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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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SlipperySlope
Banned
Next-gen (current gen?) is a clusterfuck. Of epic proportions. The industry is crashing before our very eyes.
I wish 3rd parties had actually supported the WiiU in any form or fashion. Then at least we'd have an alternative to no used games. Assuming the PS4 follows Microsoft's lead.
I wonder what 3rd parties will do when the XBox, and perhaps PS4, bomb at retail. They "abandoned" the WiiU pretty fast...
I wish 3rd parties had actually supported the WiiU in any form or fashion. Then at least we'd have an alternative to no used games. Assuming the PS4 follows Microsoft's lead.
I wonder what 3rd parties will do when the XBox, and perhaps PS4, bomb at retail. They "abandoned" the WiiU pretty fast...
BobTheFork
Member
Well, they've got to go somewhere...
bgassassin
Member
In regard to Sony and everything that's been made available up till now, IMO it would be better to expect a similar policy than not.
As of today I can say that's the goal. If MS changes their mind, which I would definitely not tell anyone to get their hopes up, then that's another story.
As of today I can say that's the goal. If MS changes their mind, which I would definitely not tell anyone to get their hopes up, then that's another story.
clutch.as.it.gets.
Member
Both Sony and MS can fuck off if they go through with this.
They don't. They're just something that devs can do knowing that all the players will be online. With the 360, online is like caching to HDD. You can't expect all gamers to have it, so have to work around it. Mandating online will allow for novel game ideas.
rakkadakka
Member
Oh god, the freak outs you are creating.
Delicious.
PopcornMegaphone
Banned
And then the whole industry drops from lack of common sense by these "major" companies.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Agreed. When's the Steambox out?
Steambox.
Also, you are being over dramatic. I'd rather have no used games than live with Nintendo's online and OS infrastructure.
Ingueferroque
Banned
Are you kidding me? Nintendo is still the worst offender with its online business strategy. Screw them.
The piracy scene on the 360 is bigger then a lot of people realize. Its to the point that people have two 360s, one legit and one modded. It is incredibly easy to flash the system and to download the games. You can even go online with the modded Xbox and no one would know. Quick YouTube vid or link to a popular site and you'll be getting free games within an hour.
Ravensmash
Member
Wow, what's happening to you games industry :/
Stuff like this really explains why you have companies like Crytek saying they are transitioning completely to a Free-to-Play model. I mean freaking Crytek. FTP need always online for the most part. In fact, expect a ton of FTP shit, that'll attract the gamers to an always online digital environment......
Just Gamestop in the US, maybe. In Australia, you can buy games and hardware from Target and Kmart, but they carry a very limited range. The two biggest retailers by far (JB HiFi and EB Games) all have extensive used games sections. If they didn't stock your console or games, the retail presence of them would be tiny.
Brad Grenz
Member
Yeah, Valve would never block used game sales!
Joke post, right?
F2P will have its problems if too many games decide to go that way.
Voice of Reason
Banned
Please let's not do this again. If the Steambox functions as a PC-like console then it'll still have prices that are amazing compared to the consoles.
they'd at least offer affordable games from the start though.
anyway, people have to understand that sony and microsoft are done making video game consoles. they've taken those as far as they wanted. now they're making living room consoles. it's all about controlling entertainment in your living room, and video games are a subset of that.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Oh man the meltdowns if this is true....especially from me.
Confidence Man
Member
If both companies do this I'll buy a Wii U out of spite.
Wii U is looking really good right now...
Well, at least ill finally wont feel bad about the PC upgrades im making in a couple of months.
That's been the case for years. But context matters: How they do it is important.
Your upset because an online connection is required and no used games. What's your solution?
Brilliant!
Brilliant!
I do wonder if that's a factor for dipping sales this year though? It seems like interest is just being lost, but it may well be people are just playing a lot of these games on their modded 360 unless they NEED to be online, and even then...
Reminds me of how the DS and PSP started to go out. And I'm guessing they and maybe Sony feel the only way to prevent this to go hardcore, even though that'll probably set people off to want to do this MORE. :/
Reminds me of how the DS and PSP started to go out. And I'm guessing they and maybe Sony feel the only way to prevent this to go hardcore, even though that'll probably set people off to want to do this MORE. :/
Don't think that'll necessarily require always online, and for used games it's been well covered how bad it got for PC (doing crazy DRM-type crap while we were still on 8-bit consoles at that.) However I do wonder how much game modding will be doable on the Steambox and if people can just get their other Steam games working through Wine, as otherwise just a good PC seems infinitely preferable to me.
So the best option if you want to avoid a console that doesn't allow for used games sales is to buy the Steambox (a console that won't allow used games sales)? Nice one.
And Steam sales don't help matters if you like to buy games new. I can buy cheap console games at retail if I wait for them to go on sale.
You need to change your name, dude.
H_Prestige
Banned
Fucking Sony, you better not do this shit.
Things MS and Sony might attempt to win favor with this news;
FTP games, expanded with DLC if wanted.
Rental services, monthly payments for game access same as PS+
Cheap hardware price, subsidized methods focusing on services to offset costs.
Discounts for Live subscribers on Digital Direct games released same day as retail.
Multiple versions of same game accross the MS ecosystem for windows 8 users and xbox users...
I dont know, this still isnt turning me on. I want to own shit. If i cant im going steambox for legacy software and cheap prices.
FTP games, expanded with DLC if wanted.
Rental services, monthly payments for game access same as PS+
Cheap hardware price, subsidized methods focusing on services to offset costs.
Discounts for Live subscribers on Digital Direct games released same day as retail.
Multiple versions of same game accross the MS ecosystem for windows 8 users and xbox users...
I dont know, this still isnt turning me on. I want to own shit. If i cant im going steambox for legacy software and cheap prices.
ViewtifulJC
Banned
I wouldn't be surprised to see Sony cave to EA and Activision by making it so that SOME games need to have an always online connection
they were still trojan horsing it to a degree with the 360 and ps3. it wasn't until the last 3 years or so that they made a bigger push in that direction.
this time they'll be able to launch with a new message, image, and product. it'll be different from the start.
Unspeakable Evil
Member
Well there's Bayoneta 2, W101, Smash Bros, Wind Waker .................
Always online announcement i imagine is going to be the thing revealed as journalists get their hands on final review builds after everyone preorders. I dont foresee any of them announcing this as there isnt much positive way to spin it. They will be maximizing that hype and riding it to launch. I would be very surprised if they outright admit to this in an announcement where a stage and audience is present.
Saint Gregory
Member
Hmm, the problem that I see here is if MS and Sony both do this then what is the alternative?
PCs already don't allow for used games and are usually always online by default so there's not much to combat there, Nintendo looks to getting left out of the party once again and any other hardware makers, like Apple or Valve, would most likely have the same policies in place. So where would gamers turn?
MS and Sony (if Sony is really on board) know that after the initial fuss hardcore gamers will cave and buy their systems which is exactly why they're doing this. It will make them tons of extra money and there's no one to stop them or protect gamers from themselves. If you want a good example of how this works out just check the mobile carrier industry. They're constantly making their services less customer friendly and basically telling you if you don't like it then go screw yourself.
PCs already don't allow for used games and are usually always online by default so there's not much to combat there, Nintendo looks to getting left out of the party once again and any other hardware makers, like Apple or Valve, would most likely have the same policies in place. So where would gamers turn?
MS and Sony (if Sony is really on board) know that after the initial fuss hardcore gamers will cave and buy their systems which is exactly why they're doing this. It will make them tons of extra money and there's no one to stop them or protect gamers from themselves. If you want a good example of how this works out just check the mobile carrier industry. They're constantly making their services less customer friendly and basically telling you if you don't like it then go screw yourself.