That doesn't mean "Screw the players and the rules, I have money" nor does that make it any less scummy if they actually are trying to kick Era. A lot of businesses do things because they are a business. That doesn't excuse it from being wrong.
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Green Biker Dude
Banned
huh. i thought the dota community always solved its issues with 1v1s mids. or so i was led to believe. just have icefrog 1v1 the fnatic manager or era 1v1 excalibur or whatever. winner goes to ti4 and loses before the main stage, loser gets a shitty hat. everyone's almost happy.
Wishful thinking. I wasn't excusing them, I was saying it was logical.
A lot of logical decisions leave a bad taste in people's mouths.
I agree with this.
And the parenthetical statement. But, yeah, FACE is right. Diretide? Valve learned their lesson. We only had to wait 24 hours this time.
If Diretide is anything to go by then Valve being "unprofessional" and making a public statement is way better than the alternative.
manfestival
Member
man this e-sports drama on here is like listening to the ladies in my office talk about the housewives shows and the kardashians. Its almost sickening
The problem here is that it functions with all the goals of a business but rarely the responsibilities of one. How many times have player contracts been garbage, non existent or not enforced? How many tournaments have never paid out, paid out less than they advertised or managers got the money and never gave it to players?
Organizations can look out for themselves and their profits without attempting to fuck over their employees. Looking at how major the prizepool got via crowd funding you'd think that maintaining a good image to your fanbase would be just as important as making sure your players are at peak performance. Sowing ill will in the community to ensure a better chance at one event could lead to a loss of support in future years and a wariness from players to join you in fear that you will try the same to them should they ever be below their best at an inopportune time.
Valve really really needs to get more involved and set some groundrules so that teams have more freedom to manage their rosters but players also have more protection in the case of shifting. I know they want to let the scene do as it will but that only leads to problems because a lack of regulation means it's gonna be players who suffer far more than anyone else.
Did anyone post a 10 million thread gaming side?
They did - it became public weeks ago and Valve needed to clarify their position since Fnatic management was trying to rally public opinion disingenuously.
They did - it became public weeks ago and Valve needed to clarify their position since Fnatic management was trying to rally public opinion disingenuously.
Wok
Member
Actually, it would make sense to have official stand-ins in a team, so that it is not just the five players and the manager, but also 1-2 stand-in players. Any prize would be split between the players, including the stand-ins.
Dreams-Visions
Member
This is due to the infancy of the scene itself. For whatever reason, organizations like Fnatic (or even Valve) don't learn from the lessons of sports. But I can't really fault them overmuch. As a video game person, I know jack shit about sports or the culture or history, especially with regards to management. These things take time, and shit like this helps put everyone on the fast track to a better organized scene.
My daily hero challenge... Six attempts to carry 4 retards as Luna solo queue today. Six failures. The level of retardation in these games is staggering. STAGGERING.
edit: tell me it's my fault GAF http://dotabuff.com/players/1637848
edit: tell me it's my fault GAF http://dotabuff.com/players/1637848
ashecitism
Member
Gowans did.
Wok
Member
Now that I am ranked at 2.9K instead of 2.6K, I can feel a big difference: teammates actually know how to play! Most of the time.
You are either really unlucky, or it is your fault.
You are either really unlucky, or it is your fault.
Well, I have a really unpopular opinion about Diretide anyway but I think it's a bad sign if organizations are beholden to the irrationality of a minority in the fanbase.
Yeah...
Wok
Member
It would be their choice:
- either have stand-ins from the start, and therefore split the revenues,
- or accept that you cannot ditch a player once he is officially invited to TI, and therefore avoid last-minute begging to IceFrog and Valve.
How did none of them learn from whatever policies regarding standins were being used or abused in CS, quake, the original Dota etc? I know the scene wasn't as big or developed as it is now but these had to be issues people saw coming from miles away as the scene grew. The contracts problem seems to crop up in every game and appears to be eternally unsolvable . Well minus cases like Riot and Kespa where one organization has complete control which can be both good and bad.
Bah, I suppose you are right though and this will force everyone to work harder to get a workable system hammered out sooner.
OldAsUrSock
Banned
Fnatic should just concede and let Era play in the International. If they keep this up then they might just be banned for unsportsmanlike conduct.
its your fault
that item build sucks shit
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So sounds like Fnatic wanted to use Era's (now being treated) anxiety and depression to get as favorable a lineup for TI as possible. Obviously that's the goal of any organization going into a tournament, but from the emails it seems obvious that they have no regard for his apparent readiness to play.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
I was playing shadow shaman, and my teammates told me I should put my serpent wards around the enemy tower (by casting them directly on the tower) rather than besides it like I normally do. Is there any reason for this?
It says "No group or player records were found matching your search terms". Maybe you set your account to private?
Also, I'm a newer player who's been adding a lot of other people for that exact reason. I'd be happy to add you so we can play together, or at least set you up with the other friendly, communicating people I play with.
Alternatively, connect to the GAF and Giant Bomb chatrooms, there are often people looking to put together groups over there.
It says "No group or player records were found matching your search terms". Maybe you set your account to private?
Also, I'm a newer player who's been adding a lot of other people for that exact reason. I'd be happy to add you so we can play together, or at least set you up with the other friendly, communicating people I play with.
Alternatively, connect to the GAF and Giant Bomb chatrooms, there are often people looking to put together groups over there.
I certainly disagree with how Fnatic treated this situation, but does anyone else find it odd that EG has seemingly gotten a pass for the same thing? Fear has been streaming out 5-6 hours of Dota a day, so it's not like he's incapable of playing now. EG is certainly better off with Mason at this point since they have been practicing with him for so long, so it is hard to feel that EG isn't using Fear's old injury as an excuse to use a better lineup.
Another Luna attempt. I got called a noob so many times in this game.
http://dotabuff.com/matches/745477787
http://dotabuff.com/matches/745477787
Don't worry, Fear got a paycheck comin his way with a note: "STOP FUCKIN STREAMING AND MAKE MORE DOCTOR TWEETS."
not as far as i know. i would even say it is disadvantageous since your wards will be more spread out.
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
Calculating attack speed is kind of confusing with those terms so I'll just explain you how to do it.
Most heroes have a base attack time of 1.7. The base attack speed for everyone is 100, and increased attack speed is your agility + any IAS items (+30 from treads, +80 from mjolnir, etc.).
To calculate your attacks per second, divide your total attack speed by your base attack time * 100.
A lvl 6 Wraith King with strength treads and magic wand (29 agi): (100+29+30)/170 = 0.94 attacks per second.
A lvl 6 Juggernaut with a poor man's shield and magic wand (43.25 agi): (100+43.25)/140 = 1.02 attacks per second.
Hope that helps! Also I could be stupid and have this all be wrong, but I believe I tested this in game some time ago and the numbers worked out.
Purple Cheeto
Member
EG informed them way ahead of time. Fear hasn't been at odds with his team. Era contacted volvo asking them to uphold his invite to TI. Valve is looking out for the player so that management doesn't take advantage of the situation. If Fear had been asking to play back when this first happened, they probably would have taken the same action. If Era hadn't asked to go to TI, they probably would have let fnatic get away with this. Basically, they invited Era and Era still wants to play, so they're upholding the invite.
EG has been playing with Mason for months, even before invites went out, so they were a proven TI level team with or without him.
More importantly, Fear didn't email valve telling them he could play but was being pushed out.
Purple Cheeto
Member
Could you imagine if Drew Bledsoe had emailed the NFL and told them Bill Belicheck was lying about his injuries so that they could play some random kid named Tom Brady over him? The course of history might've been forever altered.
Someone link me to a really good pro match from the past couple of weeks
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manfestival
Member
who cares about fnatic? they werent going to win anyways
Their fans?
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
He got his hush $$$ and a promised piece of the TI pie before era did. Sounds like era sent that email to Valve and then got his hush $$$ and promised cut of TI afterwards, and now the whole thing has blown up.
^they're going to show the x-rays and/or cat scans!
NFL doesn't look out for players. That's what the NFLPA is for. NFL is about making money and the owners' best interests first. That letter would have been burned in the same fire as all those spy gate tapes.
NFL doesn't look out for players. That's what the NFLPA is for. NFL is about making money and the owners' best interests first. That letter would have been burned in the same fire as all those spy gate tapes.
SteveWinwood
Member
so you're claiming that valve gave you translucency but not transparency
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