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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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MikeE21286
Member
I bought Borderlands 2 for $37 on release day and Skyrim for $30 a couple weeks after release.
Two most expensive Steam games I've ever purchased.
That's what I'm expecting. Not happy with it but that is one way to keep the second hand market going.
Thats what this is, adapting. I agree it sucks though.
Aquamarine
Member
I'm actually kind of thankful that Nintendo can be incredibly backward-thinking at times. We may not have the ability to switch NNIDs between consoles, but at least we can play video games offline and buy something used at $20.
Why, exactly? If this is true, Sony have the perfect opportunity to hit MS where it hurts and gain the gamers' trust, including those who would've bought the next Xbox. Retailers would be very happy too and would prefer PS4. Sony don't have to follow suit. They already allow completely region free systems despite Nintendo and MS's own policies and restrictions.
Wow, pc only gamers didnt know that you can also get affordable/discounted console games too?
Its been years since ive bought a full $59.99 game on my PS3. Most of the time its $40~ish.
I even bought Black Ops 2 at that price at day 1.
A fucking call of duty game.
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I am just wondering, are used games sales really harming the industry? I don't get it, used have always existed and now they are a problem?
Games journalism.
KennyLinder
Member
Serious question. Your friends don't have Internet? Just asking. Or do you mean tournaments? I guess if that's the case, places would have to provide access.
maverick40
Junior Member
Ol No Bones
Banned
I do not support the online connection on bit because what if the Internet is down. Btw these rumors have come out for both the playstation and xbox. I also find funny the people who scream ima go play PC when they hear this because the PC crowd has had similar restrictions for a long time. If Microsoft has a marketplace similar to steam than I won't need to use the disk drive for anything other than movies.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511056
That thread is a goldmine. Starts about few pages in.
Risk Breaker
Member
"Good", less money to spend, PS4+WiiU it'll be then!
It's adapting poorly. It just feels lazy and badly thought out, its also not particularly sustainable in the long run I think. As others have mentioned eliminating second hand sales only gurantees that people arent buying stuff second hand, it doesnt mean theyre going to buy stuff brand new
metalslimer
Member
If 3rd parties are pushing for this Sony will do exactly as they say or risk losing 3rd party support which will kill them.
This, and sometimes I treat buying a game as renting as well. If it is on sale (B2G1 free, etc), I only end up spending a few bucks for a 30 day rental. I usually try to get through some of these games relatively fast so the resale price can still be high. I would end up just not buying as many games in general. I am not sure how that is helping anybody but myself.
Oh I agree with all of this; I think the bottom line of this, DLC, etc is that costs keep going up and producers of content havent figured out the best way to recover them
Aquamarine
Member
The only type of used game sales that hurt the market are GameStop's lulzworthy "BRAND NEW $60 GAME?!? LET ME JUST SELL A USED COPY DAY ONE FOR $55 AND LURE IN UNSUSPECTING CONSUMERS!!! LOLOLOL" schemes.
Really interested to see if they sell a kinect with every console and how that will affect the price.
If regards to the no used games thing, if MS does it I imagine Sony will as well, even though it may be smarter for them not to because it would give them a huge advantage with retailers.
If regards to the no used games thing, if MS does it I imagine Sony will as well, even though it may be smarter for them not to because it would give them a huge advantage with retailers.
Straight up what I would do. This is coming from a 360 only gamer this gen with the occasional PS3 exclusive like uncharted thrown in and Diablo 3 and Starcraft on PC.
If both Sony and MS block used games then I'm building a new PC for the livingroom and my buddies and I will become PC gamers again.
While Sony may have filed for a patent which allows them to do something similar theyve personally earned some good will with me due to their excellent region free stance on the PS3 (and the slightly not as good region free situation on the Vita). I'm willing to see what they do. I also sure as fuck hope the Orbis is region free.
Vinterbird
Member
I think a Kinect as standard is a given this time.
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Deleted member 125677
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I fear you're right here. Especially if both Sony and MS do this. If one of them drops it, they could have a big PR advantage, though?
Well, go retail.
Boxed copies of pc games almost always (bar activisionblizzard's ones) cost at least 10 bucks less than the respective console versions.
Or just wait for all the dlc to come out, and then buy the GOTY/complete edition for that price.
I mean it should not even be an argument at this point, it is undoubtably true that pc software costs less than console software. There's none of that ROYALITIES business in between devs and end user.
This is an awful way to adapt, and I can only wish for disaster to bathe those who go down this road.
zerokoolpsx
Member
That sucks for GameStop. Screw over all resellers if this is true. Always online for it to work too?
Bailout on this console.
Bailout on this console.
Nostalgic Nightmare
Member
If its to activate a game its one thing, yes pc games have done that forever. Always online is not ok. Ask anyone who tries to play hardcore on D3 what a terrible idea that is. It might have been the best selling game but the drop off rate was huge. Imagine one of these networks either ms or sony gets hacked, or has major issues. " we appreciate your patience these past few weeks as we try to asess the extent of the hack" that is a huge gamble and it would be the end of console gaming for a ton of people.
McHuj
Member
oh shit. i guess PS4 it is then.
Elginer
Member
They better be more than fucking good. They better be wizard jizz good.
Sony is stuck on this. I if they don't follow they can say goodbye to 3rd party support and gaining any foothold on any territory.
While they have their 1st party games, they can't survive on it alone.
Kotick must be jizzing at this news. The bet he wants to kiss Ballmer right now.
While they have their 1st party games, they can't survive on it alone.
Kotick must be jizzing at this news. The bet he wants to kiss Ballmer right now.
Glass Rebel
Member
Luckily you aren't restricted to use just the Steam store but can buy digital or physical copies. Dishonored is 30 from Amazon Germany.
lowrider007
Licorice-flavoured booze?
The way I see it if is this true, this would just be the last rung on the ladder towards reaching the inevitable digital only future, this day had to come some time, ten/fifteen years down the road we're probably be saying "remember when we bought boxed games lol" and we won't think twice about it, just as kids today don't think twice about buying mp3's or downloading movies from iTunes.
You have to remember, we're living in a world where governments debate whether to classify the Internet as a human right, it's not a novelty anymore, always online devices will be the norm in the future, this just a transitional step from dated physical boxes to digital media, I'm not saying its going to be an easy transition but its an inevitable one, hopefully things like digital rights management find a happy medium along the way as consumers vote with their dollar and choose which services suit them best.
You have to remember, we're living in a world where governments debate whether to classify the Internet as a human right, it's not a novelty anymore, always online devices will be the norm in the future, this just a transitional step from dated physical boxes to digital media, I'm not saying its going to be an easy transition but its an inevitable one, hopefully things like digital rights management find a happy medium along the way as consumers vote with their dollar and choose which services suit them best.
Honestly, the more I hear about "the future of gaming," the more resistant I am of it. The shifts to online and multiplayer can take their sweeeeeet time as far as I'm concerned.
The Mana Legend
Banned
Yeah, there's always a "can't play used games!" rumor with every damn new console.
This isn't happening. If it does, it'll get such a huge backlash that they'll change it.
This isn't happening. If it does, it'll get such a huge backlash that they'll change it.
We play at a local restaurant every other week, at a bar, random friends. They have spotty wifi. If we have a gathering at a friend's and bring several consoles, it's pretty annoying setting up an internet connection for everything just to play a game. Some people have shitty wifi and have their consoles hooked directly to a modem. Can't get online at those places. If I take my console to EVO, I'd have to pay the room fee for WiFi to practice? lol, no.
I'll just skip if true.
Projectjustice
Banned
Yup the Wii u might not be a durango spec wise but its better than the hd twins. Good enough for me. When I want to blow my load on top of the level graphics I got my pc for that.
Sony is going to go the same route. Its going to be very interesting what happens this gen. I see a lot of gaffers eating crow. Lol
BloodMoney
Banned
I'm more a fan of Sony than MS... but seriously, who doesn't expect Sony to also prevent second hand games? Mark my words, Gamestop is going the way of Blockbuster.
So serious question from a non-PC gamer; but doesn't the PC crowd already deal with DRM routinely?
Also; I also think that if this is true; MS has done their homework on what they think will be the standard deviation with either decreased or increased sales and that other companies will follow suit.
Lastly, if true and Sony and Nintendo do not adopt the same stance, would publishers/developers prefer to give MS increased exclusive deals on either full games or DLC based off of this?
Also; I also think that if this is true; MS has done their homework on what they think will be the standard deviation with either decreased or increased sales and that other companies will follow suit.
Lastly, if true and Sony and Nintendo do not adopt the same stance, would publishers/developers prefer to give MS increased exclusive deals on either full games or DLC based off of this?
After being so used to Steam for the past couple of years, I have to say that this doesn't really bother me that much. Never really bought used because I feel that the price difference from new games never really warranted the purchase of a used game.
The one thing that they have to do to make buying on their console more attractive is to have awesome deals/discounts/sales that are similar to steam. I never really like the idea of used games, hurts the pubs and devs.
The one thing that they have to do to make buying on their console more attractive is to have awesome deals/discounts/sales that are similar to steam. I never really like the idea of used games, hurts the pubs and devs.