon playing in the background.
If we're all giving opinions for the River "good-bye" stuff, I think it's best handled mostly off-screen. We already know what happens from SitL, no need for that again. I think it would best be done as the coda to whatever the "Fall of the 11th" is. Perhaps he's fighting off a regeneration when River casually remarks a new job at some library. The Doctor will feel that emotional weight, perhaps a quick flashback can help those who have forgotten. The Doctor says there's something he wants to show her first as the camera pulls back on the TARDIS, ending the episode.
Simple, but still effective. Those wondering what the flashback was about can be pointed towards Netflix/iPlayer.
Simple, but still effective. Those wondering what the flashback was about can be pointed towards Netflix/iPlayer.
The Real Abed
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"the last time I saw you - the real you, the future you, I mean - you turned up on my doorstep with a new haircut and a suit. You took me to Darillium to see the Singing Towers. What a night that was. The towers sang and you cried. You wouldn't tell me why, but I suppose you knew it was time. My time. Time to come to the Library. You even gave me your screwdriver. That should have been a clue."
If they can pull that off, it will be the most amazing heartbreaking episode. I hope they hold it as long as possible though. Does it have to be during Eleven's run? Probably not. But still. I'll hate when it comes because it means it'd probably be the last time we also see River... or would it have to be? I mean it would have to be after a goodbye like that having her show up again would be like bringing Rory and Amy back. Don't do it! J.D. didn't need to come back to Scrubs but he did anyway even after a touching farewell. Amy and Rory don't need to come back to Doctor Who. Even for ratings. And River should stay away when that time comes too.
I like River. So I'm not eager to see her go. But I am eager to see the episode she described. Just title it "Singing Towers" and the fans will know what's coming. Maybe have it happen as part of Eleven's death. Would give it a reason to happen. Maybe he knows he's going to die anyway so spare her the heartbreak and send her back.
Also... doorstep? She has a house? But they're married. Do they ever even spend time together as a married couple?
If they can pull that off, it will be the most amazing heartbreaking episode. I hope they hold it as long as possible though. Does it have to be during Eleven's run? Probably not. But still. I'll hate when it comes because it means it'd probably be the last time we also see River... or would it have to be? I mean it would have to be after a goodbye like that having her show up again would be like bringing Rory and Amy back. Don't do it! J.D. didn't need to come back to Scrubs but he did anyway even after a touching farewell. Amy and Rory don't need to come back to Doctor Who. Even for ratings. And River should stay away when that time comes too.
I like River. So I'm not eager to see her go. But I am eager to see the episode she described. Just title it "Singing Towers" and the fans will know what's coming. Maybe have it happen as part of Eleven's death. Would give it a reason to happen. Maybe he knows he's going to die anyway so spare her the heartbreak and send her back.
Also... doorstep? She has a house? But they're married. Do they ever even spend time together as a married couple?
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You already get the Doctor. Let us lady-lovers have the companion.
Uuuh no. Never was attracted to any of the doctors. We need a guy who is as sexy as Adric was on the show.
This also means he'll have her sonic by then, so when we see it appear we know the time is coming.
AlphaDragoon
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Casual watcher here, I've seen scattered episodes here than there (and enjoyed them all), I now plan to go catch up on Netflix. But I did watch The Snowmen, great episode.
And oh my word, Clara. I'm in love.
And oh my word, Clara. I'm in love.
Worthintendo
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Yeah just watched the second ep of the Beginning today. Its not as bad as I remembered. Kind of wished there was more with The Doctor and his companions but most of the ep seemed to be with the Cavemen arguing about fire and what not. Was kinda interesting to see the politics of this Cavemen tribe with the 2 trying to be leader, but would have liked it to be more about the Doctor.
Also was a funny twist to see The Doctor be the one who gets in trouble and everyone goes off to save him, usually its the other way around. Susan is already kinda annoying though, just screams "Grandfather" alot. Onto episode 3 me thinks.
Future Foundation
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So, with the 50th (and the number of retrospective articles & lists) coming, I was wondering if Who-GAF was thinking of making it's own "Best of DW" list?
Anything with Wilf in it earns a top spot on said list.
Bobby Roberts
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Wrote mine back when Jenna-Louise Coleman was announced as the new companion:
http://blogtown.portlandmercury.com.../doctor-who-the-top-ten-companions-since-2005
isny said:
You will like my list, then.
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