Been testing blink on him. Like it a lot. Recommended item build?
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Been testing blink on him. Like it a lot. Recommended item build?
Offlaner.
Mid if your team does not have one or a solo offlane has been picked.
Any mid matchups I should try to avoid?
People just look for things to complain about. Maybe it's your hero pick, or your item choices, or not ganking instead of farming (or vice versa). It's very rare that someone will complain about your hero choice when/once you're winning. It's particularly bad for popular heroes like Pudge because so many people suck with him it looks like auto-lose unless you're Dendi.
Best to ignore it.
Best to ignore it.
IHeartTSwift
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Gentle Rodriguez
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Offlane, but it was me and KOTL versus solo Void, so we dominated. I did pretty well farming I think. I only needed my Linkens recipe after 16 minutes and then the opposing team mass dc'd because of an abandon, so 20 minutes is generous I think.
It also reinforced the fact that it's mostly been my supports' fault that I don't do well in farming roles in side lanes, this KOTL did well to keep void out and secure my farm.
Edit: Woo, 100 wins! I've finally reached the rank of Scrub.
neurosisxeno
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Anti-Mage does not belong on that list. Chinese teams play him all the time and always have. PA and Drow have seen play on and off, the problem is that there are always better heroes to play. PA is outclassed by AM, Void, Luna, PL, and quite a few others. Yes she has the potential for big crits, but she also has the potential to get nuked by 2 supports and be instagibbed in a team fight. Drow is alright early game, but she needs positioning and a lot of support to get online, the same can be said of Sniper. I would take a Clinkz over either of those 2 in a heartbeat, and that's not even considering someone like Luna or Gyro.
Then there's my main man Pudge. People don't like Pudge being picked because 90% of people that play Pudge in pubs are miserable at best. I constantly see them sitting in mid until level 7+, ignoring runes, taking poor routes to gank, not smoking themselves, not co-ordinating, missing hooks, hooking teamates out of fights, and any other severe annoyance. I'll also go ahead and say Blink Dagger Pudge immediately makes me feel like we're going to lose the game. Yet to see a single person make that work, and I'd love to know who popularized that atrocity...
Probably the fact that Blink Dagger was enabled on Pudge not long ago and the removal of mana cost being a big deal for Pudge's shit mana pool. I'm going to guess these rush Blink Pudges you see try to be all "xXx360NoVisionBlinkHook420xXx" instead of just doing the sensible thing and Blinking for a Dismember. I usually get a couple of small items (Urn, Tranqs, Bottle) before I go Blink on Pudge. It is a really great item on him though. Blink Dismembers really do wonders, and pretty much guarantee you the Pure damage from Hook.
Lots of people seem to forget Dismember goes through BKB too (but not the damage). It can sort of be used like a Beastmaster Roar. Even if they do stop your Dismember early, you've probably gotten off enough of it to get the job done already, and it's on a 30 second cooldown.
Sure, I can see this, but then you have cases like Earth Spirit during 6.79 whose winrate was shit in pubs, yet obviously you and I both know how much of a god he was back then.
Pretty much, just a pet peeve of mine in pub doto.
Here's a dumb bit of theorycraft for 6,81 that may or may not be viable, but is certainly worth thinking about.
KotL mid (mainly for farming an Aghanim's)
+Good way to supress enemy mid, Illuminate has long range, good damage
+Can effectively push the lane at will
+Good mana sustenance
+When he hits 6 he can call in an ally for a gank easily. Particularly useful against a farming mid.
-Squishy
-Some mids might be trouble for him, espeically ones that can catch him far back enough channeling an Illuminate. I'm talking Pudge with level 3 hook, Puck, Clockwerk, and more.
-Won't be putting Chakra to much use on others until he has his Aghanim's up.
-No real gank potential other than on the enemy mid by calling someone else in, or if you go to another lane and recall someone.
I would think you would just go brown boots, maybe a Bottle if you want it to grab runes, but you probably won't be ganking until you can recall people in.
Am I completely crazy here or could this actually be viable?
KotL mid (mainly for farming an Aghanim's)
+Good way to supress enemy mid, Illuminate has long range, good damage
+Can effectively push the lane at will
+Good mana sustenance
+When he hits 6 he can call in an ally for a gank easily. Particularly useful against a farming mid.
-Squishy
-Some mids might be trouble for him, espeically ones that can catch him far back enough channeling an Illuminate. I'm talking Pudge with level 3 hook, Puck, Clockwerk, and more.
-Won't be putting Chakra to much use on others until he has his Aghanim's up.
-No real gank potential other than on the enemy mid by calling someone else in, or if you go to another lane and recall someone.
I would think you would just go brown boots, maybe a Bottle if you want it to grab runes, but you probably won't be ganking until you can recall people in.
Am I completely crazy here or could this actually be viable?
I play tons of heroes
Like Clockwerk... and clockwerk and clockwerk and clockwerk.
If AwfulWaffle is the EGM of mumblegaf then you're the YYF of gafstack.
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That too, but you can't honestly tell me there aren't mids that Nyx also tears up.
SteveWinwood
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Kotl mid was always viable if you just want to push hard and fuck over the other mid guy.
Yeah unless the other guy can just kill you.
Yeah unless the other guy can just kill you.
Yeah, like I said there would be trouble spots.
Also who doesn't Ember counter? I feel like he technically "beats" every mid unless you did something wonky like Faceless Void mid.
Gentle Rodriguez
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I feel like KotL is a bit too easy to gank. Get anyone to rotate and he dies, if you even need anyone to rotate. Low HP, no escape, I don't see it happening against 90% of mids.
Also I don't think Aghs is worth giving the mid to KotL, it's a waste of farm.
Also I don't think Aghs is worth giving the mid to KotL, it's a waste of farm.
shira
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Dreams-Visions
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Wins hard to come by tonight. Shit.
1.09 legit awful confirmed.
Don't forget my amazing solo offlane Anti-Mage.
IHeartTSwift
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Lol ill take that
SteveWinwood
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i wanna try a solo mid chen where you max test of faith and penitence
hes like the only hero i dont see midding going well but I wanna see me proven wrong
rush dagon + penitence = ez
Gentle Rodriguez
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http://dotabuff.com/matches/631486955
I don't want to say I blame my team, but I blame my team. Went up solo against Riki and BM in my lane and won, suddenly people started dying once he hit 6. Terrorblade somehow didn't farm in lane despite being in a trilane in which they got several kills.
I don't want to say I blame my team, but I blame my team. Went up solo against Riki and BM in my lane and won, suddenly people started dying once he hit 6. Terrorblade somehow didn't farm in lane despite being in a trilane in which they got several kills.
neurosisxeno
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I used to see people do that in DotA 1. Shenanigans were had in that game...
Gentle Rodriguez
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They kept buying dust but I told them to get sentries too. I don't get the point of dust for Riki, he's not coming out of invis unless he can kill you 1 on 1 really fast, what the hell is dusting him going to do? Asshole bought a gem too so my sentries didn't last long, but the game was over by that point.
neurosisxeno
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Weaver put his first point in Stats.... is that a thing now?
I'm a bit surprised Icefrog didn't try to shake up the detection area at all, right now Sentry Wards still seem so much better then dust in most cases.
Gentle Rodriguez
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Probably why he died really early.
^^I agree, but I wouldn't know what else he could put in the game. I hate how expensive it is and the cooldown, I don't remember it ever being overpowered so I don't get the long cd.
SteveWinwood
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Lina brew and razor in this IG game on the Bts stream right now.
Do sentries slow and stay on a hero outside of a radius?
No, but does dust persist for 4 minutes and have zero cooldown?
Gentle Rodriguez
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That's an amazing Brew, godlike micro.
Procarbine
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legit why do you feel the need to start that sentence with legit it just makes you sound stupid legit legit legit legit
Sigismundo
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This Brewmaster. Jesus Christ.
Should have used wards, but also you were rich as hell and tanky. You should have bought a gem, and hunted the rat down. Had a similar game where I bought gem even though I was the main carry, and took two heroes with me to push while the other two held our remaining towers. We killed Riki over and over until their team lost the will to fight. They were bitching at each other in all chat when we smashed their base.
Unreal play.
The_Player
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Seriously, where's the patch? Wasn't it supposed to be dropped on monday?