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[Grampa Simpson]

Ha!

I can't wait for Sony to announce the same exact thing.

 

[RedSwirl]

That would be fucked up if the Wii U ended up being the only console that didn't do this. Ain't gonna happen, but Nintendo seems to be the only big game company not actively trying to fight second-hand sales. Maybe because their own games never have to worry about the price disparities. I wonder why.

 

[Breakfast at Noon]

has MS stomped this rumor/speculation? if not.. then it is true.

 

[Delusibeta]

Windows 8 wasn't a dumb move it was done on purpose to move ahead of the market before tablets/touchscreen ultrabooks take over. That way when they finally become larger than the PC desktop and non-touchscreen ultrabook market they will have a Full OS actually built for it.

In fact Windows 8 is one of the first times Microsoft hasn't reacted late to a market change and one of their least dumb moves in the long run.

The problem is that, if anything, the opposite has happened: Windows 8 has proven unpopular with desktop/laptop users, desktop/laptop sales are still declining and Windows 8 tablets have frankly been a mess and all have a problem of being more expensive than the equivalent iPad, never mind the mess that Metro is.

For the average consumer, a $400 iPad is more attractive than a $900+ Surface Pro, and even the $400 Windows RT stuff is being crushed by the $260 iPad Minis and the various $200 Android tablets. They've priced themselves out of the market.

 

[ced]

Like I needed any more reasons to not support their new adbox.

 

[ari]

I'm not defending the below views or condoning them on consoles.

What do you think modern PC gaming is? The content no longer matters what you're buying is the right to play the game not the content of the game itself. You try selling a modern PC game without a keycode and see how much you get for it.

When you buy a modern PC game you're buying this:

The day we bought Skyrim brought it home put the disc in and a prompt came up to put in the cd key and it started downloading the game rather than installing the disc is the day PC gaming became all about the cd key.

This is one of the reasons pc gaming is doing shitty.

 

[gundamkyoukai]

Well this is bullshit if Sony or MS goes with this i going to wait until there consoles get really cheap .
I normally buy all my games new so that not really a big deal but i lend them out to friends so the fuck them if they do this .

 

[Speedy Blue Dude]

For one, why would I be happy to have less freedom with a game I paid for? There are a lot of reasons why I'd want used games to exist:

1. Being able to borrow or let someone borrow/try a game.
2. Selling a game I got burned by (couldn't get rid of LittleBigPlanet or Kirby's Epic Yarn fast enough after I bought them)
3. Selling games to buy NEW games
4. The ability to buy a physical game 2 years after release (the shelf life for most games is very small)

I don't understand why some people are so willing to give up certain things that heavily benefit consumers so easily.

1) A lot of games have Demos on Xbox Live. Couldn't try it like that? Or look up gameplay videos and reviews/opinions to check to see if you'll like the game?

2) Why did you get burned out on those games? Did you not like them? Again, sucks having to adapt and no longer being able to sell back games you don't like, but again, can you watch videos online and read OTs for the game on NeoGAF so you know you'll like the game?

3) That's good for you but bad for the market.If you sell 3 games so you can get $60 to buy a game, you support the game you bought, but now someone else buys the 3 games used, screwing over the 3 developers/publishers of the games you sold.

4) Buy it digitally. The article even states games will be avaliable for download digitally and retail. If you can't find a game you want 1 year later, just buy it digitally.

I can see the concern and critism against Anti-Used Games, but to me it doesn't seem like too big of a deal for me.

 

[MaulerX]

I don't believe this crap. It just doesn't make sense. A large portion of their customers don't even have internet! It'll be suicide. Besides, when people trade games they do it mainly to get credit for a newer game. I'm starting to take Edge with a mega grain of salt. They're getting trolled hard here. It's almost obvious. Microsoft (or somebody) is leaking some serious misinformation.

 

[Busty]

This bullshit needs to stop.

You're no more of a gamer than I am. You're no more of a gamer than most people. Your "no true Scotsman" shit just makes it seem like you're more of an asshole than a lot of people, but more a gamer? No.

Because you've never bought or sold a used game does not make you more of anything except more of someone who has never bought or sold a game used game. The fact that you think that makes you more of a gamer is pretty fucking sad.

Just to be clear ShockingAlberto are you posting this while wearing your 'regular Joe' GAF member hat or are you wearing your 'gaming industry insider' hat.

I ask because I'm not sure which it is from one post to the next.

 

[Zabka]

My brother and I usually trade games back and forth. It's a good thing Microsoft is putting a stop to this criminal enterprise.

 

[mugurumakensei]

Honestly, I won't mind the no used games thing much if it's true.

I fucking hate Gamestop. They give you $15 of store credit for a 3 day old game that you just paid $60 for, then sell it back for $55. Like, really, a 5 dollar discount? Fuck that.

Eh, I typically get 30-45 for games I buy and sell within the same month.

 

[The_Darkest_Red]

I'm pretty sure GameStop is shitting their pants at the thought of this.
That's why I think it won't happen. We saw what they did with the PSP Go, they hated that thing.

The difference is, PSP Go wasn't the follow up to the Xbox 360 (the US' best selling console this generation).

 

[ezekial45]

I know gamestop was the first thing people thought of, but this will also be a big blow to services like GameFly as well. Myself and many others get great use of the service.

I just don't to want to believe it just yet. This all sounds pretty wild.

 

[Future PhaZe]

Xbox matching steam sales and general DD costs?

i laughed

 

[CountAntonius]

This is definitely where the market is headed. Publishers and console makers both gain nothing from the second hand market and have been wanting to kill it off for awhile. I guess they figured with Steam being what it is now is the time to do it.

 

[Mandoric]

5 years from now, high speed internet is going to be more common than it is now. Especially outside of the US. Microsoft is building for that customer.

How is this "building for that customer"? "Building for that customer" should be creating features to benefit them like an online cheevo system to get rid of the need for save locking, or joining the 1990s with Sony and Nintendo(!) and allowing full-size patches, or improving SDKs to make drop-in coop a regular feature. This is just an antifeature to punish everyone else.

Then again, XBL is just a pile of antifeatures to punish people who don't cough up their $60 or happen to live in the wrong country, so I suppose there's plenty of history there.

 

[trixx]

I mean this is terrible and i won't be supporting this if true, i already have a wii u, pc, getiing 3ds/vita. But i highly doubt that many people in this thread won't be supporting these consoles.

Let's be honest here, even if they both have an anti-used system majority of you guys will still buy the consoles regardless.

 

[BruceLeeRoy]

If Microsoft is stopping second hand games you can bet Sony is doing the same and none of you should be surprised

 

[Glass Rebel]

This is one of the reasons pc gaming is doing shitty.

it is?

 

[Anth0ny]

There is no way this is true.

I'd actually skip out on it if it was. Fuck always online. I don't have the bandwidth or the patience for that shit.

 

[TheOddOne]

has MS stomped this rumor/speculation? if not.. then it is true.

None of the console manufactures have commented on the used game policy, even when patents and numerous rumors have come out about it. I think it’s safe to assume, for now atleast, that both will have some form of blocking.

 

[FordGTGuy]

It's not the fact that it's newer, it's that there is a reported rumor about it being implemented versus just having a patent submitted for approval. And based of the EDGE rumor it wouldn't seem as though Microsoft is using new technology to implement anti-used games, thus no patent required.

So basically you're saying it's all crap and amounts to nothing?

There is no actual evidence that Microsoft is going through with this.

You sound like you want it to be true for Microsoft, personally I want the truth no matter who it benefits in the end.

has MS stomped this rumor/speculation? if not.. then it is true.

Great logic you there a argument from ignorance....

After listening to Windows Weekly and the rest of the TWIT network long enough I know Microsoft does not comment on rumors(on devices/software they are currently developing).

 

[Neuromancer]

This is definitely where the market is headed. Publishers and console makers both gain nothing from the second hand market and have been wanting to kill it off for awhile. I guess they figured with Steam being what it is now is the time to do it.

Except the churn of used games being traded in feeds the new game market.

 

[Currygan]

This has been pretty common on PC for... over a decade. So I don't really understand the 'PC gaming will explode' remarks.

no, it's not common and there are major differences between PC gaming and console. People need to understand this

If this is true maybe borrowed/bought used games would have a free trial period or something (like an hour or two of gameplay) and then you'd be prompted $10 to unlock the game or you'd be booted out. And maybe rented games would be special versions where you get a code from Red Box/Gamefly to put in to unlock the rest of the game, but it lasts a limited period of time (a few days).

not to criticize your post, but this kind of bollocks would put me down more than not being able to play used games

 

[dosh]

What's scary about this thread isn't really people acting like it's true but people actually defending it

I agree. Some of the opinions in this thread are incredibly absurd and uneducated.

 

[alphaNoid]

Always online doesn't bother me, because the second I've turned on my PC, my Xbox my phone for the last 5 years, they're always online anyways. No second hand games sucks, I would always want to buy/sell my games. However, lets be real ... this was coming any everyone here knew it, don't act surprised all of sudden. If MS is doing it, you can bet Sony is too. Welcome to PC gaming circa 1993, when used games went away and activation codes became a reality.

Even today we have Steam and other services, nobody complains. Thats because PC gamers are used to it, and ride the back of sales to buy most content. I suspect console gamers are just going to have to join the party finally. I'm not saying its right, I'm saying its happening and its been happening for 20 years for PC gamers.

Welcome aboard lol

 

[Raonak]

no used games doesn't bother me. what does is no borrowing and the online activations.

 

[JawzPause]

Wow, if true, Microsoft are well and truly fucked

 

[maquiladora]

has MS stomped this rumor/speculation? if not.. then it is true.

12 months ago Totilo had a very similar report :

I've heard from one reliable industry source that Microsoft intends to incorporate some sort of anti-used game system as part of their so-called Xbox 720.

And this was MS comment to Totilo, no attempt to confirm or deny :

[UPDATE: A Microsoft rep e-mailed me the following statement: "As an innovator we're always thinking about what is next and how we can push the boundaries of technology like we did with Kinect. We believe the key to extending the lifespan of a console is not just about the console hardware, but about the games and entertainment experiences being delivered to consumers. Beyond that we don't comment on rumors or speculation."]

http://kotaku.com/5879202/sources-t...-play-used-games-and-will-introduce-kinect-2/

 

[Dunan]

Honestly, I won't mind the no used games thing much if it's true.

I fucking hate Gamestop. They give you $15 of store credit for a 3 day old game that you just paid $60 for, then sell it back for $55. Like, really, a 5 dollar discount? Fuck that.

No one is forcing you to deal with Gamestop. When you're done playing a game, sell it privately, or on Craigslist, or Amazon, or eBay.

It seems like roughly half the anti-used crowd's arguments center on how much the arguer hates Gamestop. Evidently Gamestop is so evil that consumer rights and the first sale doctrine can burn in the lava pits of hell just as long as Gamestop is tossed into the flames along with them.

 

[CambriaRising]

Welp. Not buying this one I guess. (If true)

 

[Ponn]

I dont refuse to believe it because both MS and Sony are arrogant enough to do it. MS will say PCs have been doing it for years so whats the big deal and we want every owner online to pay for xbox live. And Sony is, well Sony. If only one of them do it then it will be an auto win for the other. Clerks will warn customers, especially Gamestop clerks. That company will be made an example of by the console market.

If both do it this would be the major fuck up by both Sony and MS that hands Wii U a win as the dark horse ive been saying in other threads.

 

[indigo-cyclops]

1) A lot of games have Demos on Xbox Live. Couldn't try it like that? Or look up gameplay videos and reviews/opinions to check to see if you'll like the game?

2) Why did you get burned out on those games? Did you not like them? Again, sucks having to adapt and no longer being able to sell back games you don't like, but again, can you watch videos online and read OTs for the game on NeoGAF so you know you'll like the game?

3) That's good for you but bad for the market.If you sell 3 games so you can get $60 to buy a game, you support the game you bought, but now someone else buys the 3 games used, screwing over the 3 developers/publishers of the games you sold.

4) Buy it digitally. The article even states games will be avaliable for download digitally and retail. If you can't find a game you want 1 year later, just buy it digitally.

I can see the concern and critism against Anti-Used Games, but to me it doesn't seem like too big of a deal for me.

IF they decide to have accurate, competitive pricing, maybe. Wouldn't surprise me if digital games still cost CLOSE to [if not] full price. For people to even entertain digital game sales as a replacement for used games sales, the prices need to be accurate and compelling. I'm not buying a year old game for 40-50 dollars when I could get it used for 20.

 

[ari]

it is?

Using keys? Absolutely.

 

[abadguy]

While Sony and MS will always have one eye on the other it seems to be (with the Durango specs in mind) that MS are going off in a different direction and may want to forge a new market by taking this new console in a new direction.

it entirely possible MS simply do not want to wage another 'gaming Cold war' with Sony this coming generation given how the market has changed since the 360 launched.

Sorry but that is a load of crap. Market hasn't changed that much since the 360 released and MS has made no such claims that they don't consider Sony a competitor. Even if that wasn't the case, having a console that must always be online for games to work would be suicide, since it would effectively cut their customer base in half, if live goes down you wouldn't be able to play your games. They put their market share overseas in jeopardy, there is no upside to it whatsoever.

I dont refuse to believe it because both MS and Sony are arrogant enough to do it. MS will say PCs have been doing it for years so whats the big deal and we want every owner online to pay for xbox live. And Sony is, well Sony. If only one of them do it then it will be an auto win for the other. Clerks will warn customers, especially Gamestop clerks. That company will be made an example of by the console market.

If both do it this would be the major fuck up by both Sony and MS that hands Wii U a win as the dark horse ive been saying in other threads.

But it's not arrogance, it's plain stupidity.

 

[Takuya]

I pretty much buy mostly digital at this point. Haven't sold a game of mine to anyone in many years. Also, I currently live in France where I think it's illegal to rent/sell used games, so uh yeah...

So Gamestop is a non-factor in your current country.

 

[Oppo]

I don't believe this crap. It just doesn't make sense. A large portion of their customers don't even have internet! It'll be suicide. Besides, when people trade games they do it mainly to get credit for a newer game. I'm starting to take Edge with a mega grain of salt. They're getting trolled hard here. It's almost obvious. Microsoft (or somebody) is leaking some serious misinformation.

You're right - but what is missing is how much these customers are worth to Microsoft, vs the calculation they must have made about having their entire customer base online. It may just be that ruthless. People who aren't online can't take advantage of Live or anything DD that MS might do, they obviously don't spend as much money on average.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Using keys? Absolutely.

doing shitty

 

[ShockingAlberto]

This is definitely where the market is headed. Publishers and console makers both gain nothing from the second hand market and have been wanting to kill it off for awhile. I guess they figured with Steam being what it is now is the time to do it.

Except for the additional opportunities to sell DLC and other products with no physical overhead?

Did something change and Microsoft and Sony no longer get cuts from that?

 

[Falagard]

They need to drop the prices of games if the used game market is going to disappear.

I would prefer if they provided a way for a game owner to release their license of the game so it can be transferred to someone else.

 

[Neuromancer]

No one is forcing you to deal with Gamestop. When you're done playing a game, sell it privately, or on Craigslist, or Amazon, or eBay.

It seems like roughly half the anti-used crowd's arguments center on how much the arguer hates Gamestop. Evidently Gamestop is so evil that consumer rights and the first sale doctrine can burn in the lava pits of hell just as long as Gamestop is tossed into the flames along with them.

Yeah I haven't sold a game to Gamestop in years, they're awful. I do private sales or sell to Best Buy when they do 100% extra trade in, if you time it right it's not uncommon to get $40 for a game.

 

[maverick40]

has someone contacted Microsoft yet about this shit?

 

[Elios83]

I don't think this is fake and I doubt that it will only be about Microsoft if it's truly happening.
Let's not pretend that online passes have not happened already, both console manufacturers and publishers are unhappy about the used games market and the fact companies like Gamestop are getting more money from that rather than selling new games.
If it's happening I think it won't be the decision of a single company committing commercial suicide but a direction where the market is headed.
Of course anti-used measures can be implemented at different levels. It has not be a totally radical solution but something that shrinks the used games market is definetly possible. Something like limited play time for used copies (so that used copies offer the same value of a rental), or limited number of activations for all the games (so that a single copy can't be sold multiple times by different owners).
Hopefully it won't happen but people should be prepared.

 

[Mastperf]

This bullshit needs to stop.

You're no more of a gamer than I am. You're no more of a gamer than most people. Your "no true Scotsman" shit just makes it seem like you're more of an asshole than a lot of people, but more a gamer? No.

Because you've never bought or sold a used game does not make you more of anything except more of someone who has never bought or sold a game used game. The fact that you think that makes you more of a gamer is pretty fucking sad.

Well said.

 

[Perkel]

Microsoft announce system to prevent used games market.
Gamestop announce that they won't sell X720 games
Microsoft announce it was mistake and Gamestop is best bro.

 

[quest]

I mean this is terrible and i won't be supporting this if true, i already have a wii u, pc, getiing 3ds/vita. But i highly doubt that many people in this thread won't be supporting these consoles.

Let's be honest here, even if they both have an anti-used system majority of you guys will still buy the consoles.

Not if prices stay at 59.99 for new games. I could live with it if games were 39.99 instead but we know that won't happen. I am not going to pay 59.99 for a disk rental.

 

[Busty]

If both do it this would be the major fuck up by both Sony and MS that hands Wii U a win as the dark horse ive been saying in other threads.

No. It's like saying people stop buying pizza and start eating kids birthday cake instead.

 

[plutoknight]

This is one of the reasons pc gaming is doing shitty.

PC gaming is doing shitty? Here, let me introduce you to Steam......

PC gaming is only as "shitty" as the developers who refuse to support it because "TEH PIRATEZ!!"

 

[Plinko]

This bullshit needs to stop.

You're no more of a gamer than I am. You're no more of a gamer than most people. Your "no true Scotsman" shit just makes it seem like you're more of an asshole than a lot of people, but more a gamer? No.

Because you've never bought or sold a used game does not make you more of anything except more of someone who has never bought or sold a game used game. The fact that you think that makes you more of a gamer is pretty fucking sad.

*Standing ovation*