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[RedShift]

The problem with River is that in the Library and Series 5 she's all cocky and is happy to tease the Doctor and everything, and you think she must have gone through loads of stuff to earn that confidence, but then we find out she was just always like that from the moment she met him.

Basically we never got to see her get any reverse character development.

 

[Hot Coldman]

People are disrespecting Jackie in here?

Be warned.

STITCH THIS, MATE

 

[GulAtiCa]

Damn, it hurts to be one of the only people here who really likes River

I like River too.

 

[Zeouterlimits]

I'm working off selective memory on that one since I kinda liked it the first time through and don't want to go back and ruin it.

RTD, rose tinted doctor.

 

[smarties00]

Alright which one of you put up the fake torrent that was actually love and monsters?

 

[infiniteloop]

Someone should edit The Twin Dilemma into 45 mins and upload that.

 

[Earendil]

Don't worry Fiction, I have your back!

Same here. Personally, I quite like River.

Yay!

I love how everyone is so all over the place in this thread. We seriously all like different things/dislike different things, and never the twain shall meet. It makes for some awesome discussion. Also, how we don't get all crazy and start yelling at each other over a difference of opinion.

Rule #58 of the Internet: No matter how much you love something, someone else will think it's rubbish. And something you think is rubbish will be adored by many others.

 

[liquidtmd]

The problem with River is that in the Library and Series 5 she's all cocky and is happy to tease the Doctor and everything, and you think she must have gone through loads of stuff to earn that confidence, but then we find out she was just always like that from the moment she met him.

Basically we never got to see her get any reverse character development.

Very much so. We are 'told' things but not shown them in terms of character development.

Like in Red Letter Medias critique of the prequels - we are told and expected to believe Obi and Anakin are 'good friends', but bar a few snarky interchanges, as an audience we have no proof or justification to buy this over the course of the series.

As such, as an audience member, why should we care when it comes to payoff time?

 

[FillerB]

Very much so. We are 'told' things but not shown them in terms of character development.

There is a reason River didn't get any character development and that's because of her asynchronous timeline gimmick.

 

[EleventhDoctor]

I could be alone, but I was hoping for a few more episodes of "Evil River" from Let's Kill Hitler before she reformed.

 

[Avixph]

I could be alone, but I was hoping for a few more episodes of "Evil River" from Let's Kill Hitler before she reformed.

I think she should have been shown to be evil since the start of series 5.

 

[Diablos54]

I could be alone, but I was hoping for a few more episodes of "Evil River" from Let's Kill Hitler before she reformed.

Most disappointing part of the whole River storyline to me, it would have been nice to have River start evil and slowly turn leading her to the library.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Someone should edit The Twin Dilemma into 45 mins and upload that.

Loop Dimensions in Time for 45 minutes

 

[TheOMan]

Also, it gave us a perfect example of the amazing rage of Eleven that I talked about above:

http://youtu.be/HUZ50cAk_Lk

Welp, that video was blocked for me, but I did a search for Colonel Runaway...Soooooooo good. I didn't like 11 at first, but boy has he won me over.

Damn, it hurts to be one of the only people here who really likes River

You aren't alone - I love River Song. Haters can hate all they want, doesn't change the fact that she's fantastic!

 

[Avixph]

Most disappointing part of the whole River storyline to me, it would have been nice to have River start evil and slowly turn leading her to the library.

Most definitely.

 

[The Technomancer]

the parting of ways ,doomsday, last of the time lords, the entire series 4 finale, the end of time - granted the "awesome" set pieces were decidedly less awesome - the intent was still there though -

Is there any bigger offender than the stolen earth cliffhanger and its resolution?

I don't feel like any of those are very high on the non-sequiter count. Yes they have their very very dumb moments, but nothing quite comes close to "taking an old style train into a secret base hidden in the pyramids" levels of sheer "that is really dumb and was clearly shoehorned in because someone thought it looked cool"

 

[EleventhDoctor]

I'm getting antsy for this leak. Come on people!!

 

[JonathanEx]

Alright which one of you put up the fake torrent that was actually love and monsters?

Hahahahaha oh that's good.

 

[RetroMG]

I go back and forth on River. Sometimes I love her, sometimes I hate her.

As someone else in this thread said once, River is best when she's a companion, and the story isn't actually about her. The exception to this in my mind is Lets Kill Hitler, because while it is actually an incredibly dumb episode, I love it dearly. Particularly, I love Evil River, who is also Hot River.

I do think after this season, and maybe the 50th, she should go. At least for a while.

 

[Hot Coldman]

Alright which one of you put up the fake torrent that was actually love and monsters?

YES

IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

 

[PalaceBrother]

YES

IT ACTUALLY HAPPENED

Did you just quote him to be mean?

 

[maharg]

I don't feel like any of those are very high on the non-sequiter count. Yes they have their very very dumb moments, but nothing quite comes close to "taking an old style train into a secret base hidden in the pyramids" levels of sheer "that is really dumb and was clearly shoehorned in because someone thought it looked cool"

To be fair, the entire premise of the episode is that nonsense is happening.

 

[Smelly Tramp]

if the cybermen had that super speed ability why did they just stand there and take the raygun shit when clara and that fat soldier were firing them? why couldn't they just zoom past them and destroy the castle?

thought the episode was absolutely terrible.

 

[Htown]

I don't feel like any of those are very high on the non-sequiter count. Yes they have their very very dumb moments, but nothing quite comes close to "taking an old style train into a secret base hidden in the pyramids" levels of sheer "that is really dumb and was clearly shoehorned in because someone thought it looked cool"

not even literally pulling the Earth through space like the tardis is a tractor trailer?

 

[nckillthegrimace]

if the cybermen had that super speed ability why did they just stand there and take the raygun shit when clara and that fat soldier were firing them? why couldn't they just zoom past them and destroy the castle?

thought the episode was absolutely terrible.

Cybermen ruin everything.

 

[wwm0nkey]

not even literally pulling the Earth through space like the tardis is a tractor trailer?

Yeah that was.....well yeah.

 

[Dr Zhivago]

not even literally pulling the Earth through space like the tardis is a tractor trailer?

The Tardis that has an EXPLODING STAR inside it?

 

[EleventhDoctor]

if the cybermen had that super speed ability why did they just stand there and take the raygun shit when clara and that fat soldier were firing them? why couldn't they just zoom past them and destroy the castle?

thought the episode was absolutely terrible.

I love Doctor Who and I love Neil Gaiman-but that episode was a mess.

 

[Keyser Soze]

I love that it sill has not leaked.

Steven will be so happy - he may hug someone!

 

[Seasoned Badger]

I love that it sill has not leaked.

Steven will be so happy - he may hug someone!

The chance of the finale coming out before air date is 0.00000000000001%. That's my bet.

 

[the chris]

I love that it sill has not leaked.

Steven will be so happy - he may hug someone!

 

[bengraven]

The chance of the finale coming out before air date is 0.00000000000001%. That's my bet.

It's definitely out there, but I doubt 99% of us would know how to access it even if we wanted.

Which is for the better. Keep it and spoilers to yourselves newsgroups.

 

[Hot Coldman]

the vaguest facial expression since the Mona Lisa

 

[maharg]

The chance of the finale coming out before air date is 0.00000000000001%. That's my bet.

Oh wow, are you ever an optimist.

 

[Exterminieren]

I don't doubt that it'll get out there.

Whether it'll become widely known is the trick, though.

 

[Mariolee]

On one hand, I want to know what happens so I'm really pushing for the leak. On the other hand, I want it to be a surprise and the waiting will make it all the more better.

 

[Fuu]

I don't even feel conflicted, BBC America done goofed and I want that leak stat.

 

[Keyser Soze]

A new contender has arrived!

Is it fake?

 

[RetroMG]

A new contender has arrived!

Is it fake?

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I'm at work, so I have nothing better to do than refresh this thread.

 

[Keyser Soze]

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I'm at work, so I have nothing better to do than refresh this thread.

I am not touching it myself, altough it is getting download and getting commented on . It seems no on knows what it is yet - other than the typical stupid internet comments ("fake and gay")

 

[Keyser Soze]

LOL

 

[IdreamofHIME]

The worst thing about it leaking would be the ethics of UK newspapers and how they just love spoiling stuff. They'll stick it in there in giant writing and you'll be borked.

 

[infiniteloop]

I would think it would hit the newsgroups, before the torrents.

 

[smarties00]

A new contender has arrived!

Is it fake?

Really hoping its real but I'm doubtful.

Embargo lifted for promo pics for the episode btw. The

Spoiler

Whispermen

look fucking great.

Promos

 

[Exterminieren]

Ha,

Spoiler

the Whispermen are wearing exactly the same clothes as Dr. Simeon.

 

[isny]

So if the finale is as what's been spoiled,

Spoiler

what happened to the dalek episode that the playset spoiled?

 

[Symphonic]

Spoiler

So if the finale is as what's been spoiled, what happened to the dalek episode that the playset spoiled?

Dude, spoiler that. Confirms that

Spoiler

daleks aren't in the finale

 

[infiniteloop]

So if the finale is as what's been spoiled, what happened to the

Spoiler

dalek episode

that the playset spoiled?

It wasn't in an episode, hence it being shown at the Toy Fair.

 

[isny]

Dude, spoiler that. Confirms that

Spoiler

daleks aren't in the finale

I went back and did, but you still have it quoted, lol

 

[gunstarhero]

I love Doctor Who and I love Neil Gaiman-but that episode was a mess.

This whole 2nd half of the season has been mostly a mess.

But man, THAT episode was horrendous.