DOOM: The Dark Ages Path Tracing Update Coming June 18th

Framegen is most effective when you don't actually need framegen!

It's utterly stupid.
It's not stupid at all because it's the exact opposite: framegen is most effective when you don't need more fps input-wise but you do need more fps visual-wise.
Most times you won't feel the difference in input lag above ~90 fps while you will notice the added motion fluidity well into several 100s of these.
 
lol at them scanning the maps like forensic experts trying to find any meaningful difference at the cost of half the framerate.

what a wet fart of an update, 2 months late at that too.
 
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That's a stupid graph. Running at 4k with framegen and no upsampling is clearly memory constrained on alll 16 GB cards. Completely useless scenario to test.

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Pathtracing is meant to be played with upscaling. Why not show the results using DLSS performance and no frame gen at 4k and DLSS balanced at 1440p. That way people could get a sense for what 'real' fps they'd actually get. Maybe it doesn't fit the narrative some people are trying to create.
 
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The game's visuals, PT aside, are underwhelming and the raytracing requirements are bs. Doom Eternal looks just as good, even better in terms of architecture and runs 10 times better. Microsoft really killed id like with all other gaming divisions.
 
The game's visuals, PT aside, are underwhelming and the raytracing requirements are bs. Doom Eternal looks just as good, even better in terms of architecture and runs 10 times better. Microsoft really killed id like with all other gaming divisions.
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DOOM Eternal does not look as good, let alone better.
 
nice to hear there are no VRAM limitations this time. downloading the game again, cannot be worse than cyberpunk's path tracing performance on my 3070. i will share results later on
 
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nice to hear there are no VRAM limitations this time. downloading the game again, cannot be worse than cyberpunk's path tracing performance on my 3070. i will share results later on
It's actually similar. RT Overdrive at 4K native in Cyberpunk nets you 30-35fps on a 5090. Same performance in DOOM The Dark Ages at the same resolution.
 
Just tried it. On my 5070ti, with no frame gen and DLSS Balanced, I get just over 60fps @ 1440p with everything at max.

I would say that 4k with DLSS performance isn't playable, as I get around 45 fps. If I want to play at 4k, I need to set DLSS to ultra performance, which gets me a little over 70fps.
 
It's actually similar. RT Overdrive at 4K native in Cyberpunk nets you 30-35fps on a 5090. Same performance in DOOM The Dark Ages at the same resolution.
hmm interesting. then i should be able to get around 45 fps at 1080p dlss quality which is more than playable enough for me with nvidia reflex
i may do a reduced difficulty to replay if that's the case



i already did a anticipation gameplay at 36-45 fps to see if it was viable. it is viable, at least for me
 
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No, right.

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Vastly improved character models, lighting, particle effects, and geometry. Eternal does not look better. Stop this nonsense.
Edit: fuck it, I concede but you missed my entire point, which was that The Dark Ages does not look like a game that would require a raytraced card or be super demanding. Its visuals are subpar and could've been achieved and improved just as Eternal did over 2016 one. I know you're a raytraced obssed freak, but keep living in your bubble if you truly think The Dark Ages looks "vastly" superior. Thats just fucking retarded.

A vastly visual differnce is between Far Cry 1 and Crysis. This is just a 10 year old vs a 12 year old kid with extra pubes. I'll just leave it at that and get out of here. Enjoy 20 fps fake frames on your "next-gen games" and 80 euros. I played and finished it and it was not that good compared to Eternal in terms of everything.
 
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"Vastly"
It's not just extra hair. The model has better textures and geometry.


Different artstyle does not mean better lmao.

Good thing it's not just art style but is also straight-up better on a technical level, huh?
No. Better destruction? Sure. Better lighting? Where? There's no visual difference outside of you knowing that one is raytraced and the other is baked since the latter is faked extremely well.
This must be a joke. This is Doom Eternal with the player standing directly in the shadows. The weapon is still glowing like you were in broad daylight.

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Now contrast that with The Dark Ages.

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Oh, shit, the shadows and light actually interact with the weapon! Crazy stuff.
Architecture is better in Eternal. Stop this nonsense.
Don't care about your subjective opinion. You like the architecture style better, cool.
Also, you missed my entire point, which was that The Dark Ages does not look like a game that would require a raytraced card or be super demanding. Its visuals are subpar and could've been achieved and improved just as Eternal did over 2016 one. I know you're a raytraced obssed freak, but keep living in your bubble if you truly think The Dark Ages looks "vastly" superior. Thats just fucking retarded.
Your point was hyperbolic nonsense. Say what you will about the game being too demanding, but going "Hur hur, Eternal looks as good or better" is bullshit.

Eternal at times look like shit with awful lighting and texture work.

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No, right.

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Vastly improved character models, lighting, particle effects, and geometry. Eternal does not look better. Stop this nonsense.

Doom Eternal's art direction is just awful. The cartoony demons was a mistake - the Cacodemon is some of the goofiest shit they've ever come up and the Cyber Mancubus straight up looked like a McDonald's toy.

The Dark Ages on the other hand looks like a playable heavy metal album. Technologically but also artistically shits on Eternal.
 
It's not just extra hair. The model has better textures and geometry.

Good thing it's not just art style but is also straight-up better on a technical level, huh?

This must be a joke. This is Doom Eternal with the player standing directly in the shadows. The weapon is still glowing like you were in broad daylight.

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Now contrast that with The Dark Ages.

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Oh, shit, the shadows and light actually interact with the weapon! Crazy stuff.

Don't care about your subjective opinion. You like the architecture style better, cool.

Your point was hyperbolic nonsense. Say what you will about the game being too demanding, but going "Hur hur, Eternal looks as good or better" is bullshit.

Eternal at times look like shit with awful lighting and texture work.

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your pet dragon in doom dark ages
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look how flat this looks

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and how beautifully lit this is
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Edit: fuck it, I concede but you missed my entire point, which was that The Dark Ages does not look like a game that would require a raytraced card or be super demanding. Its visuals are subpar and could've been achieved and improved just as Eternal did over 2016 one. I know you're a raytraced obssed freak, but keep living in your bubble if you truly think The Dark Ages looks "vastly" superior. Thats just fucking retarded.
I said myself repeatedly that the game is too demanding for what it has on display, but I also understand the environments are much, much larger and the enemy count has been dramatically improved. if they had used traditional baked lighting, the game would still be in development, or we'd have a much uglier game.
A vastly visual differnce is between Far Cry 1 and Crysis. This is just a 10 year old vs a 12 year old kid with extra pubes. I'll just leave it at that and get out of here. Enjoy 20 fps fake frames on your "next-gen games" and 80 euros. I played and finished it and it was not that good compared to Eternal in terms of everything.
Yeah, the visual leaps were bigger when the games looked worse, no shit. My point was that if you want to have a discussion over the visuals, don't start with ridiculous statements like Eternal looking better. It doesn't. We can discuss the visual improvements vs performance differentials, there's a debate to be had, but claiming Eternal looks as good or better is just no.
 
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Just tried it. On my 5070ti, with no frame gen and DLSS Balanced, I get just over 60fps @ 1440p with everything at max.

I would say that 4k with DLSS performance isn't playable, as I get around 45 fps. If I want to play at 4k, I need to set DLSS to ultra performance, which gets me a little over 70fps.
I tried MFG when my base was around 40 and it was weird feeling, but visually not terrible. Not good, but not godawful bad.
 
let me help you

main boss doom eternal
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your pet dragon in doom dark ages
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important cutscene from ancient gods part 2 dlc
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random cutscene from doom dark ages (in engine btw)
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look how flat this looks

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and how beautifully lit this is
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lol what kind of a cherry picked doctored bs is this, all the eternal shots are with washed out blacks, while dark ages is the game with objectively broken washed out hdr.
work more on your photoshop skills
 
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yeah I'm a time traveler thanks

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i played none of these games with hdr so no idea what you're talking about
 
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I just read the Gamegpu benchmark, and damn! This is easily the most demanding PT game right now. To get 80 fps on the RTX 4080, I would need to run 1440p with DLSS Q and FGx2 on top of that. For comparison, Cyberpunk with similar settings runs at 120 fps. I might experiment with PT just to see how significant the difference is, but I will most likely turn it off.
 
This is probably the worst looking game that uses raytracing and pathtracing.
yeah considering the performance penalty its honestly quite a case against the whole tech, despite all the shilling df tries to do for them..
you could tell when the devs had to resort to "it saves us time" to justify forced rt, as they barely had anything to show for it visually.

and not even sure what "time" they saved honestly, made a dumbed down 15hours sequel in 5 years , which doesn't look anywhere close to a generational leap.
 
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Eternal looks as good or better is just no.

It's a yes tho. I only conceded because no point arguing over taste. Better textures and physics and raytraced lighting aint all what matters to the overall visual quality. It's why we get posts here every month so praising Elden Ring visuals even tho, on paper(technical aspects) it's a pos.
 
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It's a yes tho. I only conceded because no point arguing over taste. Better textures and physics and raytraced lighting aint all what matters to the overall visual quality. It's why we get posts here every month so praising Elden Ring visuals even tho, on paper(technical aspects) it's a pos.
Art style is subjective. I've also heard people say they hate Eternal's looks because it's too cartoony. Just in this thread, a poster said they hate the colors and design of Eternal.
 
Maybe it's different on pc (though I heard even many pc gamers agree) but on ps5 the image quality is terrible. And I thought maybe it's me so after finishing TDA I went back to Doom 2016 and Eternal and both look better. Marginally better textures do nothing if the image quality sucks so much, you can't even see the difference. I don't care what happens under the hood as a gamer, I judge what I see, and what I see is a big disappointment visually, a current-gen only title that looks worse in many ways than the previous games from id, one of the best tech wizards in the industry? Ray-tracing did not worth it at all for this game. It didn't add much, quite the contrary.
 
I have to downgrade from 3840x1600 DLAA to DLSS performance mode to maintain similar performance as before with PT. IQ Still good enough
 
The game's visuals, PT aside, are underwhelming and the raytracing requirements are bs. Doom Eternal looks just as good, even better in terms of architecture and runs 10 times better. Microsoft really killed id like with all other gaming divisions.

You think Microsoft told id to move their engine forward the way they had planned to do so after the development of Doom Eternal while they were NOT owned by Microsoft?




Is it weekend GAF already?

 
Damn this look glorious and play fluidity on my 5090 paired with a 9950x3D 4K ultra nightmare path tracing every option on DLSS set to quality frame gen 4x 160fps average!
 
Damn this look glorious and play fluidity on my 5090 paired with a 9950x3D 4K ultra nightmare path tracing every option on DLSS set to quality frame gen 4x 160fps average!
x4 feels a little weird to me. On a 5080 laptop thought right now so my base is lower than yours. Settled on x3
 
I think I've settled on everything maxed @ 4k with DLSS set to ultra performance and 4x frame gen. Getting well over 200 fps. DLSS 4 is incredibly impressive. as even with a base resolution of 720p, the game looks phenomenal. Slightly softer image than DLSS performance, but the path tracing more than makes up for it. This is with a 5070 ti.
 
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Am in no rush to play doom.

Still need to finish:
Alan Wake 2
The Outer Worlds
Saints Row 4
Towerfall Ascension
Amnesia Rebirth
Bioshock Remastered
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
Control
Death Stranding
Silent Hill 2 Remake
Grim Fa...

I think you can see my point.
I'm drowning in my backlog
 
Am in no rush to play doom.

Still need to finish:
Alan Wake 2
The Outer Worlds
Saints Row 4
Towerfall Ascension
Amnesia Rebirth
Bioshock Remastered
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
Control
Death Stranding
Silent Hill 2 Remake
Grim Fa...

I think you can see my point.
I'm drowning in my backlog
Do you mean Grim Fandango? Because that game is a masterpiece.
 
Am in no rush to play doom.

Still need to finish:
Alan Wake 2
The Outer Worlds
Saints Row 4
Towerfall Ascension
Amnesia Rebirth
Bioshock Remastered
Bioshock 2
Bioshock Infinite
Control
Death Stranding
Silent Hill 2 Remake
Grim Fa...

I think you can see my point.
I'm drowning in my backlog
I'll save you some time because half that backlog is garbage. The only thing you are in danger of drowning in is mediocrity.
 
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