So because the rumor for X720 is newer that gives it more credibility somehow? If that were true why hasn't Microsoft submitted a similar patent?
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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So because the rumor for X720 is newer that gives it more credibility somehow? If that were true why hasn't Microsoft submitted a similar patent?
As pointed out before there are 833 members in the group and there are 20 ish playing it on that page. Not exactly stellar evidence.
First off, I will be patient and wait for the reveals before making a decision .
As for the rumor of no used games. Think about it from a publishing standpoint. A system where the consumer has to buy the game new means more $ for them. I'll tell you what, if I spent 50 million making a game and every game sold meant I got a royalty because they were new, I would definitely go with that system. Im playing devil's advocate, but an EA or Activision would love that.
In fact, if only one system did that, as a publisher, I would take more of a risk with the system that doesn't play used games than one that does.
Think about it and follow the money.
As for the rumor of no used games. Think about it from a publishing standpoint. A system where the consumer has to buy the game new means more $ for them. I'll tell you what, if I spent 50 million making a game and every game sold meant I got a royalty because they were new, I would definitely go with that system. Im playing devil's advocate, but an EA or Activision would love that.
In fact, if only one system did that, as a publisher, I would take more of a risk with the system that doesn't play used games than one that does.
Think about it and follow the money.
Sounds like someone wasn't allow to borrow games from their friends. Sucks to be you I guess.
Sony has hundreds of patents they never even use. Look at all the silly move related patents. It sill does increase the chance of them using a anti-used games system.
I'm going to assume you're just trolling, because this is one of the most naive/absurd thing I've ever read on the internet (which is saying a lot).
Future PhaZe
Member
Starting to lean Orbis ...this coming from someone who just bought a Ps3 a few days ago and have been with xbox from jump.
Edit: Orbis might be rocking this shit as well?
Time to build dat next gen PC
Edit: Orbis might be rocking this shit as well?
Time to build dat next gen PC
WTF Microsoft. Seriously? -_- I really hope Sony takes another route with this bullshit.
Really now...
Really now...
Barkley's Justice
Member
They're in collusion, Microsoft and dem!
Nah mate. There will always be competition on pricing. Most of the pricing we see these days isn't a result of 2nd hand titles being out there.
This would actually benefit online retailers such as Amazon or specialists such as Shop.to (UK store if you aint a Brit) who don't rely on trade ins to sell their games. Who this would effect are stores such as Gamestop or Game who make a large percentage of their money through selling pre-owned games.
I don't have a problem with stores selling pre-owned games. I do have a problem with the ridiculous margin they make out of them. e.g. Selling a pre-owned title £2 cheaper than the brand new one.
Gillian Seed
Banned
This would be the end for Gamefly. And that would suck because I have used them for the past 10 years! 
Voice of Reason
Banned
So when's a good time for us console peasants to start building a PC?
Blue Ninja
Member
If this news is true... Magic 8 Ball, should I skip this console?
Meatvillain
Banned
I don't get the people arguing that people are overreacting to a rumour. I'm pretty sure everyone is aware that none of this could prove to be true. Everyone is simply saying "If this is true, here's how I feel about it."
3rdamention
Member
So a new boxed game will come with a one time use activation code and will be entered the first time you launch the game to let you play it. Every time you launch it there after it does a check sees it there...maybe.
What happens if my new Xbox 720 gets the equivalent to the rrod? Are activation codes tied to my account or console?
Also the need to always be online is poor. I can play my steam games in offline mode no problem as the UK has pretty shitty Internet and my connection just isn't stable
Well, the activation would probably be tied to your Live Account, not your system I would assume.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Microsoft is in the "putting up walls" business. It's what they excel at.
What's scary about this thread isn't really people acting like it's true but people actually defending it!
Which still gives no credibility to the rumor, they went to the casuals to gain a demographic why would they kill offline support and destroy their demographic?
Which still gives no credibility to the rumor, they went to the casuals to gain a demographic why would they kill offline support and destroy their demographic?
From what I understand, Sony is currently using their older anti-used games tech to give away a free copy of the Vita version of certain PS3 games, and possibly starting to use it for online passes as well. They're setting it up so you just have to select something in the game's menu instead of having to go into the PSN store and input a code.
But the technology to do that requires Blu-ray discs have a unique ID that can be tied to an online account. Since that exists at the replicator level (I believe the now-dead Managed Copy for movies required the same thing), MS can use it in their next system. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll use it for completely shutting down used games, they could simply use it for online codes or other incentives, without completely getting rid of the ability to play the used game.
But the technology to do that requires Blu-ray discs have a unique ID that can be tied to an online account. Since that exists at the replicator level (I believe the now-dead Managed Copy for movies required the same thing), MS can use it in their next system. Doesn't necessarily mean they'll use it for completely shutting down used games, they could simply use it for online codes or other incentives, without completely getting rid of the ability to play the used game.
Prices will rise if there's no used games.
RobotMafia
Banned
You couldn't even take a game YOU FUCKING BOUGHT to your friends house to play with them there. Fuck people that are ok with this shit.
Rumors over patents again?
Bring your console!
Baron_Calamity
Member
Scary. He almost sounds reasonable.
Just speculating here....
In 2013, if a customer wants an off line experience, they are more than welcome to buy and play a 360.
5 years from now, high speed internet is going to be more common than it is now. Especially outside of the US. Microsoft is building for that customer.
Warm Machine
Member
Many many months ago I wrote that I'm certain that used games will be a possibility. MS and Sony are just going to make the disc itself an information carrier and of little value in and of itself.
You walk into gamespot and all the used games are $5. You buy the disc, take it home and MS then sells you a $15 activation code. Gamespot gets what they deserve, and MS, pubs, and devs get what they deserve. Everyone gets a cut and everyone on the business side is "happy"
You walk into gamespot and all the used games are $5. You buy the disc, take it home and MS then sells you a $15 activation code. Gamespot gets what they deserve, and MS, pubs, and devs get what they deserve. Everyone gets a cut and everyone on the business side is "happy"
Times be changin
batteryLeakage
Neo Member
Nintendo patented the console carrying handle.
Deus Ex Machina
Member
we are merely "leasing" the game we purchased is insane. While companies maximize profit, users are stripped of their right of ownership.
If I could have a signature this would be in it.
RedNumberFive
Banned
Your friend should buy a copy too! Don't be so entitled! Major Nelson has gotta eat!
Cornbread78
Member
Different MArkets and playerbases, but it's exactly the same way the software will be handled. I just hope MS/Sony can offer teh same type of Steam sales to help consumers get games cheaper, if not, this is all a joke.
Also ignoring the fact that not allowing used games on PC is just an unfortunate side effect of fighting piracy.
On PC, they're trying to stop people from playing games illegally.
On console, they're trying to stop people from legally playing used games.
It's a world of difference.
Neuromancer
Member
If this is true maybe borrowed/bought used games would have a free trial period or something (like an hour or two of gameplay) and then you'd be prompted $10 to unlock the game or you'd be booted out. And maybe rented games would be special versions where you get a code from Red Box/Gamefly to put in to unlock the rest of the game, but it lasts a limited period of time (a few days).
Delicious Waffles
Member
Sucks about not being able to play used games. Lately, I've been buying a lot more new games than used but I do enjoy trading those new games in towards other new games. Takes some money off the price. If I can't do that, it's no big deal but it's always nice to save some cash.
It's not the fact that it's newer, it's that there is a reported rumor about it being implemented versus just having a patent submitted for approval. And based of the EDGE rumor it wouldn't seem as though Microsoft is using new technology to implement anti-used games, thus no patent required.
Dark Octave
Banned
I'm not in the business of selling used games, I'm a gamer so I couldn't care less about the second hand game thing.
The need to be always online is worrying though. I guess it's no different from Steam, though I do hear they have an offline mode now. I also hear it sucks for whatever reason though.
The need to be always online is worrying though. I guess it's no different from Steam, though I do hear they have an offline mode now. I also hear it sucks for whatever reason though.
Forbes has now picked up the story about Gamestop's stock tanking after this report.
People are willing to be bent over the table to be fed scraps once in a while, it seems.
You, as a consumer, have more options in all of those marketplaces than what you do in the console sphere. Why do people make such a shoddy comparison when they attempt supporting this?
GillianSeed79
Member
As someone who also plays PC games, I'm used to DRM codes. (Always online is bullshit if true though). The above concerns me more. Everything I've read in rumors and reports suggests that the PS4 is more powerful. The above suggests that is true, as well indications that it's easier to develop for. Every day, PS4 is looking more attractive. If everything comes to pass as reported, PS4 will probbaly be me my main console while Xbox Next will my CoD console that I only play when my few IRL friends who still game play online.