Shorty11857
Member
What the hell was that from EE
-
Hey, guest user. Hope you're enjoying NeoGAF! Have you considered registering for an account? Come join us and add your take to the daily discourse.
DOTA 2 |OT9| League of Ancients (6.84)
- Thread starter Teknopathetic
- Start date
- Status
Imp the Dimp
Member
C9 games are always so fun. How can anybody not like that team?
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
why was ee even there
middle of nowhere
because they can't end a game within the hour
middle of nowhere
because they can't end a game within the hour
Monochromaticx
Member
D
Deleted member 77995
Unconfirmed Member
72 minute Naga games are the best kind of Naga games
Wok
Member
I might have reached a ceiling with Riki support: I have just fought against a team who would always carry dust on two heroes so that when I use Eul, they pop a 2nd dust. Atos is fun but might be less effective than a casual Diffusal after Eul.
They almost buy no sentry, they buy no gem. I feed on them when they are solo but when there are two heroes...
They almost buy no sentry, they buy no gem. I feed on them when they are solo but when there are two heroes...
Technosteve
Banned
icex3 abusing that wisp support aw
you can't ban everything that fy makes look OP
A Sentient Keyboard
Member
I am enjoying my free MMR before 6.84. It is a totally different game when you abuse Euls.
I feel like im missing something about eul's on support riki. What does it do that getting a diffusal anyway does not? Both can be used lock people down and purge dust of yourself, but diffusal gives a looot of damage and is only 300 gold more expensive. Also, does smoke screen really need eul's for setup? Teach me pls.
Shuggananas
Banned
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
Watch Fy get a shitton of farm.
Aghs bkb Blink refresher CM boys
Aghs bkb Blink refresher CM boys
http://fragbite.se/fragtv/video/2296/iceiceice-i-didnt-know-how-bad-the-other-teams-were
So Ice3 thinks the rubberband mechanics is overestimated? He's saying its not even strong enough to build teams around it.
So Ice3 thinks the rubberband mechanics is overestimated? He's saying its not even strong enough to build teams around it.
this tournament at least it's seemed like there's been way more stomps than comebacks
SilentRacoon
Member
Why? It's his only escape ability , its cast range is half of other heroes blink and also has twice the cooldown, if they ever nerf it then might as well nerf every other built in blink in the game.
close to the edge
Member
I love this iG draft. Those VG vs iG games are a lot more fun that most of the games involving western teams this tournament. Not enough CIS teams.
This Sven is ridiculous.
This Sven is ridiculous.
most blinks don't purge a ridiculous number of abilities
give it more range but you shouldn't be able to get rid of status effects with it
Western teams too busy complaining about the comeback mechanics and troll/sniper to be fun.
SteveWinwood
Member
I said it then, and I'll say it now, no one gave them enough of a shot before just complaining about it.
SilentRacoon
Member
Oh yeah didn't thought about that, but I still think it's balanced enough, jugg for example can remove any debuffs and also become spell immune, I fear that nerfing doppelganger would render his solo pushing capabilities useless.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
So is this going to be like TI3 finals? Wisp wins everything.
the spin doesn't make him invincible and provide distraction illusions either edit: it doesn't let him pass cliffs either
like i said, added range or some other small buff would be fine, but making a hard carry who comes online that early as difficult to kill as a puck is a problem
Monochromaticx
Member
D: oh no
VG always lose to a puck in the finals (ti4,DAC)
VG always lose to a puck in the finals (ti4,DAC)
I think back when the patch came out they were a bit much, but they are much more within reason now. They still might get a nerf though.
On a related note, DB+ has some nice stuff on this. In the last game I played last night, look at part of the death log.
You can see the huge difference when I killed FV, and that is because he hadn't died one at that point and had 10+ kills. This didn't singlehandedly win us the game, we had to do a lot more to win the game, but it was helpful as it boosted me into my next item and gave money to the assisting teammates.
Although this isn't a great example of rubber band, as the gold and XP graphs are 90-100% red.
Also, I have definitely learned that positive (and humorous) encouragement of teammates can help you win games. Yes, you guys have been saying that forever. I just tilt too much. :/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1424826859
On a related note, DB+ has some nice stuff on this. In the last game I played last night, look at part of the death log.
You can see the huge difference when I killed FV, and that is because he hadn't died one at that point and had 10+ kills. This didn't singlehandedly win us the game, we had to do a lot more to win the game, but it was helpful as it boosted me into my next item and gave money to the assisting teammates.
Although this isn't a great example of rubber band, as the gold and XP graphs are 90-100% red.
Also, I have definitely learned that positive (and humorous) encouragement of teammates can help you win games. Yes, you guys have been saying that forever. I just tilt too much. :/
http://www.dotabuff.com/matches/1424826859
Euls:
-Mana Regen
-Bonus Movespeed
-Infinite Dust Purge
-Less expensive
As support Riki, your job is to be everywhere annoying everyone so the less time you spend in base the better. Diffusal gives you some of the same utility as Euls but is nowhere near as multifaceted.
I think back when the patch came out they were a bit much, but they are much more within reason now. They still might get a nerf though.
On a related note, DB+ has some nice stuff on this. In the last game I played last night, look at part of the death log.
You can see the huge difference when I killed FV, and that is because he hadn't died one at that point and had 10+ kills. This didn't singlehandedly win us the game, we had to do a lot more to win the game, but it was helpful as it boosted me into my next item and gave money to the assisting teammates.
Remember that if a hero had 10+ kills and 0 deaths in 6.81, that's a godlike streak which gave like what, 1250-1500 in just pure bounty gold? I think the gold comeback mechanics are the most exaggerated. The xp is clearly the big one, whether it's bad for the game or not seems to be up for debate still.
I wonder if icefrog is making changes right down to the wire based on starladder, or if the patch is set in stone. The Chinese/Western clash has honestly revealed a lot (Chinese teams handing out lessons xD). Who thought troll would fall off the map by the end of the tournament? QoP pretty much 100% first ban? All these obscure heroes like Sven, Gyro, and WR coming out of nowhere and crushing games? Lots of new emerging trends, and plenty of outgoing trends.
Just goes to show that no matter the patch, dota is very often a self-correcting game. The meta will always shift on it's own (sometimes sluggishly--it does need a nudge as pro's get lazy), especially at LAN's. Just a result of the counter and counter-play balancing philosophy that dota operates on, and that icefrog nerfs/buffs around.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
These IG vs VG games are really fun to watch, there's actually a lot of variation in picks every game(except Io + Axe), that's usually unheard of in BO5's.
The way I picture it I don't think Icefrog is caring about whats happening at Star Ladder, he is right now likely making tons of last minute number tweeks. +10 damage here, - 20 mana their, maybe make Drums give +6% move speed instead of +5%, lets make CK base damage floor +8, wait no thats too good now better make it only +4, ect ect.
Gentle Rodriguez
Member
WHERE IS PATCH
NormalFish
Banned
chinese dota is more exciting to watch than tier 1 western dota these days. Crazy.
sleverfunk
Member
Who knew the east were much fun to watch. West just keep complaining about picks and rubberband.
Monochromaticx
Member
Woooo!! Yeah VG!!
The f-gods so good!
The f-gods so good!
- Status