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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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gs stock dropping
Why the hell is the stock dropping based on an EDGE rumor?
I would assume it works like 360 does now
If its not on the console the license is for, you have to play online (until you transfer your licenses)
BUT it does require a one-time activation to download/unlock the game.
Food is still a horrible example as it's sold with an assumed one time only use. Just because you let your buddy eat it doesn't change the fact that it's bought once, used once.
Movies, they get licensing fees from rentals / Netflix / HBO etc, plus of course DVD sales. The customer base is also HUGE compared to gaming (be honest, it is), which is the real reason they're so cheap compared to a game (thus negating a huge drive or impetus to buy a used DVD of a movie). In other words, a bad example.
Book industry has been shitty for years, another bad example.
In short, you can't easily compare it and it's foolish to try unless you put all the qualifiers on it. If gaming had as big of an audience as movies do, it'd be a different story and they could price lower. Alas..
For one, why would I be happy to have less freedom with a game I paid for? There are a lot of reasons why I'd want used games to exist:
1. Being able to borrow or let someone borrow/try a game.
2. Selling a game I got burned by (couldn't get rid of LittleBigPlanet or Kirby's Epic Yarn fast enough after I bought them)
3. Selling games to buy NEW games
4. The ability to buy a physical game 2 years after release (the shelf life for most games is very small)
I don't understand why some people are so willing to give up certain things that heavily benefit consumers so easily.
This is the most absurd claim I have yet seen in this thread. Where in the world did you fathom that? There is no evidence at all for that, and you're delusional to think the second hand market is the reason companies can't have games at lower prices. Fuck, a console game that came out a little over a month ago launched at $30. Second hand sales has fuck all to do with how companies price product. Companies want to get away with premium prices for fucking everything, and it really is that simple. Thinking otherwise is putting more thought into it than what actually is the case here. Look at how most digital content is priced on consoles and the evidence is there. On consoles, digital sales are done very rarely and are done to boost games with declining sales figures.
What "news"?
BrokenEchelon
Banned
Hello Mr. Strawman, pick a different fucking example then.
Gaming is the highest grossing media industry at the moment.
Not all PC games require online always to work.
PC games are often sold at a much lower price than regular retail (or rather, the prices are much more flexible and there is a market that has sales, where PC games can go to trade in level prices - that you don't see on consoles).
And when games DO require bullshit like online always, that's when people start pirating.
ShockingAlberto
Member
What's odd to me is that this is the weirdest way to do it. I figured they'd just double down on online passes and the like - start locking significant content behind codes that only come with new copies. Was this not working well enough? Did they find people buying used didn't give a fuck or that the $10 to download it wasn't enough?
Putting a giant wall seems like a massive overreaction when they've just been putting scalable walls for the last few years.
Putting a giant wall seems like a massive overreaction when they've just been putting scalable walls for the last few years.
Cornbread78
Member
This is basically what they are dong now with the Online passes for 1st party titles and I hope that continues going forward rather than the rumored MS approach..
Easier for them to sell advertising to their partners! The XBoxes are always connected, so we can put your product in the forfront 100% more than before, now give us more $$$ for the ad time....
gs stock dropping
Console Wars shaking up the stock market.
Neuromancer
Member
I agree but that will never happen. There are still PC DD games that cost $60 or more at launch.
Barkley's Justice
Member
"This is what I mean an anti-consumer machine." - Chuck D
tinfoilhatman
all of my posts are my avatar
I call bullshit on most of this story
Groupthink
Member
Well, academically, it creates an interesting situation. As others have mentioned, the sale of used games fuels the purchase of new games through trade-in-deals like those offered at Gamestop and Bestbuy. Moreover, I would imagine that many gamers take a gamble on B-tier franchises, paying full MRSP, secure in the knowledge they'll be able to recoup a portion of the cost with a trade in down the line. If these rumours turn out to be true, what will be the impact on the new game market? Will there be an overall decline in first day/month sales as consumers wait for price drops? Or will the purported policy have a negligible effect?
I can see MS and Sony getting on board with this to curb piracy, but wouldn't be surprised if used game sales continued by the issuing of licenses (for a nominal fee) to second-hand retailers. I know publishers would like nothing more than to eradicate the used game market, but I just can't see it happening in the console space this early.
I can see MS and Sony getting on board with this to curb piracy, but wouldn't be surprised if used game sales continued by the issuing of licenses (for a nominal fee) to second-hand retailers. I know publishers would like nothing more than to eradicate the used game market, but I just can't see it happening in the console space this early.
Beerman462
Member
Pc already does no used games, but Steam has super sales all the time. Can't you get new games cheap on Amazon when there older? I'm not to concerned with buying 1 month old games at gamestop for $5-10 less then new. I would be more concerned with always online especially if that's a DRM tool.
You think that making it so new retail is the only option is going to drive prices down?
Can I have some of what's in your pipe?
PC is cheaper because of that though. Consoles are closed systems.
Speedy Blue Dude
Banned
Aside from terrible sales? Along with low player base and low DLC sales? Seem like enough reason for a Publisher to give a price drop.
Difference between a Library and Gamestop is Library's are made to rent and check out books, Gamestop was made to sell games, new. Plus you pay a fee to even get a library card, giving you right to the books their books, you don't pay a $10 fee to buy games used at Gamestop. Also, I think Book Publishers have the right to not allow their books in a Library? Not sure.
Only watch TV with their premission, now going into hardware/products intended for home use for the person who bought it, versus Game Software intended for use by one person/system.
I only eat if they offer me the food. If they're ok with me eating. Publisher's like THQ and EA don't get to have a say on if their products are sold used. If they can be sold as used. Most developers don't like it, amd can't do anything about it other than an Online Pass. You don't have the Developera/Publisher to use their product used, or second hand, unlike some nice family/friend's family offering to feed you while you're over.
Why would they comment even if they decided they weren't going to do it? It would open the door to allow Microsoft tor react based on Sony's decision. If Sony doesn't say anything until Microsoft confirms that they are doing it, and then confirm that they will in fact not follow suit, would be way more effective.
"He said, 'for the record, I'm totally opposed to blocking used games. I think it's great for the consumer that they can buy those. We have a customer that buys our console late in the cycle, pays less, is looking for value priced games, and I think it would be anti-consumer for us to do that'," - Tretton
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/new...retton-Totally-Opposed-to-Blocking-Used-Games
Says he is opposed to it not that Sony isn't going to do it.
I really don't want to create rumors or spread this one just showing how dumb of a rumor this really is.
COD would most definitely be 60 bucks, as it would sell just fine. Playstation Allstars however...
Another reason this is silly. Xbox got by solely on third party support and timed exclusives. But owning the system really doesn't have many benefits. I can only play Halo on Xbox and, uh, Halo? While it was the system everyone focused on this gen the rules don't have to be the same when next gen hits. If anything the Steambox would replace it if it wasn't for the Live
Can do that anywhere. People just want them NOW.
He probably has very little involvement but he would be kept fully informed. However, I find that statement reassuring as I doubt he would make that statement if there was even a small possibility that a anti-used games system was PS4 bound.
If it is a possibility, then Jack dropped a bollock
Glass Rebel
Member
Bullshit.
Ugh, look at that loser playing Borderlands.
Nah, third parties would have pushed Sony and MS to do this based on several rumors floating around but we'll see either way.
There is no recent rumor about anti-used-games being implemented in PS4 while EDGE rumor says that it will be in Microsoft's next console. Sony has researched and applied for a patent regarding technology that could be used to do it, but nothing says that it will be implemented. Patents are submitted every waking moment, but only a fraction of them ever are used.
Petrae
Member
GameStop stock already taking a beating, regardless of whether rumor is correct. Off more than $2 on the news.
What strikes me is that we've heard this "used game lockout" rumor for some time now, and it's been fairly consistent-- even if the words have varied. Not saying that the rumor definitely verifies, but it gets a little more likely each time I read the general theme.
Interesting times indeed.
What strikes me is that we've heard this "used game lockout" rumor for some time now, and it's been fairly consistent-- even if the words have varied. Not saying that the rumor definitely verifies, but it gets a little more likely each time I read the general theme.
Interesting times indeed.
I half expected a 'universal' online pass implementation, but I did not expect an always online console which practically kills the second hand market.
Hopefully Sony doesn't follow the same approach because I'll most definitely skip on the Durango now, unless the new Kinect blows me away.
Hopefully Sony doesn't follow the same approach because I'll most definitely skip on the Durango now, unless the new Kinect blows me away.
Very. One of the few respectable journalists in the business.
So now we could say that Home COnsoles are "on par" with PC gaming?!
lol, if anything, they're even more distant from each other
I love fools who think this is just about used games.
You can't even borrow from a friend under this.
Funny thing is Sony has a patent and this is a rumor, but Rumors >>Patents. Go figure...
their rumors have been very accurate in past, always true pretty much. they very rarely post rumors.
The_Darkest_Red
Member
I'm assuming this is going to end up being true, at which point I'm interested in seeing how Gamestop responds. Obviously there is a chance it won't pan out but it seems very likely to me at this point.