Son.Ralph.Funk
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I've been playing with nunchuk/wiimote, but how does it work with wiimote on it's side? With the nunchuck there is analog movement. Do you hold down attack to run with wiimote on side?
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Donkey Kong Country Returns |OT| Retro Studios Has Done It Again!
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Son.Ralph.Funk
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Jintor said:
I wasn't asking how you roll with Wiimote on it's side, I was asking how you run (instead of walking slowly). With the nunchuck there is at least several different walking/running speeds.
No mind, I'll read the instruction booklet (which I haven't even touched).
Windom Earle
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heringer said:Can't say I'm enjoying this.
I don't know, the controls are just too loose for my liking. I like platformers with crazy precise controls. DKR controls just feels unresponsive to me, and I'm not talking about the waggle.
Oh well.
What? The game is crazy precise. Use NES control scheme.
schennmu said:
It's not like there's lag to an imput, it's just the way the physics of the game were made to behave. It doesn't have that split second responsiveness of New Super Mario Bros or Super Meat Boy because Donkey Kong is supposed to be heavy and the game tries to reproduce the feeling of a heavy gorilla running and jumping. It's a design choice for sure, but one that I can't say I like.
loose? of all the platformers in the world dkc returns is loose? it's really damn tight if you ask me. even nsmb wii had looser controls than this and that was a great game. also: loose/floaty =/= unprecise. both are not mutually exclusive.
i'm wondering how anyone who loves 2d platformers, especially nsmb wii, could give this a 4/10. pretty baffling. and the complaint about not enough platforming seems kinda weird too. there is SO MUCH excellent 2d platforming in this game. i think mario galaxy 2 had way more distracting non-platforming sections: the bird levels, the bowling stuff, the ice skating mini games with the monkey, the ball rolling levels, the on-rails underwater levels with the turtle shell, the slides, the sand skating etc.
i'm wondering how anyone who loves 2d platformers, especially nsmb wii, could give this a 4/10. pretty baffling. and the complaint about not enough platforming seems kinda weird too. there is SO MUCH excellent 2d platforming in this game. i think mario galaxy 2 had way more distracting non-platforming sections: the bird levels, the bowling stuff, the ice skating mini games with the monkey, the ball rolling levels, the on-rails underwater levels with the turtle shell, the slides, the sand skating etc.
I can see what he means. DK definitely has a lot of weight to him, especially when he's in the air. It's not as easy to adjust your jumps when you're already in the air as it is in other platformers. And on ground, it takes DK a little while to get up to speed or change directions.
I think it's something you get used to, though.
Still, I wish there was a Diddy mode. I fiddled around with him a bit by just booting up a 2-player game and killing off DK, and he felt nice and quick. That's not a really good solution though, since you have to kill off DK again every time you die, and on top of that, you'll occasionally be interrupted by a message informing you that the first player controller has turned off.
Really, fiddling around with Diddy, it makes less and less sense that there isn't a Diddy mode. At first I thought it might be because DK can do some things that Diddy couldn't and having Diddy only would require them to do some new animations. But nope, Diddy can do everything DK can. Pound, blow, he even has his own animation for riding Rambi. Then I thought that maybe it was for cutscenes because they were prerendered and they already had DK and DK+Diddy versions and didn't want to do a third Diddy only version, but that's not it either. As far as I can tell, they're realtime, and they work fine with Diddy only.
So I dunno. It seems like a really weird omission. Hopefully someone will come up with a Gecko code for a Diddy mode.
I think it's something you get used to, though.
Still, I wish there was a Diddy mode. I fiddled around with him a bit by just booting up a 2-player game and killing off DK, and he felt nice and quick. That's not a really good solution though, since you have to kill off DK again every time you die, and on top of that, you'll occasionally be interrupted by a message informing you that the first player controller has turned off.
Really, fiddling around with Diddy, it makes less and less sense that there isn't a Diddy mode. At first I thought it might be because DK can do some things that Diddy couldn't and having Diddy only would require them to do some new animations. But nope, Diddy can do everything DK can. Pound, blow, he even has his own animation for riding Rambi. Then I thought that maybe it was for cutscenes because they were prerendered and they already had DK and DK+Diddy versions and didn't want to do a third Diddy only version, but that's not it either. As far as I can tell, they're realtime, and they work fine with Diddy only.
So I dunno. It seems like a really weird omission. Hopefully someone will come up with a Gecko code for a Diddy mode.
Wtf I had to encounter the same boss twice and found a nasty bug
This game is good, but not as great as NSMBWii. Some levels are just bad and not fun at all. 'Yay everything collapses around you!' ugh. There's no difficulty curve at all and the game is just a random unassorted mess of platform levels and control issues with a jungle theme. Not to mention the bosses, some are copied from Jungle Beat, others are copied in the game itself. Obviously rushed for the holiday season.
This game is good, but not as great as NSMBWii. Some levels are just bad and not fun at all. 'Yay everything collapses around you!' ugh. There's no difficulty curve at all and the game is just a random unassorted mess of platform levels and control issues with a jungle theme. Not to mention the bosses, some are copied from Jungle Beat, others are copied in the game itself. Obviously rushed for the holiday season.
wtf. if there's one thing this game isn't, it's rushed. it had a fairly long development time for a 2d platformer and there's so much polish and attention to detail.[Nintex] said:
seriously, uh, what game are you playing? this sounds nothing like the dkc returns I'M playing.[Nintex] said:
DieNgamers
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The cliff is my favourite world in the whole game. All the stuff happening in the background and foreground, collapsing platforms included. :O Don't forget the fossils and dinosaurs! I'm loving it and the level of polish is amazing! I also love the fact that he doesn't float around like mario. The feeling of weight is just right for me.[Nintex said:
every other boss in the original dkc was a clone and they all had extremely simplistic patterns and went down super fast. the "re-used" boss in dkcr you mention had many completely new attacks and behaved very differently overall. the fight as a whole played out uniquely too with how the terrain kept collapsing. it was also the only instance of a re-used boss (i wouldn't even call it that personally) that i encountered so far.[Nintex] said:
compare that to most of the classic mario games, which had endlessly recycled boss battles with only small changes and a very limited set of easily avoidable attacks. even the koopa kids were sprite swaps with minor differences in attack patterns. and the (superior) nsmb wii's koopalings were all very similar as well, just increasingly harder, a bit faster, with one or two new attacks etc. (that didn't really hurt the game much though and wasn't a sign of it being "rushed" or "unpolished".)
dkc returns on the other hand has really unique boss fights that all play out differently from one another. different terrain, unique patterns and strategies, climbing, jumping, throwing items, rolling etc. the bosses have a multitude of different attacks and they mix up their patterns all the time. they also require some patience to defeat, which i appreciate, since most 2d platformers have throwaway bosses that go down in 3 hits, before you ever get to see all of their attacks.
i also really enjoyed the cliffs world. i don't see the problem with collapsing platforms at all. they're a fairly old platforming trope and simply increase the challenge. i thought the collapsing levels were well balanced too with how they always gave you safe spots and checkpoints or barrel sections at just the right time.
evilromero
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I played the entire game with the sideways Wiimote. Are people saying this isn't ideal? I didn't even notice there to be any issues. And I guess I'm in the minority but the rocket levels weren't an issue either. Were they too hard for some or did they just not understand the physics?
[Nintex] said:Wtf I had to encounter the same boss twice and found a nasty bug
This game is good, but not as great as NSMBWii. Some levels are just bad and not fun at all. 'Yay everything collapses around you!' ugh. There's no difficulty curve at all and the game is just a random unassorted mess of platform levels and control issues with a jungle theme. Not to mention the bosses, some are copied from Jungle Beat, others are copied in the game itself. Obviously rushed for the holiday season.
Which bosses were copied from DKJB (don't have the game, I'm just interested)?
playing it with the remote sideways too. never had a problem. controls feel tight and responsive. tried with the nunchuck but i much prefer this. rocket barrel physics made sense and always felt right too, i like those levels. not a big fan of the mine cart levels though.evilromero said:
I'm a big proponent of the rocket levels. I'd play a whole game like that. The only problem is, once again, I think the physics are a little off. There would be times when I'd see an obstacle and let go of the button so my rocket would duck under it, but it would still be flying upwards for a bit, instead of immediately dropping. That's some magical, gravity-defying momentum. That's my only complaint. But the clamoring for pointer or other control methods for the rocket barrels is misguided, I think. The limited control is what makes it fun, much like in the original Resident Evil games.
world 7 was so awesome. especially 7-k. i looooved that level. so amazing, so ingeniously designed, so much fun!
level i'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F29fnwAuroA
level i'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F29fnwAuroA
Windom Earle
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[Nintex] said:Wtf I had to encounter the same boss twice and found a nasty bug
This game is good, but not as great as NSMBWii. Some levels are just bad and not fun at all. 'Yay everything collapses around you!' ugh. There's no difficulty curve at all and the game is just a random unassorted mess of platform levels and control issues with a jungle theme. Not to mention the bosses, some are copied from Jungle Beat, others are copied in the game itself. Obviously rushed for the holiday season.
You're insane. This game smokes NSMBWii.
patrickthehedgehog
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Maffis said:
I'm stuck here too. They're pretty rough. I seem to remember being equally as frustrated with the minecart levels from the original games so it brings back some memories. Overall this is one of the best platformers I've played in a long time. I think I like it more than the Galaxy series...
apana said:
SF Cave has better physics imo. I used to play the shit out of SF Cave and it never felt like it was anyone's fault but my own when I died. It's frustrating, but in a good way. Whereas the rocket levels in DKCR can feel cheap, but I love the idea of them and they are mostly fun.
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schennmu said:
I disagree. DKCR is certainly a far more creative and imaginative game (Not that NSMB Wii is unimaginative!) but NSMB is a joy to play. The controls are crisp and flawless. THe use of motion controls is a part of this - DK's are too finicky while Mario's are simply and intuitive to use. The hit detection in DK is all out of whack - there is a dead, reliable certainty to my actions in Mario which means that every mistake is my own. In DK there's some odd inconsistencies in killing enemies, landing appropriately or double jumping.
slaughterking
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I wish you could unlock more dioramas. They are so well done and nice to look at. <3
Kyleripman
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evilromero said:
Sideways wiimote is great - I preferred it over nunchuk combo - but now that I am using the CC, I love the game even more.
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ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh.Dascu said:
daakusedo said:
It was obviously a last minute design choice to handle it the way that they did, which kind of stinks considering what you got in dkc2 and 3 :/ Still had a lot of fun with the bonus mode, though. Only have three more levels and two more bosses to finish up in it.