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Early impressions from RPS for ME:A. It's... not good
- Thread starter Kumquat
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It still amounts to that all the pictures on her instagram happen to look much closer to the photoshopped version than the ingame model. If you believe that every single picture of hers is heavily edited and not representative of her at all, fine I guess.She's smiling and there's not a single wrinkle to be found. Her eyebrows and eyelashes are clearly done, there are no bags whatsoever, come on son. You gotta try harder. And as I said in the other thread, lighting, camera work, and the angle are big factors:
I can count at least five instances of this person looking completely different in this one gif based on a glance.
Still crazy how you stormed into this thread shouting how sexist it is and how it might as well be boob armor even though it was just a photoshop orienting itself on what we know from the model.
I think it is fair to judge the fact that if the main story animations that everybody sees in ME:A are so rough looking from the get go, the minor NPCs won't look better than that.
At least the human ones, the aliens are just as good as always, if not better.
The Sum of Zero
Member
Everyone's a little, how should I say, "sensitive" lately.
Do you know what specific issues they had?
I recall the DA:I team mentioning that they too had development issues with Frostbite.
firehawk12
Subete no aware
Aloy looks good, but the facial animation is just... "last gen".
(That's supposed to be her laughing/snorting by the way
)The writing and tone shifts from mere sentence to sentence conversations is just...really awkward and borderline terrible imo. Listen to the video linked if you want to hear it in context. It doesn't help, it just makes it worse imo.
Lines like this:
source: https://youtu.be/Vss92x8YaF0?t=1h37m56s
I mean...it's a valid thing to say...I guess? I'm sorry, my face is tired from dealing with everything? Huh? You could say this is nit picking, but for a game series that prides itself on character interaction, I'm consistently finding the animations, transitions, tone, and writing to be really off putting and bizzare.
this writing
wow
Not Gamespot. Peter Brown was on Giantbombcast and he wasn't happy with it at all
Aloy looks good, but the facial animation is just... "last gen".
(That's supposed to be her laughing/snorting by the way
Can you post the full video or gif??
"last gen" Sure!!
Primethius
Banned
Didn't realize I had to play ME:A to judge facial animation in footage spread across various websites that encapsulates quite a bit of playtime.
What am I even reading? Finding one awkward freeze frame shows literally nothing. I linked two conversations that certainly don't look "last gen".
Aloy looks good, but the facial animation is just... "last gen".
(That's supposed to be her laughing/snorting by the way
I don't think it's prudent to justify Mass Effect: Andromeda's shitty facial animations and dead eyes by falsely equating it Horizon, as it's not a contest and it doesn't excuse something as jarring as this:
Maybe cryosleep is really bad for the head.this writing
wow
Sad Affleck
Member
I don't think that your posts are marketing, I think you just love games but think about it. If you only make threads with the purpose of praising games and hyping them up then it won't be long before some people start thinking that you are shilling for games rather than talking about them. Do you also make threads with the purpose of criticizing games or discussing bad game decisions? A couple of examples should show everyone that you just really like what you've played of the game so far.
Aloy looks good, but the facial animation is just... "last gen".
Oh, we're doing the single still frame in the middle of an animation to prove it's the norm, thing? I'm not saying Horizon is perfect when it comes to facial animations, but it far from "awful" Or "last gen" by open world standards, only game that does it better is the Witcher 3, which also isn't perfect.
He's right, playing the game sucks. Combat is boring and menu design is garbage.
this writing
wow
wow, indeed.
Please, there are plenty of games with fantastic writing.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I'm looking at her instagram and the vast majority of her photos are from photoshoots and selfies where she's wearing a shit ton of makeup. Actually, it seems the most natural looking photo is in black and white.
in the same way that photos like this:
are transparently sexist as shit in their intention.
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Primethius
Banned
I'm looking at her instagram and the vast majority of her photos are from photoshoots. Actually, it seems like the some of the most natural looking photos are in black and white. And yes, photo likes this:
in the same way that photos like this:
are transparently sexist as shit in their intention.
That Mirrors Edge picture is fan made right?
Well, I can't think of many games that beat it so handily as to push it down a tier. It's up there for sure.
Hari Seldon
Member
So they intentionally made femshep way uglier than the RL model she was based on, but maleshep was perfectly spot on? Hmmm.
cripterion
Member
Totally agree. The faces look amazing and so many different and varied characters.
Can't say exactly...but I got the feeling development was troubled on almost every level.
So why isn't Male Ryder sexist? He's handsome, surely that's a problem for you?
Or is it only attractive female characters that are a problem? Why is that? Because they don't exist in real life?
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
Yes.
The problem is that female Ryder isn't ugly, we have a thread on this specific topic. Both are attractive individuals with flaws like spots on their skin.
FlutterPuffs
Member
As awful? Nope. While there's plenty that still can be improved with Horizon (in some cases it seems that only the face is animated with body gestures sorely lacking) it's still much better than Andromeda.
No, you see apparently does the model actually look exactly like that and only survives by hiding her face in every possible photoshoot
Inferno313
Banned
Thinking of the best ways to piss off touchy Mass Effect fanboys.
You caught me red-handed.
/s
Primethius
Banned
Gotcha. I recall there being some stuff about that picture but my memory was failing me and I wasn't sure whether it was fan vs. official.
I agree that the Photoshops of Peebee and Faith are ridiculous and sexist. I am glad that you're pushing back against this kind of thing.
But Ryder in the game as presented does look a little bit weird, in the eyes especially. Not from a point of view of conventional attractiveness, but just in a looks-like-a-person way.
Rellik
Member
Sounds perfect for this forum then
Exploratory
Banned
Not sexy enough.
FlutterPuffs
Member
Another problem with FemRyder's model is how her eyes are wide open when smiling. It's an unnatural look.
Thank you for finding that link. People are being daft.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
That's what we refer to as the uncanny valley. This game's animation, at least in a ton of scenes, is very uncanny valley. And you know what so are Horizon's to a slightly lesser degree. And so did the animation in Deus Ex last year. Procedurally generated animation is lagging behind the ever increasing fidelity of video game rendering.
Because women characters aren't allowed to have any sort of facial markings whatsoever. Let alone a face that isn't shaped very specifically like a V, otherwise you "look like a man," and they're also not allowed to have anything but large eyes with a ton of eyeliner. And women faces also don't contort realistically, because you see young women don't have any sort of facial wrinkles naturally. /s
You were just saying that developers are "sexist" for creating attractive characters, though. So if Sara's face was well made and attractive, you would have a problem with it.
And that still doesn't address why you're crying about attractive females, yet giving the hot male face a pass. Why can't they both be attractive?
It feels strange to call an artificial face "ugly", so I'll say the face they created for Sara is terrible. TERRIBLE. If this wasn't the case, there wouldn't be so much talk about it.
Notice how no one really is making fun of Scott's face.
Hari Seldon
Member
She looks like they took the real model and ran over her face with a roller like in Looney Tunes. Like they 2D-ized her face and couldn't put it back together again humpy-dumpty style.
Sad Affleck
Member
Not much longer now I bet.
Man I used to love Bioware. Baldur's Gate 2, Dragon Age:Origins, Mass Effect... Fantastic games that gave me hundreds of hours of enjoyment. I really hope ME:A turns out to be great, I can deal with any technical issues if the core of the game stays true to the Bioware of old.
FlutterPuffs
Member
It's more to do with her overall expressions. I mean if you compare FemRyder to her in videos, you can see the similarities. Striking, in some ways.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJvhVcSB3w8
Yet when Female Ryder talks, she looks off. In my opinion, the expressions she makes doesnt fit the situations I've seen her in.
Crossing Eden
Hello, my name is Yves Guillemot, Vivendi S.A.'s Employee of the Month!
I said gamers, not game developers, Bioware isn't the one at fault for people making shit edits to their models. You've completely missed the point of what i've been saying ITT about those edits.
Hate the comic. Surprised people still use it. It's been about 10 years since EA bought Bioware, and they're clearly still doing well.
Morrigan Stark
Arrogant Smirk
No, that's not what being a "Chosen One" means. That's what being a protagonist with agency means. They are different things.
No one in the wasteland keeps calling you "Wasteland Saviour", or keep fawning over you, or treat you like a king or messiah.
I really like the attention to details in NPC faces. Like this woman is apparently a forger (haven't met her yet) and she has a lovely but weathered face. No fancy make-up or perfect hair or anything, just a normal woman ready to work. I met another NPC who is intending to meet her lover, and she's got the sharply red lipstick and her hair is all pretty. In an industry where it seems every female character is constantly a dolled up 10, having the contrast is a refreshing detail.
That said sometimes the facial animations aren't great and a bit stiff or slightly uncanny valley-like. But I have yet to see an open-world game where this isn't the case. If anything Horizon is probably above average there.
So then the hype is real?
Fahzgoolin
Banned
cross-posting from the downgrade thread...LOL
VlaudTheImpaler
tl;dr
Horizons janky animations are far more jarring to me than ME:A because the faces look so beautiful and realistic my brain expects the same from the facial animations... But then when they start it rips me from my immersion.
With ME:A the faces look only a little better than the animations. So I'm not looking at the face and expecting amazingness. I'm expecting the same standard as I've been seeing so when the animations start it's not as bad for me.
Do I think that the faces in Horizon overall look better? Absolutely.
But would I also rather the facial animations more closely matched the same fidelity of the rest of the face? Absolutely.
I wish that ME:A had better faces like Horizon and better animations to match them but am glad that neither outweigh each other so much that they are as immersion breaking as Horizon is for me.
I also think it's ok to call things out that you don't like or would like improved though so I'm ok with complaining about the animations. But it would be nice if this was equal from both sides and done in the name of actually improving the game with constructive criticism and not just fanboy game vs game wars.
Thing is, none of this means that either game isn't fun to play. As you can see, even with the janky animations from Horizon, people are still able to enjoy it and look past it.
I mean, think of some of your favorite games of all time from the past and think about some of the janky parts of them and how you where still able to have fun.