Big Takeover
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From the OP:
A code will still be your ticket in. The disk is useless second hand. Throw it away, or keep it if someday you want to repurchase the licence.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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From the OP:
A code will still be your ticket in. The disk is useless second hand. Throw it away, or keep it if someday you want to repurchase the licence.
bigace33
Member
bob_arctor
Tough_Smooth
See, this is why I sift through pages of neogaf ranting & raving. To find the worst analogies I possibly can.
| think best buy, walmart, target would pick up their slack. At least at launch for sure.
So is this MTW guy legit or what?
If it were proven false, people would likely make the claim that MS backed out of the plan due to the article and negative reactions from consumers or some shit.
Graphics Horse
Member
How did Ouya manage to get a deal with Gamestop if Microsoft can't?
I remember reading an article a while back when they asked the GameStop CEO about anti-used games on next-gen consoles he said it'll be a poor business decision for Microsoft and Sony and that they'll be against selling a console with that feature. I'll try to look for the article.
It's really sad for us consumers if true. Microsoft is hoping we'll blink our eyes and see that buying video games is just buying apps. Because, as that ridiculous MK thread with the term 'driving app' so hilariously illustrated, this is a dominant conception of millennials. Kid friendly, family friendly devices tend to be closed and Microsoft wants that.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
So we've got a guy on Twitter who "knows" about Durango specs against a major gaming media organization.
Well, I don't know how it'll turn out but I know who I'd bet on.
Eh...that hurts the market. Walmart isn't willing to carry certain games, Best buy and target don't have the greatest selections...it'd be spitting in the eye of the place that people identify with video games. It's a real concern.
Gamestop opting to not sell one console would be a HUGE blow to that console's parent company.
Well isn't Edge getting the story from Forbes? Or is that the other way around? Forbes has been wrong before and if they're just echoing the story, Edge loses nothing in parroting it.
Polishin8r
Member
lol @ people wanting to switch to PC if MS go the anti used games route. Steam/Valve is the very reason MS/Sony would be adopting this philosophy in the first place.
I think the report is exaggerated. My impression is that MS wants to reduce the loss from used game sales, but they won't shoot themselves in the foot in doing so.
- I think they'll have ID keys for every game, that binds to the first user every time.
- They will create a marketplace within their own ecosystem to allow these users to resell these games digitally, effectively cutting out the retailer.
- Each resale will generate a small profit towards MS/Devs.
- Seller is happy, buyer is happy, MS/Devs get what they wanted by gaining returns on their games. Ultimately the losers are the retailers.
At least that's one way of implementing it without inducing a riot. MS can't be that stupid ... right?
wow a great idea... but Microsoft was responsible for Vista and windows 8...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
EDGE isn't getting this from Forbes. They said they have their own sources on this.
Gamestops loss I guess.
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
WAIT. SO you can buy the disc, and probably download the game later for your hard drive... or just use the disc to install the game and never need it again.
Im greatful! I never buy used games anyway. This way will be more like how it is on PC anyway.
Im greatful! I never buy used games anyway. This way will be more like how it is on PC anyway.
Except without the openess and competition. It'll be more like North Korea.
Polishin8r
Member
who gives a shit about constop, i get my shit from Amazingamazon
Yeah, I'd say so
ugh, I always new this was going to happen at some point, I just hoped we'd get another console generation before the inevitable...
Only hope is that M$ copies steam with regular and deeply discounted sales. It's undeniable that this retail methods works, and PC guys didn't really seem to miss used games when there was a more convenient (and less expensive) alternative.
This might actually be somewhat plausible considering the XBL sale over Christmas was decent value for the most part, and pretty much all retail games are making there way to Games on Demand.
There really isn't any chance digital content from XBL will provide the same bang for your buck as steam, but console are always playing catch up to PC, and Rome wasn't built in a day.
/Optimism
Microsoft, you got some 'splainin' to do at E3...Don't fuck this up! (even more)
Only hope is that M$ copies steam with regular and deeply discounted sales. It's undeniable that this retail methods works, and PC guys didn't really seem to miss used games when there was a more convenient (and less expensive) alternative.
This might actually be somewhat plausible considering the XBL sale over Christmas was decent value for the most part, and pretty much all retail games are making there way to Games on Demand.
There really isn't any chance digital content from XBL will provide the same bang for your buck as steam, but console are always playing catch up to PC, and Rome wasn't built in a day.
/Optimism
Microsoft, you got some 'splainin' to do at E3...Don't fuck this up! (even more)
Version 3.0
Member
DD and DRM are not the same thing. You can buy a DD game right now at GOG.com that doesn't violate any of the things I mentioned.
Supermanisdead
Member
There's a lot of "fuck you, I got mine" attitude in this thread. There is no positive in this. The suggested ideas in this article are pure shit and there are still people widening their mouths to eat it up. It's just sad.
bigace33
Member
As gamer,s we should all hope this is false(Even you die hard fanboys of each company). If MS is willing to do this, there is no way that Sony is not going to follow suit. It must mean this is going to be the industry standard going into next gen. If all the devs want this then Sony had better play ball or get black balled by the industry. Many of the top games may be 720 exclusives if Sony doesn't do this as well.
The grand majority of non-hardcore gamers.
Microsoft will be shooting themselves in the foot.
Niche market (hardcore) could be persuaded to other consoles.
The mass market core (dudebro gamers) could avoid it if they hear about not being able to sell their games back.
And the mass market (casual) will find it confusing and frustrating.
With retailers dipping into the 2nd hand game market more and more, many could not carry the system (PSPGo anyone?) and if they do they will make sure customers know it has to always be online and they can't resell games. Gamestop I'm sure will be first to do that.
This could also inflate game prices, actually. Retailers make little to no margin on games- one reason why they dip into 2nd hand gaming. Not being able to create that market, retailers could raise prices themselves if the MSRP isn't good enough for their ends.
This could be why there was talk of Gamestop moving to start taking older consoles and games- as they're beginning to see the new market unveil itself as being download only. It's beginning to look like PS4/720 could crash the market if high price and anti-consumer actions are what happens...what I was worried about.
Niche market (hardcore) could be persuaded to other consoles.
The mass market core (dudebro gamers) could avoid it if they hear about not being able to sell their games back.
And the mass market (casual) will find it confusing and frustrating.
With retailers dipping into the 2nd hand game market more and more, many could not carry the system (PSPGo anyone?) and if they do they will make sure customers know it has to always be online and they can't resell games. Gamestop I'm sure will be first to do that.
This could also inflate game prices, actually. Retailers make little to no margin on games- one reason why they dip into 2nd hand gaming. Not being able to create that market, retailers could raise prices themselves if the MSRP isn't good enough for their ends.
This could be why there was talk of Gamestop moving to start taking older consoles and games- as they're beginning to see the new market unveil itself as being download only. It's beginning to look like PS4/720 could crash the market if high price and anti-consumer actions are what happens...what I was worried about.
You don't actually believe that, do you?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Agreed. I'm still struggling to see how people are encouraging this. This is done purely to screw over the consumer and many people just bend over and say, "Have at it!"
Polishin8r
Member
yeah but if they went out of business would be soooo hard to go across the street to walmart or target to get your console?
It doens't, sheesh. It just means there's a kinect in every box and it's part of the system on a whole. There will be an actual physical controller, Microsoft's not that dumb.
SlickShoesRUCrazy
Member
not just a guy.
he is the guy that tried to sell alpha dev kits on ebay before ms ninjas got to him.
ForTheFallenDreams
Neo Member
I can only think of 2 scenarios;
1. Sony tags along with Microsoft and thousands of people will lose their jobs over it (retailers) and where would they sell there hardware then?
2. Sony doesn't tag along and Microsoft will fail upcoming gen. and will only sell for Halo/Gears
I just can't imagine any gamestore that would want to sell a console like this...(With the exception of maybe a Toy's R Us?)
If this is true I could see the next xbox become another 'Halobox'
YuriLowell
Member
Most people have no idea when a company is taking advantage of them, they just suck it up and say its the future.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
The Kinect news said it would "ship alongside," not "ship in every box." I read that as it would be another Kinect but wouldn't be shipped with every system.
SnakeSlashRO
Banned
demosthenes
Member
Yea a company is going to give up hundreds of thousands of sales if not millions of sales, lol.
Uno Venova
Banned
still he has a bad rap and shouldn't be listened to.
schwabdizzle
Banned
roughly 50% of Gamestops income comes from used game sales. This sucks from them. I personally am glad cause I hate Gamestop. They are a rip.
bigace33
Member
Why not? If they are saying the devs are the very people clamouring for this, and MS actually gives them what they want, what would be the + side of going with the PS4 which would still support the used game market?(assuming)
It would be a no brainer, most gamers would just jump on PS4 and devs would be right back at square one. I'm thinking they would support the actually Box that was created with them in mind. The supposed 720 no used games console.
Depends. What if Walmart doesn't have the 199.99 core model when gamestop would have?
What if Gamestop would have carried the 500.00 all enclusive bundle when Walmart doesn't?
What if your walmart and target are sold out and won't resupply for weeks and the nearest alternative is 100 miles away?
It's easy to say "well go somewhere else" when all that stuff is so tightly packed together (It's like that where I live), but say you live in Vermont. Or Maine. Or Nebraska. Then it's not so clear cut.
So with that logic, why do people make PC games? Why does EA have any sort of PC presence at all? Conversely, why isn't EA developing for PC exclusively since there's no used games market there?
Clay Davis
Member
What about the dev? Unreliable?
Pachterballs
Banned
and we should care because?
It's shit on Microsoft until Sony reveals the PS4. Then if Sony pulls something, it'll be shit on Sony until Microsoft reveals their system. Then it will be a flame war of what console has the least amount of shit on top of it.
It's like 05/06 again without the $599 price tag
, yet.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
No, I wouldn't call him "unreliable" but this is really the first time EDGE has gone out on a limb like this with what could be an unsubstantiated rumor. I just don't see them doing it. It's a huge shot to credibility if they weren't 100% sure.
crazy monkey
Banned
because people are different.