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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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CarbonatedFalcon

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Drkirby said:
You don't seem to understand how ODs ult really works.

The damage ODs Ult does is dependent on his Int, not his mana (His Q is based on Mana Pool). Also, it does different amounts of damage to each person, it isn't based off of one person's int. At max level, it does the difference in int x 10 in damage. So if OD has 100 int, and you had 50 int, it would do 500 damage. If you have more int then OD, it does no damage. Also, if you are close to OD's Int but not over it, it will also burn the bulk of your mana pool.
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Me saying "mana pool" was just my short hand for intelligence - I knew it was based on int.

Otherwise - I've read the description of his ult before - for some reason I was thinking it was based off a single target ala Mana Void when I skimmed the description again.

In this particular case, he also may have used the ult twice - he had a refresher at that point. I was caught just at the corner of it. Would have to go back and look at the fight.

Edit: Yeah so it was actually two ults (refresher) from a 213 Int OD. The first wouldn't have killed me, but the second did. My WR had ~135-150 Int or so.
 
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Pinko Marx

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The default recommended items for Elder Titan suck terribly.
Dude has horrible mana problems, yet they recommend Power Treads instead of Arcanes.
I don't understand why they want me to build half the items on him that they recommend.

What are some good item builds for ET?
 
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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Bo said:
Be honest: step up or step down from the wc3 dwarven sniper.
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Stepped off a cliff imo. I used to play dwarven sniper a lot in dota 1; I can only remember playing sniper one time in dota 2 and that was in an ar inhouse.
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Got my first mute tonight playing Axe. We were up like 30-2 when the enemy AA froze me leading to my first death @ like 30 minutes on Axe. Next time I saw him, I Called and Culled his ass.

"Bitch!"

"Reported"

"Worth it."

Something about chopping a mothafuckas head off that just makes that word come out. He should say that instead of "culled!"

I regret nothing. Nobody puts kids in their place like Axe.
 
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Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Dreams-Visions said:
Got my first mute tonight playing Axe. We were up like 30-2 when the enemy AA froze me leading to my first death @ like 30 minutes on Axe. Next time I saw him, I Called and Culled his ass.

"Bitch!"

"Reported"

"Worth it."

Something about chopping a mothafuckas head off that just makes that word come out. He should say that instead of "culled!"

I regret nothing. Nobody puts kids in their place like Axe.
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and this is why the mute system is ass :). come on, the occasional call out IS dota
 
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Dreams-Visions

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Anbokr said:
and this is why the mute system is ass :). come on, the occasional call out IS dota
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Indeed. And the Lifestealer on the other team agreed. He was like, "you're going to report him for calling you 'bitch' in a Dota match? Axe commended."

lol


Pinko Marx said:
The default recommended items for Elder Titan suck terribly.
Dude has horrible mana problems, yet they recommend Power Treads instead of Arcanes.
I don't understand why they want me to build half the items on him that they recommend.

What are some good item builds for ET?
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in other news:

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How do you lose a decisive early game advantage? item choices.

I was Husk. They had at least a 4 tower advantage and were up maybe 24-10 kills? Enigma and Mag got pretty fast blinks and were controlling team fights. They had really good coordination with the torrent and boat too. Shit was bleak for about 30 minutes and I was maybe 1/4/2 at that point. Only now looking at the scoreboard did I realize (a) they had no sheep sticks in the works in an hour match against a Huskar and Lycan, (2) Enigma bought a Radiance instead of...anything else that would have actually helped, (3) the Sniper somehow got stuck on 25-minute farm, despite us never being in a position to stop them from farming in any way, (4) Kunkka tried to be cute with double crit instead of actually finishing a daed and getting a heart or something. (5) I'm okay with Mag having a BFury, but for ALL YOU HAVE after an hour is a blink and battlefury...something went terribly fucking wrong.

Bad item decisions turn comfortable wins into ugly losses.

For the last 30 minutes I terrorized their team fight positioning. When I saw them go mass Shadow Blade, I knew it would be safe for me to do the same, so several times I simply caught enigma and Mag napping waiting to jump in on the team and...well you know how Huskar with a BKB and crit does things. They lost every team fight hard for the last 30 minutes of the game including a rather nice Huskar 4v1 in their base at the end. Those wombo combos they got early got killed in the womb later. NP seemed to be the only competent one, but even he started throwing himself at rax and T4's and dying repeatedly. It's like they concluded they had won the match at 30 minutes and simply stopped playing Dota. Oh well. I'll take it.

edit: also, Satanic is by far my favorite dps carry item in the game.
 
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shira

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Dreams-Visions said:
Got my first mute tonight playing Axe. We were up like 30-2 when the enemy AA froze me leading to my first death @ like 30 minutes on Axe. Next time I saw him, I Called and Culled his ass.

"Bitch!"

"Reported"

"Worth it."

Something about chopping a mothafuckas head off that just makes that word come out. He should say that instead of "culled!"

I regret nothing. Nobody puts kids in their place like Axe.
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Jeez, you calling out scrubs and drunks playing late night DOTA.
You going pop off some shots in front of your police station too?
 
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Dreams-Visions

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shira said:
Jeez, you calling out scrubs and drunks playing late night DOTA.
You going pop off some shots in front of your police station too?
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He was genuinely mad too. I didn't bother to read his replies, but he kept typing so he must have been salty. Insult to injury, I suppose. He was probably already frustrated because of the stomping being laid down.

If it had been my main account, I would have been irritated.

Boken said:
what, you got chat restricted for one callout?
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Yep. One call out. Applied as soon as the next game started.
 
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Boken

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Dreams-Visions said:
Got my first mute tonight playing Axe. We were up like 30-2 when the enemy AA froze me leading to my first death @ like 30 minutes on Axe. Next time I saw him, I Called and Culled his ass.

"Bitch!"

"Reported"

"Worth it."

Something about chopping a mothafuckas head off that just makes that word come out. He should say that instead of "culled!"

I regret nothing. Nobody puts kids in their place like Axe.
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what, you got chat restricted for one callout?
 
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Des0lar

will learn eventually
Fuck, first someone leaves the game instantly after it starts, then the server fails... wtf I just want one good game
 
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Hung_real

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shira said:
Hung_real: Hey guys lets all report him, then make fake accounts, then find all our friends to report him for the lolz
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C'mon even I know that wasn't fair to Dream :)

And beside I would never report other teams player for being bad, harsh or mad, its none of my business.
 
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CarbonatedFalcon

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Just had one of the greatest Rubick games ever. 10/1/19. Nyx in the game was really fun, got Vendetta a few times with some really nice sentry placement. Snagged Jugg ult once but got killed shortly before I could use it. He was really good at spinning afterwards most of the time.

Game was really entertaining because I was having ward wars with the opposing team. Blocked pull camp at first, and then I got at least 4-5 other odd wards.

Solo Tiny in our safe lane was really good, but my heavy support of our PL really paid off in keeping him down. He almost killed me a few times with his combo, and managed to steal the stacked pull camp once.

Everyone was good sports with the playful trash talk I was throwing out. I might play on Europe West more often. I wouldn't play carry due to ping (~130MS or so), but supports are fine.

Game probably would have been lopsided if our QoP had done better.

Linky to game.
 
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Schweinehund

Member
Pinko Marx said:
The default recommended items for Elder Titan suck terribly.
Dude has horrible mana problems, yet they recommend Power Treads instead of Arcanes.
I don't understand why they want me to build half the items on him that they recommend.

What are some good item builds for ET?
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I'd say do arcane then start building things your team needs, pipe, shiva's, sheepstick, necrobook, forcestaff, mek or just buy wards.

I gave him a fair shake and I don't think he has any place in ap solo queue. Maybe in competitive with a wombo combo team but you're not going to be pulling your weight in solo queue.

edit: Ah I forgot veil. That might be a good pickup, I don't know how it calculate's magic resists or if it is even possible to make it go into negative value with your aura.
 
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Volodja

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Schweinehund said:
I'd say do arcane then start building things your team needs, pipe, shiva's, sheepstick, necrobook, forcestaff, mek or just buy wards.

I gave him a fair shake and I don't think he has any place in ap solo queue. Maybe in competitive with a wombo combo team but you're not going to be pulling your weight in solo queue.

edit: Ah I forgot veil. That might be a good pickup, I don't know how it calculate's magic resists or if it is even possible to make it go into negative value with your aura.
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Your aura, like veil, is damage amplification and not an actual minus to magic resistance.
As any magic amplification and reduction it should stack multiplicatively.
 
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Acinixys

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Can someone please explain to me how tournament drops work?

If youre watching a tournament game, do u get one at the end instead of a normal drop?

This lag in the Liquid game is annoying as hell
 
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JustinBB7

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Acinixys said:
Can someone please explain to me how tournament drops work?

If youre watching a tournament game, do u get one at the end instead of a normal drop?
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There is a chance something drops for you every time something special happens. Mostly:

First blood
Multikills
Aegis snatch
Game over

It's random and chances of you getting one are pretty small. Specially if a lot of people are watching.
 
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Dec

Member
JustinBB7 said:
There is a chance something drops for you every time something special happens. Mostly:

First blood
Multikills
Aegis snatch
Game over

It's random and chances of you getting one are pretty small. Specially if a lot of people are watching.
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Yea... I've watched over 100 games and never got anything. Them some guy gets 3 in one game.
 
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Tenck

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After playing All Random again, I've learned to appreciate support characters a lot more. Those early game set up are brutal if you're caught out of place. Just played a game where I got super lucky with a invis rune. Warded bot rune and pull camp and thought it'd be snatched by the time I got it. Ended up picking it up and killing a Sniper mid.
 
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Übermatik

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Dreams-Visions said:
Indeed. And the Lifestealer on the other team agreed. He was like, "you're going to report him for calling you 'bitch' in a Dota match? Axe commended."

lol
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Haha!

On the same note, I only report people for excessive offensive language. Some guy was throwing the n word around to heroes on the other team, so I reported him, same team or not it doesn't matter.

If someone says 'fuck you' a lot or 'bitch', I really don't care.
 
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Radec

Member
Jesus..

I think I just saw the best Tinker I've ever seen.

The guy went like 36-3 on a very close game. He's PEW-PEW-ing enemies constantly with E.Blade, Dagon, Laser, Missile.

damn.
 
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CarbonatedFalcon

Member
dygiT said:
Some of the shit that happens in my low skill MM bracket makes me really upset but when I people pull of shit like this I can't help but smile. I don't hate using Leshrac anymore.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PUbaihnUr6A
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When I learned it involved Leshrac and a Void, I could guess what was going to happen before even watching it right down to the Mask of Madness.

Though I was expecting Edict rather than Pulse Nova. Still!
 
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Sibylus

Banned
Anbokr said:
Stepped off a cliff imo. I used to play dwarven sniper a lot in dota 1; I can only remember playing sniper one time in dota 2 and that was in an ar inhouse.
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That's definitely how I feel as well, it's almost as if the model was stuck in a weird limbo zone of trying to do the same design but different. Redesign him in the vein of a Renaissance Arquebusier, do something quirky and interesting.
 
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Übermatik

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Also, played an Elder Titan game with my friend the other night. That is to say, my friend played Elder Titan. We won, but he didn't make a massive impact - more of an occasional contribution in team fights with his ult. I think the trick to playing him eft effectively would be to get something like a shadow blade/blink dagger so you can stomp effectively, allowing the rest of your team to catch up and prepare ults. I can't see any other use for him really.
 
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Glix

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Übermatik;56896776 said:
Also, played an Elder Titan game with my friend the other night. That is to say, my friend played Elder Titan. We won, but he didn't make a massive impact - more of an occasional contribution in team fights with his ult. I think the trick to playing him eft effectively would be to get something like a shadow blade/blink dagger so you can stomp effectively, allowing the rest of your team to catch up and prepare ults. I can't see any other use for him really.
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I like how you can do sneaky ults from the river
 
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CarbonatedFalcon

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I think that Mouz lineup had potential, but so many things went wrong so early on that it was unrecoverable. Too much to list everything.

And I'm not sure how you deal with Liquid in general. They're just so strong with all their players that you can't really cripple them in the draft. Bulba probably the most singularly dangerous, but you can't really ban just against him with the first two bans without some severe concessions elsewhere, especially since they'll pick his hero by the 3rd pick anyway.
 
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