John Kowalski
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Seems more a vocal loud minority...but yes, they do appear more and more prevalent with mass effect release date nearing
i need this mod to happen on pc
This is embarrassing.
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Early impressions from RPS for ME:A. It's... not good
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This is embarrassing.
Outrun
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TheMrPliskin
Member
Seems more a vocal loud minority...but yes, they do appear more and more prevalent with mass effect release date nearing
i need this mod to happen on pc
This real sequel to mass effect 1.So we have 1 positive and 1 negative thread I dont see the problem.
I watched an hour of gameplay this morning. There was a scene that basically soured the experience for me, though I kept watching.
Writing is important. I don't just mean text on items, or script itself. I mean writing as a rationalization of characters, systems and mechanics. Every game needs to do this in some way, to frame the unrealistic gameplay elements correctly against a stylized "realistic" universe.
Most importantly, it needs to take a holistic approach to this end. Everything should make sense, especially the things the characters say in the first half hour, when suspension of disbelief is tenuous.
So, when my character - my avatar for the rest of the game - hears the word "adenosine" and says "ADENO-WHA???" I learn two things about them. Either:
They're stupid. This is an astronaut from the year 2185 who is cyber-enhanced out the eyeballs, and is selected among billions of humans to go to a brand new galaxy who doesn't know basic biology.
Or:
They're unfunny. This "joke," where you're perfectly able to say the more complex part of a word, then stumble on the easy part - they did it in Bully too, "SOCIO-WHAT???" AH HURR HURR HURR - is so rote as to be actively destructive to the narrative you're trying to build about this character. Why do they say it? Clearly they can say the word. Is that their sense of humour? It sounds like it's from 1945, ffs.
Why should this be what I have to learn about my character in the first half hour? Is being competent that unrelatable? If you're a game writer and you do this, STOP. Question EVERYthing that you put in a game. Don't make these "jokes."
Writing is important. I don't just mean text on items, or script itself. I mean writing as a rationalization of characters, systems and mechanics. Every game needs to do this in some way, to frame the unrealistic gameplay elements correctly against a stylized "realistic" universe.
Most importantly, it needs to take a holistic approach to this end. Everything should make sense, especially the things the characters say in the first half hour, when suspension of disbelief is tenuous.
So, when my character - my avatar for the rest of the game - hears the word "adenosine" and says "ADENO-WHA???" I learn two things about them. Either:
They're stupid. This is an astronaut from the year 2185 who is cyber-enhanced out the eyeballs, and is selected among billions of humans to go to a brand new galaxy who doesn't know basic biology.
Or:
They're unfunny. This "joke," where you're perfectly able to say the more complex part of a word, then stumble on the easy part - they did it in Bully too, "SOCIO-WHAT???" AH HURR HURR HURR - is so rote as to be actively destructive to the narrative you're trying to build about this character. Why do they say it? Clearly they can say the word. Is that their sense of humour? It sounds like it's from 1945, ffs.
Why should this be what I have to learn about my character in the first half hour? Is being competent that unrelatable? If you're a game writer and you do this, STOP. Question EVERYthing that you put in a game. Don't make these "jokes."
Rellik
Member
Predicted what? Someone in the minority (so far) disliking a game?
FlutterPuffs
Member
Reminds me of these, just a little less offensive:
The pictures you linked aren't "fixed". They're just more conventionally attractive.
I dont think there's anything offensive of making the characters more attractive. Hell if you want to change her into a furry, because you are into that more power to you.
Heckler456
Banned
Is Holly Nielsen perchance one of them? She seems to like it. Weirdly enough, not mentioned in the OP!
HellofaMouse
Member
sounded like a collection of insignificant nitpicks.
untill..
"Side quests feel like something from a 2004 Korean MMO. Just complete nothingness, running from map icon to map icon, scanning objects with your scanner when told to, and then AI companion SAM letting you know that, yup, the source of the defects has been found/animal has been captured/toddler reunited with rabid tiger, despite your actually doing nothing relevant to the tissue-thin narrative."
untill..
"Side quests feel like something from a 2004 Korean MMO. Just complete nothingness, running from map icon to map icon, scanning objects with your scanner when told to, and then AI companion SAM letting you know that, yup, the source of the defects has been found/animal has been captured/toddler reunited with rabid tiger, despite your actually doing nothing relevant to the tissue-thin narrative."
Ascenion
Member
He said playing Witcher 3 was like that. Witcher 3 was my GOTY in 2015 and I agree with him. Actually playing it doesn't rank high on my fun meter.
Shinobis thread was more of a "i played 3 hours of the game, heres what i think.. and ama about what i've played so far"
This is more of a "hey look a negative review; lets make a NEW thread when theres already a hand's on impressions/preview thread... lets all feed off of it and ignore all the positive ones out there." Judging by OP's posts in this thread (the one with the gif), its easy to conclude this thread was simply based off his hate on the game
The problem being, again, that if we are going the "thread for each impression" route, wed have 30 positive threads, not one. But nobody is going to post 30 positive threads about impressions because that wouod be ridiculous.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
They all walk like this, no matter the situation lol
You just made me hackle like a hyena.
Was their response the result of a dialogue choice, or the just the natural flow of that scripted interaction though?
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Im not a hater of the game, in fact i have preorder becuase I founf a great price for it, but the eyes right now in the game are a huge desing problem.
This is what you wanted:
This was really a 15 minutes work (the other guy did a complete character overhaul, and I can assure you that took much more than 15 minutes), but it demonstrates that without changing the character design (although slighting the yes like here, is changing a little bit of it IMO) and only touching up the eyes its miles better. Its the inexpressive iris and the animation what I have most a problem with.
Reminds me of these, just a little less offensive:
Why does the eyes here (and I mean the original black character) look miles better than what they are doing with Mass Effect. Thats my biggest problem here. Its like they threw the eye designer and modeller out and used the toiler cleaner to make them.
Dick Justice
Banned
When in doubt, attack the author for his views on other games like The Witcher 3, because not having a 100% positive preview circlejerk for your favourite company's new game is simply intolerable.
No she is a contributing writer. The other main writers at RPS are Alec Meer, Graham Smith, Adam Smith, Alice O'Connor and Philippa Warr.
the question isn't trust but rather whether your tastes are closer to the person sharing their impressions. JW and Shinobi seem like opposite sides of the same coin (one seems to hate a lot of AAA, one seems to love a lot of AAA), so two different opinions doesn't seem like it's an issue of trust as that word is normally understood.
Seems more a vocal loud minority...but yes, they do appear more and more prevalent with mass effect release date nearing
i need this mod to happen on pc
I always wanted to play The Elder Scrolls: Oblivion: In Space
At least the environments look stunning. Full Helmets or mods will help for screenshots once I get to them.
thepenguin55
Member
Yeah, the only "improvement" I guess would be that the eyes in the image on the right look a little more realistic. Other than that the image is almost equivalent to that photo shopped image of Faith where she looked less Asian, had bigger boobs and a rounder head.
It was based on an inconsequential response of SAM to the character - probably happens in both cases, I dunno
Pop-O-Matic
Banned
Im not a hater of the game, in fact i have preorder becuase I founf a great price for it, but the eyes right now in the game are a huge desing problem.
This is what you wanted:
This was really a 15 minutes work (the other guy did a complete character overhaul, and I can assure you that took much more than 15 minutes), but it demonstrates that without changing the character design (although slighting the yes like here, is changing a little bit of it IMO) and only touching up the eyes its miles better. Its the inexpressive iris and the animation what I have most a problem with.
Nah, the original eyes look better. Closer to what most people actually have.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Most people are dead in the eyes?
Becuase the eyes of the original look like your avatar, not a real person, model or not. I dont have a problem with the original shape (I already saidf that the salnting was already trying to change the design, but I was just using what the other guy did) I have a problem with the iris.
Iris are look wet IRL, not handpainted with sharp edges like in Andromeda.
What did he mean by this?
Member
I dont think the game looks that great but the amount of confirmation bias going around here is really obnoxious
Trickster
Member
If that is remotely true the game deserves to get mauled critically.
The weakest part of DA:I by far was the superficial mmo type stuff of collecting x items and killing y enemies. If they've learned since then they deserve no pity
I'm finally sitting down and watching the 2 hour gameinformer stream, spoilers be damned. This is a pretty ugly game. The animations and character models just aren't very good. This Liam guy and Lexi chick look like the most generic characters ever. They can't be main party members can they? But these fucking faces. There's like no emotion. It looks like Fallout 4 and I hated Fallout 4. I'm so on the fence it's not even funny.
Im not a hater of the game, in fact i have preorder becuase I founf a great price for it, but the eyes right now in the game are a huge desing problem.
This is what you wanted:
This was really a 15 minutes work (the other guy did a complete character overhaul, and I can assure you that took much more than 15 minutes), but it demonstrates that without changing the character design (although slighting the yes like here, is changing a little bit of it IMO) and only touching up the eyes its miles better. Its the inexpressive iris and the animation what I have most a problem with.
Why does the eyes here (and I mean the original black character) look miles better than what they are doing with Mass Effect. Thats my biggest problem here. Its like they threw the eye designer and modeller out and used the toiler cleaner to make them.
That looks good but her default face looks fine here too. In the videos, she looks so odd for some reason.
chillybright
Banned
I am a little worried about ME:A, but this piece came from a dude who thought pre-patched ME3 ending was amazing and Witcher 3 was like eating cardboard.
Sorry but that is like, your opinions.
Sorry but that is like, your opinions.
Reuniting a toddler with a rabid tiger sounds way more interesting than most minor sidequests in RPGs tbh.
RedAssedApe
Banned
hmm...when are reviews going up?
might be time to actually start FFXV if this doesn't review well
might be time to actually start FFXV if this doesn't review well
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
To be fair, Shinboi is far from an unbiased source on all things Mass Effect.
I notice people keep using the image of Sara from the outdated design document, in the current one she looks like this:
Yeah this is true.
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
Yeah i dont have a problem with her face design. You probably notice more that she looks worse in the videos becuase the eye animation is seriously dreadful and they seem like they are looking always at the horizon instead of the guy they are talking with.
I notice people keep using the image of Sara from the outdated design document, in the current one she looks like this:
That looks much better, still, the freaking iris.
BTW I was just working with the material given.
peanutbutterlatte
Member
Unless we haven't got bored of vilifying people who don't like Witcher 3, it's irrelevant.
I'm pretty sure this has been a thing in all Bioware games. I certainly remember being bugged by eye animation in the original trilogy.
Lister
Banned
Im not a hater of the game, in fact i have preorder becuase I founf a great price for it, but the eyes right now in the game are a huge desing problem.
This is what you wanted:
This was really a 15 minutes work (the other guy did a complete character overhaul, and I can assure you that took much more than 15 minutes), but it demonstrates that without changing the character design (although slighting the yes like here, is changing a little bit of it IMO) and only touching up the eyes its miles better. Its the inexpressive iris and the animation what I have most a problem with.
Why does the eyes here (and I mean the original black character) look miles better than what they are doing with Mass Effect. Thats my biggest problem here. Its like they threw the eye designer and modeller out and used the toiler cleaner to make them.
Holy shit thanks! Thats awesome. Hoping for eye mods now.
I'm not having a go at you, it's more to make a point that different lighting and aperture can make people look rather different, in the vein of that light swinging around the woman's head that's been posted a few times.
JetSetRadio
Banned
Is this low budget?
SpacePirate Ridley
Member
I actually didnt mind in the original triology becuase i suppose I accepted the limitations at the time, but i watched a gameplay the other day and yes, the animations are not good. Games like the witcher 3 have probably change my mind a lot.
But in defense of the original triology, the iris didnt look that bad. Here it looks like vanilla sims 2/sims 3 before mods started appearing.
Yeah, dont worry.
Lister
Banned
I notice people keep using the image of Sara from the outdated design document, in the current one she looks like this:
This definitely looks better too.
one thing that hurts Bioware in the current climate is that their games tend to have a significant amount of jank, and the enthusiast AAA fan tolerance for jank in big AAA is way lower in 2017 than 2007.
Exploratory
Banned
I notice people keep using the image of Sara from the outdated design document, in the current one she looks like this:
Lmao. Unbelievable that an outdated Ry is the topic of discussion for like 3 pages come on people.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
You need to look up Shinobi's post history regarding Mass Effect games. (3 in particular)
The RPS article was interesting and really it comes down to what you expect from the games you purchase and play.
There are plenty of people that don't have the expectations for their games like the writer at RPS has. I imagine those people will enjoy Andromeda.
I still recall how badly Bioware botched Mass Effect 3 and I remember how bloated and awkward Dragon Age Inquisition was at times. This article makes Andromeda sound like the love child of ME3 and DAI.
Heckler456
Banned
How is a fan of the series's opinion less valid than a person who, given his opinion on The Witcher 3, seems to hate the genre to begin with?
Seems more a vocal loud minority...but yes, they do appear more and more prevalent with mass effect release date nearing
i need this mod to happen on pc
This has made both more attractive, but so what? Part of the appeal of the second character is that they're kind of goofy looking.
This is just like generic looking downwards guy that's in all games these days.