It's been known that Bioware fucking sucks at modeling females. I remember the talks about how Miranda looked nothing like Yvonne in ME2. It's clear they need a revamp of the animations and modeling team so I don't think this was some deliberate action on the part of Bioware to depict 'plain' women so much as their team just again being fairly bad. They do much better with males as seen by Shepard and even male Ryder but for whatever reason can't exactly do the same with the female batch.
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Early impressions from RPS for ME:A. It's... not good
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bigdaddygamebot
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Yeah...but his latest "I played 3 hours of Andromeda and..." thread felt a bit...gross. There's also the fact that I don't think he discloses how he got his hands on a copy. I'm not saying, "RAWR! Bioware is manipulating us!"
I'm just saying there's not a whole lot of transparency other than..."Oh that Shinobi! He's such a super-fan, that guy!"
That cat starts a good many threads about Andromeda.
shinobi602
Member
I just praise games that give me enjoyment dude. That's all there is it to it.
Arrogant Bastard
Banned
It looks better but the issue is still the eyes, they all look so damn odd.
Ghostmaster
Member
Bethesda is no longer allowing even reviewers to get their games before release. A bunch of publishers still allow people to get a hands on experience or even review a game only if they fly out to their headquarters.
Origin access, for as much as people rag on EA, is one of the most consumer friendly options for people in general to check out the game without having to preorder. Especially with AAA tittles.
And let's not forget that a bunch of publishers are now on the "pre-order to have early access to the game train."
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Sure. It could mean they are confident but that's all that it means. I don't recall the ME 3 release window and how it unfolded but I'm not sure Bioware has ever been the type of dev studio to bury a game that has problems?
Man Called Aerodynamics
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shinobi602
Member
Gross? WOW. Ok. I got the copy from Bioware, and it was a complete surprise. There's nothing sinister here. I played a few hours, and since the game's not in the majority of people's hands, I liked to give my thoughts on what I played. Plenty of people have done this here with games they've gotten early.
Because I've been excited about the game. I've made threads for tons of games since I've joined GAF in 2010. Because I like to discuss things I'm excited about.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
I believe you. I really do.
There is not doubt in my mind that you're passionate about Andromeda.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
So how does Bioware send a pre-release copy of a game to someone? I apologize because maybe you're part of the press and that's how you got it?
TemplaerDude
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Shinobi has been a top notch contributor to this forum for a long time, I trust him to be as objective as possible.
He's friends with people in BW and got a copy that way and said as much in the community thread. Does this make him more predisposed towards liking the game? Probably. Does it mean anything he said was wrong? No.
Again, I think if you are a Mass Effect fan that tends to look for the good in the series instead of looking for things to crap on, Shinobi's impressions are useful. If you're looking for someone hypercritical then yes someone else's impressions may be better.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Don't mistake for a second that I am questioning his ability to contribute to GAF and he can format the fuck out of a thread.
Pantaghana
Member
I'm not that hyped about ME:A, will probably buy it sometime in the future just to mess around.
But this line:
is fucking depressing once you consider the fact that someone was paid to write that.
That's a line you'd find in a self aware parody.
Or a placeholder that nobody got around to replacing with something not stupid.
But this line:
is fucking depressing once you consider the fact that someone was paid to write that.
That's a line you'd find in a self aware parody.
Or a placeholder that nobody got around to replacing with something not stupid.
Wasnt female ryder based on a fashion magazine model?
You must have missed the part where I still have the game preordered and I own all three of the previous Mass Effects not to mention all of the Dragon Age games and hell, let's go back in the library a bit to Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 where in 2 I was so into the game I got into modding it with my friend and created a brand new spell for my sorcerer that summoned 20 rabid chickens around a target.
The fact is I love this series and I am really worried it is going to turn out to be garbage. I hope I am wrong.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
I am definitely trying to be more of the..."games are great" and less of the... "Yeah but this could have been better" .
I think there's a place for moderation however.
I don't see a difference. I see 2 threads for 2 different opinions from people who have received pre-release code. Is there a pre-approved list of impressions that warrant threads? Are those reserved to only positive articles by users and not gaming sites? Oh, And I certainly don't see how this thread is making it look this preview is the only impression about the game. The title of the thread is "Early impressions from RPS..." not "Literally all the impressions that exist on the internet", you only read it that way because you take an issue with the content. If people don't want to inform themselves further that's their problem, not the thread's. As you said, there are plenty of other impression threads already.
I don't find it curious that he made this thread and didn't make the other one. regardless of whatever timeline there is. It means he wants to discuss this article, not others. Did you find it curious when Shinobi didn't make this thread despite making 2 dozen threads on almost every piece of information regarding this game from him and several other sites? I didn't either. Nobody is stopping you or him or anyone else from making the VentureBeat thread if you so wish. It's kinda dumb to take issue with this. I certainly wouldn't go into your VentureBeat thread and tell you it shouldn't exist. That's not my job and not my decision. The particular reason a bunch of you are taking issue with this thread is because it's not positive. It's very simple, and really dumb.
But that place doesn't have to be a Mass Effect fan's early impressions from someone who isn't even a critic or games journalist.
Not that Shinobi's thread is entirely glowing praise, either.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
Eh in DAI they did make the female characters less modelly intentionally. Vivienne with rather strong facial features, Sera with a broken nose and a non caring rough haircut and Cassandra having sharp tomboyish look.
shinobi602
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I'm not press, simply a friend of some of the guys there. I'm not obligated to talk about the game at all. In fact they didn't want me to, but with the previews lifting yesterday and having a few hours in the game, I asked if I could give my thoughts too since I was hoping some folks here would appreciate a little more detailed impression. Hopefully some appreciated it.
waveuponwave
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Maybe, but Peebee is clearly meant to be 'dorky Asari tomboy', that edit takes her unique look away
JeffG
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Yep!
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Well I for one liked ME3 a great deal (minus the ending) so I'd be glad if this is on that level of quality. I know a lot of people, including you as it seems, disagree with me on that which is completely fine. For me it's more the comparison to Inquisition that causes me to worry but I'll be able to see for myself whether Andromeda is something I could see myself enjoying in a couple of hours. That impression will determine if I preorder this game or not.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Dude you have a whole thread of people that appreciate it and you know that. While we pretty much agree on the entirety of Horizon: ZD, we're just not going to see eye to eye on the Mass Effect thing.
I would have enjoyed being pulled back into the fold but from what I have seen to date; I believe I am just too much of a miserable bastard to forgive and forget.
Enjoy it...like many other people will enjoy it I would wager.
FlutterPuffs
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What's the problem with Shinobi liking Mass Effect Andromeda. He's clearly a big fan of the franchise, and his thread is giving optimism to the die hard fans such as him.
Did Bioware gave the game to him as sort of PR? Yeah, of course but I dont see it as any more of a problem like them giving it to the press.
Did Bioware gave the game to him as sort of PR? Yeah, of course but I dont see it as any more of a problem like them giving it to the press.
Kagoshima_Luke
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Sumio Mondo
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I fail to see how because the writer of this article doesn't like The Witcher 3 disvalues their opinion of THIS game? One person may agree with you on a certain game and you could never agree about a game that you love and they hate. Doesn't discount his opinion for me.
Anyway, I was hoping this game would turn out of better and be a nice surprise since so far only the combat seems good from what I've seen. I don't want another Mass Effect 3 (good combat, rubbish everything else).
Anyway, I was hoping this game would turn out of better and be a nice surprise since so far only the combat seems good from what I've seen. I don't want another Mass Effect 3 (good combat, rubbish everything else).
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Some day when the entirety of NeoGAF are sitting in a bar together I will explain (at length) (and over many pitchers) where and why Bioware lost the plot and possibly how it impacted Inquisition.
What didn't you like about DAI? I find it difficult now to separate Bioware from any of the games they make and I tend to broad brush.
TerryLee81
Member
Good to know, then I still have hopes that it will be good since Witcher 3 is the best game ever made for me.
Male Ryder looks almost exactly like the real life person he was modeled off of. So you think they intentionally made Female Ryder look 'uglier' than her real life model but left male Ryder alone?
Really? lol...
I don't want to invalidate his opinions and he probably brings up good points, but if that's his taste, no thanks lol... I loved Witcher 3.
shinobi602
Member
Oh I'm perfectly fine with that
I've had people tell me they think the whole trilogy is shit and I have absolutely no qualms, it's their feelings on it and they're well entitled to it.
Nah, not of course. As I said above, I was originally not supposed to talk about the game at all. With previews lifting, I wanted to see if I could share my thoughts too.
Edit: Questions was answered
bigdaddygamebot
Member
Oh I'm perfectly fine with that
I've had people tell me they think the whole trilogy is shit and I have absolutely no qualms, it's their feelings on it and they're well entitled to it.
Yeah well those people are fucking terrible.
You keep being nice. Leave the assholery to me.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
It's hard to tell because male ryder has the same haircut as his counterpart while Sara doesn't. His model looks much more buff than scott does otoh.
I think that piece right there may be the most disturbing thing to me as a writer and someone who craves great story and dialogue.
ReddishGUI
Member
People wants to bash the game and Shinobi is just in the way since he enjoys it and has ties with the dev team.
The article comes off like an angry jaded assault, but that doesn't discredit what seems to be a valid concern. Fetchy quests plague almost all open world games (even if this is supposedly not open world in the typical sense, DA:I style linking of huge open maps qualifies for me) but DA:I was the worst offender this generation for me, and it's troubling to think about a lot of that bloat being in ME. If if ends up being a great game with 50+ hours of quality mainline and side content that's great, but if it doubles the game time with a bunch of MMO type nonsense that is unfortunate. Content that seems like padding to artificially make a game longer really brings these games down as they're already long enough to begin with, and it can make playing a game feel like a chore. With all the DA:I love I guess some don't mind it, but it is my biggest pet peeve in gaming.
Side quests that are done within the flow and scope of mainline game play are generally fine to me, but when they start following a formula of issuing trivial tasks that entail making time consuming trips from point A to B to C, it really just starts to feel like lazy game design.
The Shinobi write up gave me a lot of hope though. If this really feels like a Mass Effect game it's possible that the trivial tasks won't feel tedious at all and the immersion and atmosphere will be able to override them.
Side quests that are done within the flow and scope of mainline game play are generally fine to me, but when they start following a formula of issuing trivial tasks that entail making time consuming trips from point A to B to C, it really just starts to feel like lazy game design.
The Shinobi write up gave me a lot of hope though. If this really feels like a Mass Effect game it's possible that the trivial tasks won't feel tedious at all and the immersion and atmosphere will be able to override them.
bigdaddygamebot
Member
This is more on point.
And for the record. It wasn't people. It was me. I'm not bashing the guy. I questioned his enthusiasm around a game he had a preview copy of and the abundance of his Andromeda threads.
He's a likeable guy that really likes what he really likes and he wants others to really like it too.
Someone posted his thread as a counter point to this preview. That's where I said that taking Shinobi's word for it might not be the way to go.
That was it.
Clarkus Darkus
Member
My fears for the game are mentioned in the OP, Along with the god awful animations and visuals on the character models in the other thread, I do feel i will wait for this game now.
Nostalgia was only thing making me want to pre order it, Nothing i have seen so far makes me think instant buy, Along with me thinking i am done with these SP types of games nowadays anyway.
The scanning mechanic sounds tedious, And i remember ME3 having bugs with the journal tracking missions.
all in all it's gone from pre-order to wait and see.
Nostalgia was only thing making me want to pre order it, Nothing i have seen so far makes me think instant buy, Along with me thinking i am done with these SP types of games nowadays anyway.
The scanning mechanic sounds tedious, And i remember ME3 having bugs with the journal tracking missions.
all in all it's gone from pre-order to wait and see.
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
Which super model is she based on?