I like that a lot. The (book) sequel to the (book) Forrest Gump does something similar; the first book is made into a film in-universe and the differences between the movie and the book are accounted for as executive meddling.
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Doctor Who Series Seven |OT| The Question You've Been Running From All Your Life
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I like that a lot. The (book) sequel to the (book) Forrest Gump does something similar; the first book is made into a film in-universe and the differences between the movie and the book are accounted for as executive meddling.
The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances 'doesn't have villains', and it's still one of the finest stories.
infiniteloop
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infiniteloop
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will download and have a look
equippedwithtowel
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It has a strong antagonist, same difference.
EleventhDoctor
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That's a problem in pretty much all of 7b episodes unfortunately. It feels like all scripts aside from Bells and Name were written for "generic companion" because the writers weren't sure of who would be featured or what personality the character would have when they penned it.
Jenna is adorable and Oswin/Clary Poppins were good, but Clara really brought the half-season down to me.
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Dammit-I hate to be the guy who nitpicks the show, BUT...If The Silence thought the Doctor died on the Lake....then why were they dedicated to protecting his tomb from opening on Trenzalore?
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If the Silence were able to find out he didn't actually die, what better place to get him this time/stop the universe from going pear-shaped because he was suddenly erased from it than the one place in the universe all of only maybe three, four creatures in said universe (He, River, Susan, and maybe Rose) know the way in.
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I've never actually seen this movie, but have heard of it...
peanutbutterlatte
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... if they thought they killed him by the Lake, he'd never reach Trenzalore. Obviously though, self-fulfiling prophecy, they were wrong.
The Technomancer
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They thought they could kill him early. Which is really dumb. What if he saves the universe after the point where you try and kill him guys?
This kind of stuff is really why I wish the show hadn't begun to focus on "metatime"
Well, uh, can't really poke many holes in that theory. I think you should contact Moffat and have him find you some sort of job. Only thing it doesn't explain is why the tomb had the console of the 11th unless he really is the last.
obin_gam
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The only sad thing about the Twilight series being over - no more Twilight Rifftrax
PhoncipleBone
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The only sad thing about the Twilight series being over - no more Twilight Rifftrax
I love how they saved the "Line?" gag for almost the entire running time of Breaking Dawn Part 2. It made the payoff worth it.
EliteArtist
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Just wanted to say this, but Doctor Who better bring back the razzle dazzle next series if it wants me to continue watching. This past series was sooo lackluster and methodical that it's literally frustrating for myself to watch.
So many factors are involved in this, but good lord. Even the slightest change would help.
So many factors are involved in this, but good lord. Even the slightest change would help.
Exterminieren
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That's a decent exchange for his entire timeline unstitching itself and the universe repeatedly ending, which is what they thought would happen.
Oh, before I forget, if I can perhaps be a little smug (although I had so many theories that you'd have to assume one of them might have some semblance of correctness):
23rd April:
Edit: More Strax, post-finale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qYWghABqh3w
23rd April:
Edit: More Strax, post-finale: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=qYWghABqh3w
Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the battle-hardened warrior line does seem to further confirm the 'regeneration between 8 and 9' thing.
Hot Coldman
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Yeah, "battle-hardened warrior" is too on the nose, me thinks
EleventhDoctor
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Well she does keep all the console rooms on a backup.
My GF keeps telling me she's excited about Doctor Who this weekend, knowing full well it's not back until November.
What a bitch, stop testing me- the wait is already bad enough!
My girlfriend refuses to watch it anymore. She's given up. And to be fair, with the duds this season, I certainly don't blame her.
APZonerunner
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I see this a lot, but I really don't think it's the case, mainly because the Cloister Bell is going in that room which really suggests the destruction of the TARDIS and/or the Timeline Collapse that could cause. I don't know that anything the Hurt Doctor may have done - to end the war, for instance - would cause the Cloister Bell to go off specifically.
I don't remember the Cloister Bell in this, must try to watch it again.
Hot Coldman
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Pfft, I'll be surprised if the Cloister Bell NEVER went off during the Time War. You just know there was some reality-ending shit prepared to be used by both sides. Heck, the first thing Davros did after being dragged out of the Time War is say "welp, time to blow up ALL UNIVERSES".
Zeouterlimits
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Watched ATCM again.
The episode has its strengths, namely when Jax/the actor has someone to play off of, but like a lot of this season, it has an unsatisfying ending.
The episode has its strengths, namely when Jax/the actor has someone to play off of, but like a lot of this season, it has an unsatisfying ending.
The impending loss of Gallifrey would seem like the ideal situation wherein the Cloister Bell would sound. Even if it is not "hardcoded" as a sort of recall-signal for any absent Time Lord to assist in saving Gallifrey, then the TARDIS losing access to its own primary repair shop (thereby threatening its own continued existence) would surely count.
infiniteloop
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I kinda like Silver Nemesis because it's so batshit crazy.
APZonerunner
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Well, yeah, true enough. I just think if the suggestion of that room was intended to be a vague point towards the Doctor himself, it would have been something else. The Cloister Bell to me suggests the TARDIS or its inhabitants in mortal danger, which I really do think is his greatest fear. I think the "Who else?" is, again, for her -- this is a mere few episodes after the Doctor's Wife, at all, that thematic thread is still strong in the memory.
That scene is intentionally vague, though, of course - that's just my personal perception of it.
The Technomancer
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I go back and forth between thinking the Doctor's biggest fear/enemy being himself is nice and in character and thinking that its really dumb and cliche ("he's so awesome that his biggest fear is himself")
Hot Coldman
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That theory works too. I suppose it does make more sense that way- depends on who wrote that little bit of dialogue, whether that was Whithouse or Moffat.
equippedwithtowel
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It really hinges on how much Hurt sells his character.
He needs to fucking personify menace for it to work.
peanutbutterlatte
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Dude, this is John Hurt we're talking about.
I'm expecting Hurt's Doctor to not be so much a moustache twirling villain as more of a Knight Templar (Warning, TV Tropes).
His only line so far pretty much epitomises the idea.
His only line so far pretty much epitomises the idea.
The Cloister Bell just indicates that there's something so bad going on that the TARDIS is in danger. It doesn't necessarily mean that the universe is exploding or whatever. It sounded when the TARDIS was stuck travelling back in time to the Big Bang too in Castrovalva.
peanutbutterlatte
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Yeah, the moralities of The Doctor taken to their very extremes, perhaps.
Hot Coldman
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Probably pushed further beyond, even. He's done some dark shit, and I bet he's surprisingly OK with it in the moment.
Then he regenerates, and he's like "Oh god, I was a monster!".
peanutbutterlatte
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I'm really betting Moffat's going to push the whole "regenerations are different people sharing the same memories" thing.
I do note that the cloister bell was ringing when he entered his TOMBDIS; could he not have seen a threat about to enter his timeline, much like happened here?
That's a fair point. We're not dealing with The Master here, just someone doing what's necessary but defying his morals to do so. Similar to Tennant in his whole Time Lord Victorious phase but from a different direction; one killed millions to preserve the universe, the other jeopardised the universe to save a few.
Exterminieren
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Hot Coldman
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I really hope Tennant is post-Waters of Mars in the 50th, then. I want to see those extremes clash.
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