Chiggs
Gold Member
Oh, I'm sure they're bending over backwards to appease them, given you help them in no way.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Oh, I'm sure they're bending over backwards to appease them, given you help them in no way.
IF their direct competitor won't do it MS would be fools to support such a practice.
AlanzTalon
Member
Anyone who thinks this box won't work without a live Internet connection is taking crazy pills.
You might need to authenticate if you install the game from disk. That stops people from installing and immediately selling it and playing off the HDD if they let you install and play without the disk.
Pushing digital effectively ends secondary markets.
You might need to authenticate if you install the game from disk. That stops people from installing and immediately selling it and playing off the HDD if they let you install and play without the disk.
Pushing digital effectively ends secondary markets.
Honestly, I won't mind the no used games thing much if it's true.
I fucking hate Gamestop. They give you $15 of store credit for a 3 day old game that you just paid $60 for, then sell it back for $55. Like, really, a 5 dollar discount? Fuck that.
Although it would be nice, if they provided some exempt copies (for Redbox and the like). And the online stores (whether on Live or PSN) need to have more (and better) discounts on a weekly basis. It's really sad how little some of the prices of the digital copies fluctuate months (and sometimes years) after their release...
I fucking hate Gamestop. They give you $15 of store credit for a 3 day old game that you just paid $60 for, then sell it back for $55. Like, really, a 5 dollar discount? Fuck that.
Although it would be nice, if they provided some exempt copies (for Redbox and the like). And the online stores (whether on Live or PSN) need to have more (and better) discounts on a weekly basis. It's really sad how little some of the prices of the digital copies fluctuate months (and sometimes years) after their release...
That would be illegal.
Portugeezer
Member
Steam: always online and no used games. oh snap
Used buyers do help, indirectly, but they do.
OrlanisWorks
Banned
I wasnt planning on going to microsoft this upcoming generation due to the chrrent gen xbod live gold stupidshit. Always online consoles would be stupid and seem like it wouldn't be happening. The activation codes sounds more realitic and wouldnt be too surprising. But video gsme retail stores would suffer from huge loss of used games.
Would like more facts and less speculation or anonymous-based evidence.
Would like more facts and less speculation or anonymous-based evidence.
CoffeeJanitor
Member
PS4 here I come
DeuceGamer
Member
Well, Next Gen just got even more interesting IF these are true. I'm not convinced that this is a certainty and of course I hope not. I haven't read the entire thread, but hope Sony doesn't follow suit as I was already leaning towards Sony originally.
I like how this discussion went from "no way this is true" to "anti-used games is ok, justified by crazy logic" to "PS4 also must haz this, no way Sony are getting left behind" ..
I really hope EDGE comes out with a similar article on Orbis, so I can truly decide to skip both of them or not.
I really hope EDGE comes out with a similar article on Orbis, so I can truly decide to skip both of them or not.
DidntKnowJack
Member
This just in, the internet blew up today...
Seriously though, until there's any confirmation of any of this, we need to be skeptical of this story. This is kind of crazy.
Seriously though, until there's any confirmation of any of this, we need to be skeptical of this story. This is kind of crazy.
flyinpiranha
Member
I don't understand what you're trying to imply here? There is a reason there are 1000's of Gamestops with millions of used games. Gamers buy and sell their games.
Green Yoshi
Member
Sounds very realistic to me. Second hand games and illegal copies were an eyesore for many publishers on the 360.
Shenanigans. You don't have to make up shit to drum up hate for GameStop; it's already in full effect.
What the hell did I just read?
This doesn't only concern Gamestop (who you hate oh so much), but it also prevents you from selling your games to someone yourself, or buying games from someone else... Or even getting a used game for FREE.
I wouldn't have a problem with either proposition so long as it's handled the way it is with steam.
Drastic price reduction during sales and lower initial cost for DD titles. This is in regard to the no used game portion.
Allow an offline mode the way steam does.
However, if the pricing model remains the same, and there is truly no way to play offline (zero chance of that ever happening), screw them.
I'd hope my fellow gamers wouldn't reward such audacity and anti-consumerism.
Drastic price reduction during sales and lower initial cost for DD titles. This is in regard to the no used game portion.
Allow an offline mode the way steam does.
However, if the pricing model remains the same, and there is truly no way to play offline (zero chance of that ever happening), screw them.
I'd hope my fellow gamers wouldn't reward such audacity and anti-consumerism.
Hero_of_the_Day
Member
If true, they just helped Sony earn a customer who was 360 only this gen. I don't really care about used games, but always on internet? Fuck that. Every time the wind blows around here my damn internet goes out. Fucking Mediacom.
ShockingAlberto
Member
This bullshit needs to stop.
You're no more of a gamer than I am. You're no more of a gamer than most people. Your "no true Scotsman" shit just makes it seem like you're more of an asshole than a lot of people, but more a gamer? No.
Because you've never bought or sold a used game does not make you more of anything except more of someone who has never bought or sold a game used game. The fact that you think that makes you more of a gamer is pretty fucking sad.
Developers are going out of business now
Aquamarine
Member
I am a "gamer" as well no second hand games is the stupidest idea ever. I have 2 PS3's one in the living room and one in my room and so in the future if I go xbox I would have to move my whole console between rooms to play, or wouldn't be able to borrow my roommates games. I also like to go back to by consoles and games from previous generations that I missed. That would be impossible in the future as well. What about games where used is the only option to be able to play them. Stuff like xenoblade where it is impossible to buy a new copy in a store.
Don't forget "rumors>>Patents".
mugurumakensei
Member
Previous stories were about the power of the consoles. Now, we are hearing about the features.
That just takes the inbuilt disincentive out of used games. The activation code would have to be $55.
Under which law/doctrine? Certainly not collusion
Again: this is not only a problem with second hand market. This also means you cannot lend games to people. Which is absurd.
I'm not defending the below views or condoning them on consoles.
What do you think modern PC gaming is? The content no longer matters what you're buying is the right to play the game not the content of the game itself. You try selling a modern PC game without a keycode and see how much you get for it.
When you buy a modern PC game you're buying this:
The day we bought Skyrim brought it home put the disc in and a prompt came up to put in the cd key and it started downloading the game rather than installing the disc is the day PC gaming became all about the cd key.
Glass Rebel
Member
Why if 1 does it so will the other. No way just 1 does it and kills their system before it launches with gamers. MS is going all in on casuals and anti-used will keep the casual gamers away.
Quoted and bolded for truth.
Fallout-NL
Member
This has been pretty common on PC for... over a decade. So I don't really understand the 'PC gaming will explode' remarks.
glimmerman
Member
Gamestop down 8% ( price: $24.71) or so already today for on the back of this.
And this thread brings us back to a Pachter quote, made in August last year...
"GameStop is stupidly cheap," says Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush in Los Angeles, who has an Outperform rating and $33 price target on the stock (ticker: GME). "The mentality on Wall Street is that all physical media for entertainment is going away. Hedge-fund managers who are short think everyone will download. They assume everyone in this country is like them, with state-of-the-art everything. They need to ask their drivers and nannies how they get their content," Pachter adds."
from:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111904239304577577100504357894.html
Pachter d0med Gamestop. Score another one for the meme.
And this thread brings us back to a Pachter quote, made in August last year...
"GameStop is stupidly cheap," says Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush in Los Angeles, who has an Outperform rating and $33 price target on the stock (ticker: GME). "The mentality on Wall Street is that all physical media for entertainment is going away. Hedge-fund managers who are short think everyone will download. They assume everyone in this country is like them, with state-of-the-art everything. They need to ask their drivers and nannies how they get their content," Pachter adds."
from:
http://online.barrons.com/article/SB50001424053111904239304577577100504357894.html
Pachter d0med Gamestop. Score another one for the meme.
While Sony and MS will always have one eye on the other it seems to be (with the Durango specs in mind) that MS are going off in a different direction and may want to forge a new market by taking this new console in a new direction.
it entirely possible MS simply do not want to wage another 'gaming Cold war' with Sony this coming generation given how the market has changed since the 360 launched.
Neuromancer
Member
Damn, ShockingAlberto throwing down!
Sure. But having a representative in such an important position stating unequivocally that he is against blocking used games is reassuring. Even if the company patents technology that could enable that locking. Patents are meaningless.
This.
I can survive without used games, though I'd much rather have the option to choose. But always on-line is a big no for me.
Let us wait and see if it is indeed true... Sad news if it is.
Skiesofwonder
Walruses, camels, bears, rabbits, tigers and badgers.
So you expect people who bought a sixty dollar game to walk into GameStop and sell their disk back for two or three dollars? That wouldn't even pay for the car trip back home.
Dorimukyasuto
Member
I'm pretty sure GameStop is shitting their pants at the thought of this.
That's why I think it won't happen. We saw what they did with the PSP Go, they hated that thing.
That's why I think it won't happen. We saw what they did with the PSP Go, they hated that thing.
how come your name isn't in red yet?
Gouty
Bloodborne is shit
Please, like they aren't already dealing with this.
Its going to be even worse if this is true. Whose going to want to take a risk on a new ip if you can't even get rid of the game if you don't like it?
dragonflys545
Member
If MS doesn't show something soon. Things gonna get out of hand.
I pretty much buy mostly digital at this point. Haven't sold a game of mine to anyone in many years. Also, I currently live in France where I think it's illegal to rent/sell used games, so uh yeah...