Anyway about the side quests, my expectations are a bit tempered. I'm expecting something along the lines of the original trilogy where some are good and some are bad. And honestly I'm okay with that. With no gating mechanic like DAI had, I can simply pursue the interesting ones.
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Early impressions from RPS for ME:A. It's... not good
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cripterion
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I tend to live my human life the way we human beings do: eating, defecating, saying human things. Not a lot of infiltrating the organics' society by wearing a disgusting meat suit.
You can tell he's seen some shit in life.
He's not wrong though. Navigating the clusterfuck UI of Witcher 3, weapon degradation, boring combat and mess of a map with too many icons was the metaphorical equivalent of eating cardboard and I don't get why that game is so high praised.
ForkNetwork
Banned
Pretty much, if I can get cool ones (Tali and Garrus's loyalty mission) then the bad ones are more tolerable
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
I'm the first one to harp on Witcher but you can turn the icons right off in the menu and they are also completely inconsequential to the game.He's not wrong though. Navigating the clusterfuck UI of Witcher 3, weapon degradation, boring combat and mess of a map with too many icons was the metaphorical equivalent of eating cardboard and I don't get why that game is so high praised.
Some amount of clutter is good in an open world, they just shouldn't be marked on a map for you to check off a list.
Definitely agreed, turning off points of interest on the map made exploring the Witcher 3 much more enjoyable. It switches your mindset from checking off things in the world to genuine discovery.
akidnamededdy
Banned
Ah. Well then.
I'm just going to quote my post from earlier in the thread because it covers a lot of my issues with Inquisition.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Look, I don't know why I have to convince you that I really don't have a problem with the content. I'm saying it outright - RPS can give this game a 0/10 and my life will not be any different.
Yes, you're right, the OP was definitely interested in healthy discourse. That's why he posted a barebones OP and some shit memes.
This entire discourse is pointless because, as evidenced by the thread still being open, there's no crime here. The OP can have his little shitshow of a thread. I just wanted to point out that it was a bad thread and where it was coming from, which I did. I just want to move on.
Forsaken82
Member
So where were you when the positive previews started to trickle out?
SoRuffShoNuff
Member
I said PeeBee.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
This is ridiculous. You don't have to write a "Chosen One" archetype for your player character to be someone with agency, someone whose decisions and actions affect world events. One only has to look at Fallout New Vegas to see how a generic, blank slate, player-created protagonist can affect the world around them in significant and exciting ways without being anything close to a "Chosen One".
Hari Seldon
Member
Aside from the 2004 Korean MMO sidequests of DA:I, the other major problem was that the writing was just fucking terrible from top to bottom. You put up with all the boring shit and get to your castle and then you spend forever running around in a circuit listening to all your companions whining about stupid shit. We are here to save the world why the fuck are you telling me about some random shit that makes you feel bad. I think something snapped in me playing DA:I and I can no longer deal with this formula anymore lol.
You seem a bit tense good sir. Perhaps a nice brandy? The soothing tones of Kenny G?
All put next to each other the photoshop version looks arguably closer to the model
Jayde Rossi
I think it's simply a limitation of the engine that we ended up with the more uncanny looking one one
akidnamededdy
Banned
Or a limitation of the art team.
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
Perhaps she was given a grant by the Ministry of Silly Walks. We don't know her back story! HOW DARE YOU IMPUGN HER WALKING!
For reals though, there is so much uncanny valley going on in this game.
the_milkybar_kid
Member
Same. Big fan of the trilogy, but for whatever reason I couldn't give the faintest of shots about this.
Jayde Rossi
Lawds.
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
This game looks rough.
djplaeskool
Member
Seems like a Mass Effect-ass Mass Effect game then...
Admiral Woofington
Member
Yall remember the jump scream maze game with the girl from the exorcist image? The one on the left is close to thatAll put next to each other the photoshop version looks arguably closer to the model
I think it's simply a limitation of the engine that we ended up with the more uncanny looking one one
He're the thing, though - yes, your character needs to be important, in some sense, for standard RPG quests to make much sense. No one asks a tenant farmer to save the kingdom.
But there are other ways to handle it. Consider, for example, the Witcher, the chair leg that Bioware keeps getting beaten with. Geralt is important, in the sense that he is old and famous, with long lists of both powerful friends and powerful enemies. It makes sense that he'd get involved in world-shaking events. But he is simultaneously kinda powerless, in the sense that his meddling in various situations has unpredictable results; moreover, the games present you with characters and political powers with their own concerns, who aren't just waiting on Geralt to give them agency.
Bioware, on the other hand, often makes you feel like their fictional universe revolves around you, with other characters and power structures dutifully awaiting your input.
Familienoberhauptvogel
Banned
In New Vegas you still get to do all the shit, that's what makes you a "Chosen One".
Ploid 3.0
Member
Didn't BioWare pick up a Witcher crew member, or was thar Guerrilla Games?
Lionel Richie
Member
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
lol this is the best walking animation I have ever seen.
Fahzgoolin
Banned
The writing and tone shifts from mere sentence to sentence conversations is just...really awkward and borderline terrible imo. Listen to the video linked if you want to hear it in context. It doesn't help, it just makes it worse imo.
Lines like this:
source: https://youtu.be/Vss92x8YaF0?t=1h37m56s
I mean...it's a valid thing to say...I guess? I'm sorry, my face is tired from dealing with everything? Huh? You could say this is nit picking, but for a game series that prides itself on character interaction, I'm consistently finding the animations, transitions, tone, and writing to be really off putting and bizzare.
Lines like this:
source: https://youtu.be/Vss92x8YaF0?t=1h37m56s
I mean...it's a valid thing to say...I guess? I'm sorry, my face is tired from dealing with everything? Huh? You could say this is nit picking, but for a game series that prides itself on character interaction, I'm consistently finding the animations, transitions, tone, and writing to be really off putting and bizzare.
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
It's just her arms that look weird.
Of course will you always end up being the one doing all the work in a videogame, but biowares insistence on having all the npcs admiring you is really grating.
Nameless
Member
A good 75℅ of this thread an exercise in confirmation bias.
Crimson_Echidna
Banned
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
One thing I will say is Bioware definitely need to rework their character animations for their next game.
Vlaphor
Member
One thing I really miss from RPG's is the ability to be evil, while still in service of the greater good. You could do some utterly horrific, "chaotic-evil" type shit in Dragon Age or Baldur's Gate while still being the good guy, but DA 2 and Inqusition has you as just the pure hero with the worst of it being maybe some "chaotic good", but still the good guy. Mass Effect 1 and 2 let you do some bad stuff as well, but I don't really remember much of 3 and I don't have too much hope in that regard for ME: A. Just a small little though of mine in service of the "Role Playing" element of the RPG.
ReddishGUI
Member
posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
It's a mess.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Just stopping by to say that this PS is absolute shit and sexist as shit, they took the in-game model and made it look the same as every woman ever, it's the exact same shittastic "I don't actually know what women look like" photoshopping as this so they might as well add boob armor with nipples while they're at it:All put next to each other the photoshop version looks arguably closer to the model
I think it's simply a limitation of the engine that we ended up with the more uncanny looking one one
Oh boy...
And it's not even like the character makes a remark about her expression or something before that.
Uh what? They made it look like the model.
The Bioware face on the left looks like an EA sports create-a-player face map gone wrong. If we're judging the quality of the face modeling based on the actual model herself, it doesn't look good. Why even do face mapping if the final result looks so different?All put next to each other the photoshop version looks arguably closer to the model
I think it's simply a limitation of the engine that we ended up with the more uncanny looking one one
Is there anything unjustified by the narrative in people looking to the Pathfinder for hope and salvation or is it just a case of people being jaded by the hero trope?
As for the model, BW intentionally tweaked Sara's face to look less like her. My guess, based on statements made about, say, Sera's face in DAI, is that they intentionally gave her some...not "flaws" per se but facial quirks that may make her less conventionally attractive but overall give her a more unique look. The eyes still look bad though.
The writing and tone shifts from mere sentence to sentence conversations is just...really awkward and borderline terrible imo. Listen to the video linked if you want to hear it in context. It doesn't help, it just makes it worse imo.
Lines like this:
source: https://youtu.be/Vss92x8YaF0?t=1h37m56s
I mean...it's a valid thing to say...I guess? I'm sorry, my face is tired from dealing with everything? Huh? You could say this is nit picking, but for a game series that prides itself on character interaction, I'm consistently finding the animations, transitions, tone, and writing to be really off putting and bizzare.
Yikes those facial animations. It's as if they didn't animate anything above the nose.
thepenguin55
Member
That's still better than FemShep's walking animation in ME3
Fahzgoolin
Banned
Exactly. The game footage I have seen is FILLED with this stuff.
Another example from the same guy's footage is a side quest where you go tell someone they are fired for committing a crime. The guy asks what will happen to him and you literally tell him you don't know--it's not your job. The quest ends and you get experience points with the person disappearing from in front of you. What? No handcuffing him, no escorting him, no nothing.
Not looking good...
It's almost as if her face is tired.
Just stopping by to say that this PS is absolute shit and sexist as shit, they took the in-game model and made it look the same as every woman ever, it's the exact same shittastic "I don't actually know what women look like" photoshopping as this so they might as well add boob armor with nipples while they're at it:
, while you're at it, try watching this video.
And yet it looks a million miles closer to the actual woman ryder is based off of. Such sexism to be accurate to a woman's actual face! Lol
PsihoPerihelion
Member
Why is she walking like Alpha from Power Rangers?posted in the other thread
the game's presentation in cinematics and conversations seem very rough. I'm worried that the game has been in troubled development if this is the result after 5 years.
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Deleted member 325805
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Well I'm now a fan of Jayde Rossi.
Yeah this is pretty much my only concern at this point.
FWIW I don't have a problem with the way FemRyder looks, but I do think it's fair to say she doesn't look much like Jayde Rossi. I'd think it wasn't BW's intent to have her look just like the model, but the males look a lot closer to theirs which is odd.
Just stopping by to say that this PS is absolute shit and sexist as shit, they took the in-game model and made it look the same as every woman ever, it's the exact same shittastic "I don't actually know what women look like" photoshopping as this so they might as well add boob armor with nipples while they're at it:
, while you're at it, try watching this video.
Designing an attractive person is "sexist"?
What?