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Dota 2 Beta Thread V: Real Talk Strikes Back [Tutorials]

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Wunder

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Tales of unmuted fools. Part 1:

Made to offlane as Sand King. I don't die. I stack ancients.Save the tower. Even get a double kill mid. On the other side of the map Naix, Witch Doctor and Lich can't control a weaver.

We're crushing early but the Alch eventually races ahead.

I miss one very clumsy stun on the Alch and this Naix goes in to a tirade giving me abuse for a full 20 minutes. "I've cost him the game". "Can't make a simple stun". "Never offlane SK again." Forgetting the fact I was told to offlane there. Plus he solo dies to a weaver at his own tower but that's his support's fault for not being there.

Tried to friend me afterwards to no doubt continue the abuse. I rarely use such language but this guy was an arsehole of the highest order. Can't wait for the mutes to role back in.

Wow that's infuriating.
 

Phandy

Member
Tales of unmuted fools. Part 1:

Made to offlane as Sand King. I don't die. I stack ancients.Save the tower. Even get a double kill mid. On the other side of the map Naix, Witch Doctor and Lich can't control a weaver.

We're crushing early but the Alch eventually races ahead.

I miss one very clumsy stun on the Alch and this Naix goes in to a tirade giving me abuse for a full 20 minutes. "I've cost him the game". "Can't make a simple stun". "Never offlane SK again." Forgetting the fact I was told to offlane there. Plus he solo dies to a weaver at his own tower but that's his support's fault for not being there.

Tried to friend me afterwards to no doubt continue the abuse. I rarely use such language but this guy was an arsehole of the highest order. Can't wait for the mutes to role back in.

I would of reported you. SK stun is so easy hit, damn.
 

Anteo

Member
Tales of unmuted fools. Part 1:

Made to offlane as Sand King. I don't die. I stack ancients.Save the tower. Even get a double kill mid. On the other side of the map Naix, Witch Doctor and Lich can't control a weaver.

We're crushing early but the Alch eventually races ahead.

I miss one very clumsy stun on the Alch and this Naix goes in to a tirade giving me abuse for a full 20 minutes. "I've cost him the game". "Can't make a simple stun". "Never offlane SK again." Forgetting the fact I was told to offlane there. Plus he solo dies to a weaver at his own tower but that's his support's fault for not being there.

Tried to friend me afterwards to no doubt continue the abuse. I rarely use such language but this guy was an arsehole of the highest order. Can't wait for the mutes to role back in.

How do you miss a Sk stun? Wow
 
See, it's a matter of opinion. I don't think that quote is "vile" at all. Mildly offensive at best (or worst?).

Valve isn't going to say that the system isn't working (although I agree, it likely is working). I just don't want the game to end up that you get a chat ban for calling someone out on a bad play. Like I said earlier, people need to be more thick-skinned. By contrast, this chat ban system needs to be balanced to avoid an oversensitive community. In life, people are going to say things that you don't like.

In life, if you want people to do something or change what they're doing, you aren't going to call them shit (calling people shit in the workplace gets you in trouble/doing so outside of people you know well lends less legitimacy to your criticism). Calling their play bad is different from calling them bad. I'm all for calling out people's mistakes and pointing them out. If they don't listen, that's on them.

I missed my Shadow Shaman shackle once.

ah good ol shackling a creep. Doesn't help that SS just stands there looking like a total idiot while chanting....
 

Keylime

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Speaking of missed abilities...I wish you could click on the character portrait at the top of the screen to directly target that hero with unit target spells.

In the heat of battle with creeps floating around inside, I'm definitely guilty of throwing that fight-changing ability onto a creep and blowing it from time to time.
 

Einbroch

Banned
Speaking of missed abilities...I wish you could click on the character portrait at the top of the screen to directly target that hero with unit target spells.

In the heat of battle with creeps floating around inside, I'm definitely guilty of throwing that fight-changing ability onto a creep and blowing it from time to time.

It's almost like you want Treant to be even more broken.
 

Keylime

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It's almost like you want Treant to be even more broken.

I have been playing him a lot more lately, so yeah! Punching the shit out of people in the early laning phase is so amazing. I take out 1/5 of their health per punch and I just charge on in with Living Armor and they can't do shit about it.

I'm like a roided out grandpa chasing these fuckers off my property!

"GET AWAY FROM MY CARRY!" *shakes cane at them*
 
Speaking of missed abilities...I wish you could click on the character portrait at the top of the screen to directly target that hero with unit target spells.

In the heat of battle with creeps floating around inside, I'm definitely guilty of throwing that fight-changing ability onto a creep and blowing it from time to time.

If that ever happened, you just know that there'll be stories of people clicking on the wrong portrait..

I have been playing him a lot more lately, so yeah! Punching the shit out of people in the early laning phase is so amazing. I take out 1/5 of their health per punch and I just charge on in with Living Armor and they can't do shit about it.

I'm like a roided out grandpa chasing these fuckers off my property!

"GET AWAY FROM MY CARRY!" *shakes cane at them*

I like solo suicide laning him and just spamming living armor on mid and safe lane ...last few games I've been getting a lot of "Fuck you TREE"
 

Einbroch

Banned
I have been playing him a lot more lately, so yeah! Punching the shit out of people in the early laning phase is so amazing. I take out 1/5 of their health per punch and I just charge on in with Living Armor and they can't do shit about it.

I'm like a roided out grandpa chasing these fuckers off my property!

"GET AWAY FROM MY CARRY!" *shakes cane at them*
Most apt comparison I've ever seen, except the grandpa is wearing knight's armor and has a 81-89 pound cane. :p
 

Willectro

Banned
In life, if you want people to do something or change what they're doing, you aren't going to call them shit (calling people shit in the workplace gets you in trouble/doing so outside of people you know well lends less legitimacy to your criticism). Calling their play bad is different from calling them bad. I'm all for calling out people's mistakes and pointing them out. If they don't listen, that's on them.

ah good ol shackling a creep. Doesn't help that SS just stands there looking like a total idiot while chanting....

Well, most workplaces are extremely oversensitive too, but point taken.

I guess the argument can be made that, theoretically, as the number of players grow, so does the depth of matchmaking. This means that I am more likely to get matched with equally skilled players.
 
I give constructive criticism every day multiple times a day and to my knowledge have not been reported for it. Hell, I make insane dick jokes and dumb conversation in all-chat when the game is paused to keep the environment light and haven't been reported for that either.

I'm not even an amazing player, but at the very least I know when someone is making some major mistakes in their play (over-aggressive and feeding, bad map awareness, weird item choices, etc etc).

As long as your constructive criticism doesn't translate to "You're being an idiot, do this instead you moron!" then you should be fine.



I take playing very seriously, and get equally frustrated with people that are messing things up...but at the end of the day it's a game. Even if you "wasted" an hour of your life, hopefully you either worked on your last hitting, practiced on attempting to rally from a snowballing enemy team, helped coach others to get better for future games, improved on your juking, etc etc.

No games are a waste even when you lose. The great thing about this game is that there is always something you can be improving.

Getting the "W" is obviously what you want, but getting the "L" doesn't mean you wasted that time.

didn't you say one or two weeks ago that you don't watch professional matches or streams? and you're saying you "take playing very seriously"? WHAT

Hey Dota Gaf, I've got a trip coming up and need something to play while on layover. Anyone find an iOS moba that isn't terrible?

these types of games don't even work with a controller. i don't think you'll ever have a game in this genre using only a touchscreen. it would have to be dumbed down way too much. and considering even the fast matches usually take 10+ min, it's just not the kind of game for a cellphone. what if you have to pause to do something? it just doesn't work
 

Anteo

Member
Don't say that in chat.

Haha I've never would say it in chat. I've done worse things that have actually cost us the game, so I'm not the one to talk

You know what's bad? When your team is not doing okay but at the same time not doing bad and one mistake can cost you the match, and you are the one that makes that mistake, I made my team lose a compendium match that we were doing great, bad initiation near our 3rd tier = enemy took the tower and the ancient.
 

Keylime

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didn't you say one or two weeks ago that you don't watch professional matches or streams? and you're saying you "take playing very seriously"? WHAT

?

I've been watching pro replays pretty much ever since I started playing. I watch as many replays and Dota commentaries as I do actually play these days...so definitely not me!
 

Turok_TTZ

Member
You should upgrade you'r boots into power thread as sniper, it probably should be the first item you build once on lane.
Didn't like Power threads, I prefer boots of travel. dat movement/scroll.
I see dota 2 does .dems as well, neat. all i need to do is just upload to mediafire.
could someone review my match? Would appreciate some criticism of my play.
 

TommyT

Member
Didn't like Power threads, I prefer boots of travel. dat movement/scroll.
I see dota 2 does .dems as well, neat. all i need to do is just upload to mediafire.
could someone review my match? Would appreciate some criticism of my play.

You don't need to upload the replay anywhere (I'm assuming that's what you're talking about uploading to mediafire), just post the MatchID.

edit: nvm it's in your other post.
 

Procarbine

Forever Platinum
Almost all of your guys' mute problems would be solved by taking some time to find people to play with in the NeoGAF chat or guild, and then trying to play with them consistently. Discuss your games with each other here, especially if it was rough to allow nerves to cool, and go from there. When you play in a 3+ party you will never be muted without AGGRESSIVELY shit talking.

And when it comes to non-automated reviews, or actually any reviews for that matter, of chat/voice reports, I wouldn't hold your breath for the time being. As far as I know the replay system does not record any allied chat at all, voice or text, and it was the intention of Valve not to include these things to both avoid people stroking their epeens by looking at enemy chat from a winning game and avoid people scouting out teams/pros and their communication/emotional tendencies. So without changing the existing replay system most of these offenses that people are being muted for aren't being recorded at all, and can't be reviewed.
 

Anteo

Member
Didn't like Power threads, I prefer boots of travel. dat movement/scroll.
I see dota 2 does .dems as well, neat. all i need to do is just upload to mediafire.
could someone review my match? Would appreciate some criticism of my play.

You want us to check out this match? :

I have been playing with bots ever since I got my dota 2 invite. first at easy. then scaled up as I try to learn the game. Zeus was my first hero to give me a win against bots (easy).
I lost a lot afterwards (increasing difficulty) but learned from each defeat. then just the past 3-4 days been finally playing on unfair difficulty. I do not recall a win with Zeus, instead I got all my wins with Sniper or Shadow Fiend. Fond of Sniper atm.

Today I finally decided to take a gander at online. here are my results:

My first game online, 1st blood! Seems Sniper will be my mainstay for the time being. He is ridiculously easy to play with. Gonna try other heroes soon as I get comfortable with them vs bots.

Only got some questions.... is it all downhill from here and how do I upload my matches on youtube?

I'm on it. First time playing dota2 or you have a previous experience on WC3 Dota?
 

JustinBB7

Member
Didn't like Power threads, I prefer boots of travel. dat movement/scroll.
I see dota 2 does .dems as well, neat. all i need to do is just upload to mediafire.
could someone review my match? Would appreciate some criticism of my play.

Boots of travel are kinda a last item that you need, except on Tinker. They give no stats to your attributes (besides speed obviously). Power Treads are really needed on carries most of the time.
 

parasight

Member
Damn, what a stomp. 15-0 for KP against Fnatic in Game 3. What a player that RTZ.

I was like 2 minutes too late from betting on it too.
 

Anbokr

Bull on a Donut
Twitch has been so awful for me lately, can't watch a single stream tonight at any quality. I hope Valve uses more than just them for TI3.

same I don't know whatsup but I'm pretty sure it's not my net. Streams, VODS, everything on twitch has been insanely laggy for me for the past couple weeks.
 

demented

Member
Do you just get cards from compendium games now, except item when leveling up? I've been playing for that BP bonus but haven't seen item drop in a while.. not sure if worth it.
 

elyetis

Member
Didn't like Power threads, I prefer boots of travel. dat movement/scroll.play.
Carry usually don't make Boots of travel until they have a complete 6 items gear.

Power thread cost less, make you move faster than simple Boots of Speed, give you attack speed ( which mean more Headshot ( dommage and stun ), more dps.. ) and also more hp ( +8 str ) and mana regen if needed ( +8 int if switched ).

Like JustinBB7 said, except Tinker very few ( none ? ) hero make boots of travel as first boots.
 

Procarbine

Forever Platinum
And with regard to the boots discussion, do not undervalue Phase Boots on carries, treads are not the end all. Being able to move around and allow yourself to auto attack is often worth more than being able to auto attack faster. Sniper especially, mobility is his weakness and that boost of speed can mean the difference between life and death.
 

Htown

STOP SHITTING ON MY MOTHER'S HEADSTONE
just a heads up

if you think that most people besides you are "oversensitive", it's probably because you're kind of being an asshole.


just my experience
 

dorkimoe

Member
Because I made a mistake? I overthought it.

We're not all paragons of accuracy and decision making like you two clearly are.

Edit: too late Phandy. You're going on the list.

If it makes you feel any better I've seen nilay miss about a billion SK stuns
 

Phandy

Member
Because I made a mistake? I overthought it.

We're not all paragons of accuracy and decision making like you two clearly are.

Edit: too late Phandy. You're going on the list.

Comon I was 1 minute ahead of you :(


My problem with reporting is its kind of random. I got muted a while back for just telling someone what they did wrong, not over aggressively. Since then I have been on some insane tirades against people and never been muted since.
I don't how to act Valve??!!! HALP!
 

Anteo

Member
I have been playing with bots ever since I got my dota 2 invite. first at easy. then scaled up as I try to learn the game. Zeus was my first hero to give me a win against bots (easy).
I lost a lot afterwards (increasing difficulty) but learned from each defeat. then just the past 3-4 days been finally playing on unfair difficulty. I do not recall a win with Zeus, instead I got all my wins with Sniper or Shadow Fiend. Fond of Sniper atm.

Today I finally decided to take a gander at online. here are my results:

My first game online, 1st blood! Seems Sniper will be my mainstay for the time being. He is ridiculously easy to play with. Gonna try other heroes soon as I get comfortable with them vs bots.

Only got some questions.... is it all downhill from here and how do I upload my matches on youtube?

Ok this is what I have to say about this match

Early game:

Good:
-Harrasing enemies.

OK:
-2 last hits/3 deny by 2 mins

Bad:
-Sometimes you give priority to deny creeps over last hits.
-Often overstimated your damage, missing some last hits.
-Sometimes autoattacked.
-Carefull with your position, Windrunner could have had easy stuns on you many times, one of those and she and Phantom Assasin would get half of your health in no time.

Early-Mid:
Good:
-Nice use of the Ultimate to get some kills.

Bad:
-Why get Yasha instead of boots?
-Why the buyback?

Mid:
OK:
-Some nice Kill Secures right there! :lol
-What where you trying to farm?
-Dat Bristle with 200> wins
-Not your fault but: What the hell with that trade. Your team traded a 3rd tier and rax for a enemy 3rd tier?

Mid-Late
Bad:
-In a couple of teamfights, the enemy Witch Doctor used his channeling ultimate, you didn't focus him, your ministun will stop his ultimate, next time focus him.

Overall:
Good. Still need to learn a few things about positioning in fights, but good overall considering the enemy skill. Also, that bristleback carried your team
 

Turok_TTZ

Member
I'm on it. First time playing dota2 or you have a previous experience on WC3 Dota?
Never played WC3 dota (warcraft 3?) and as stated, all ive been playing is vs bots since i got the dota2 invite (which was... 2 months ago?). this was my first dota2 match playing online against real peeps. I'm very green to online dota2 so I wanted some opinions on how I play sniper and what I did great/horrid.

edit: i see u posted. hold up a moment let me read...

Early game:

Good:
-Harrasing enemies.

OK:
-2 last hits/3 deny by 2 mins

Bad:
-Sometimes you give priority to deny creeps over last hits.
-Often overstimated your damage, missing some last hits.
-Sometimes autoattacked.
-Carefull with your position, Windrunner could have had easy stuns on you many times, one of those and she and Phantom Assasin would get half of your health in no time.
I actually thought my positioning was decent but i did wonder why windrunner didn't try to stun me often. I see I need to be more careful. and what u mean autoattack lol ?
Early-Mid:
Good:
-Nice use of the Ultimate to get some kills.

Bad:
-Why get Yasha instead of boots?
-Why the buyback?
wanted to build manta style quickly but my priorities always seem to change as game goes on..... I wanted to get back quickly and I thought it was best coa at the time.
Mid:
OK:
-Some nice Kill Secures right there! :lol
-What where you trying to farm?
-Dat Bristle with 200> wins
-Not your fault but: What the hell with that trade. Your team traded a 3rd tier and rax for a enemy 3rd tier?
I am new so I have no idea what you're trying to say here lol.
Mid-Late
Bad:
-In a couple of teamfights, the enemy Witch Doctor used his channeling ultimate, you didn't focus him, your ministun will stop his ultimate, next time focus him.
A lot of times I somehow didn't even notice the witch doctor. tis a problem of mine, i tend to not see peeps at times.
Overall:
Good. Still need to learn a few things about positioning in fights, but good overall considering the enemy skill. Also, that bristleback carried your team
and here i thought viper carried the team lol. I'll need to rewatch the replay again later. thanks for your words.
 

G-Unit

Member
oh wow, my mac keyboard is sort of dead.... 1-0 keys are gone.... after 3 months... fuck this. I'm getting a mech keyboard now
 

Keylime

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oh wow, my mac keyboard is sort of dead.... 1-0 keys are gone.... after 3 months... fuck this. I'm getting a mech keyboard now

I love my mechanical keyboard so damn much. Dat clickity clack is more addictive than smack and crack and all other boards are wack, like an attack to your ballsack.
 

shira

Member
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This is getting fast-track approved isn't it. League of Legends here we come.
 

K.Sabot

Member
Haha Sing reported his teammate that was in his stack for being an asshole spaniard and he got muted for 168 hours after the game.

Nice system Volvo
 

Turok_TTZ

Member
I forgot to mention this but main reason for my aversion to power threads is that vs bots, I've never won a single match against bots whenever i got my sniper or anyone else power threads lol. dunno why but just bad luck i guess.
 
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