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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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Because a lot happened when that happened to Halo 4 players.
But what happens when developers start pushing price walls on PS4 versions of the game? Sure you can buy it used but you'll be forced to pay say $20 dollars if you want to play multiplayer and experience the end of the game.
This is assuming Microsoft is doing this at all, and if they are, how invested are 3rd parties in the idea because they'll see more overall profit from it.
I guess thats the only positive I can think of from my perspective. People might be less inclined to cheat and mod for fear of account bannings.
Pretty shitty way to get there though.
Because the Wii is enough evidence that the big hardware devs will change their core ideals to gain a larger audience, which, in turn, effects hardcore gamers.
Or did you not whine about no HD Zelda for the past 8 years?
Watching people twist around doing the "I think/feel {this} but at least I'm not a fanboy, I swear" dance is such a great pasttime. Hehe..
scar tissue
Banned
Oculus rift and a new gaming pc sounds better by the minute. I've never been big on PC gaming, but if the OR ends up not being supported by consoles, lots of great games come out on PC with OR support AND consoles have a no used games policy, I may very well switch to PC as my primary platform.
Clay Davis
Member
You put too much stock in edge, they've been in decline for years. Saying that, this would be a major blow, but one they can recover from if proven wrong.
Personally, I don't believe any of them, but if I were to believe one, it'd be the developer working on Durango games over an anonymous source/s.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Do you guys think they will print special discs for gamefly?
I rent blu-rays from netflix and the special features and commentary are not selectable (maybe it's only certain studios though).
Maybe this will will take away the used market but still allow the rental market to keep going.
I rent blu-rays from netflix and the special features and commentary are not selectable (maybe it's only certain studios though).
Maybe this will will take away the used market but still allow the rental market to keep going.
I think they want to kill the rental market ASAP and annoyed redbox saved it.
NathanMcMahon
Banned
I know, right? Yet again someone who has no idea what the media does to confirm stories before running with them. This same bullshit from uneducated Gaffers us getting fucking old. This country really needs to require media classes in their curriculum. We are inundated constantly with media from every angle, yet the illiterate masses vomit up useless hyperbole without being informed about what they are consuming.
Hip Hop
Member
Not really, people could really careless. The paywall from Xbox Live hardly makes a dent.
There are some people out there who even buy a couple of Family-Packs from Xbox Live, just to cheat.
and have ways to get another Xbox after it has been console banned.
If they actually do this, I want each activation code (which is basically a CD key at this point) to entitle me to a digital copy of the game.
If this happens for both the next Xbox and PlayStation though, I'll probably just end up playing fewer games on them overall. I can't help but think this would cause sales to collapse on most games that aren't the very top blockbuster franchises.
Edit: How would Japan react to this in the event PlayStation did it? I hear the second-hand market is more important over there than it is in most countries.
If this happens for both the next Xbox and PlayStation though, I'll probably just end up playing fewer games on them overall. I can't help but think this would cause sales to collapse on most games that aren't the very top blockbuster franchises.
Edit: How would Japan react to this in the event PlayStation did it? I hear the second-hand market is more important over there than it is in most countries.
You obviously know nothing about the UK, or the British scene.
Microsoft dominate Sony in the UK. It is their 2nd strongest market outside the US.
Until they come to your house with pitchforks demanding your head.
By which I mean they spend their money elsewhere and the industry starts to wither.
Redbox does the same thing. They have "rental" copies of the movies which are full of previews. There typically aren't any special features, just the movie and the previews. With some 360 games at Redbox, you only get 1 of 2 or more discs if the game requires it. So for Assassins Creed 3, you could only play through the story, no multiplayer. Mac Payne 3 was worse because the singleplayer story was split on both discs so you got screwed like 60% of the way into the game.
But, I could see them doing something similar that doesn't feature certain content.
Ah, such a selfish attitude.
I buy the vast majority of my games new but if someone buy a game they should be allowed to sell it should they wish - and the EU agrees.
It's a misnomer to think that MS want Xbox in the home and that's the job done.
They want an Xbox in the home, and it used to purchase all manner of services. Games being one of them. A consumer buying an offline Xbox (which is either sold at a loss, or with tiny margin) to play second hand games (which MS get no revenue from) is the polar opposite of the situation they want.
The uncomfortable truth that many Xbox fans will need to face is they're not the droids MS are looking for any more. The Xbox brand has slowly been moving away from being gaming-centric, and we will see this shift dramatically further away from gaming with the Xbox3.
EatinOlives
Member
MS was already on thin ice with me, if the used games thing is true I'm counting them out completely. But realistically I don't think it's true, there are way more offline consoles than MS likes to admit, they won't alienate an entire chunk of their market just to eliminate used games.
Polishin8r
Member
ok in my wallmart there are wiis ds, psp, vitas, ds xl or whatever ps3 (500 or 250) wii- U ( i think?)
and there are Targets, Kmarts, and a shit ton of other stores (Bestbuy??) I think even radio shock sells ps3's and xboxes soooo
why in the world they would not stock on the new ps4 or nextbox???
I believe ther was a story her on GAF that many gamespots stores are planned to be closed (600 out of 4500 in USA ) and if all gamestops are to be closed in that case more people will go to whatever store is nearest to them...
If all fails go to amazon
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
Hmm. Yea, I could see this. Maybe they could make rental discs that doesn't include some special content (extras or whatever). I assume MP would be locked out as you said (you have would have to buy the online pass), and it has trailers and previews for game from that publisher on it or whatever.
Don't get me wrong buddy, PC gaming is great. It's just that Valve practises thus very thing, they are (like Origin and Ubisoft) are very anti-used games. They've had this stance for years and yet nobody took issue with it.
If MS take this direction (which we are still unsure of) I'm positive it will be within reason and for the ultimate benefit of the developer/publisher. Which could be both a great or terrible thing. I fucking hate EA and their shitty business practise, but at the same time I love CD Projekt RED, devs like those deserve their profits.
It's a hazy subject, one in which I hope we, the consumers, dint get screwed over.
I'm surprised that 'M$' is not a banned term.
Not pleased with this rumor's "no second-hand games," as console prices tend not to hit PC prices unless games are second-hand. In addition, almost all of my last-gen games are second-hand, because it's next to impossible to find them new.
If I want to experience games I might have missed, but the initial run is done, how am I going to get them? Digitally? Sure, maybe, but A) not all games are available digitally, and B) digital prices on console stores are atrocious.
This is not their stance, it's a law, as I understand it. PC Software is not supposed to be resold. I could be mistaken.
Not pleased with this rumor's "no second-hand games," as console prices tend not to hit PC prices unless games are second-hand. In addition, almost all of my last-gen games are second-hand, because it's next to impossible to find them new.
If I want to experience games I might have missed, but the initial run is done, how am I going to get them? Digitally? Sure, maybe, but A) not all games are available digitally, and B) digital prices on console stores are atrocious.
This is not their stance, it's a law, as I understand it. PC Software is not supposed to be resold. I could be mistaken.
Servers close until the release day, before you can't activate the game, you can't play the game.
Baconsammy
Banned
Yeah, that's bullshit. I'm sure you have the sales numbers to back that up, though.
Again, why buy an xbox when literally every other box on the market does what the xbox does, except gaming, for free?
Sure, they want you to use it as a secondary portal for all your media enmasse, but let's face it, the 360 does a pretty inferior job of it all. We, or at least I, use it as a secondary portal because I use it often enough to have it be a permanent fixture under my television, and it got there in the first place because of games.
Every secondary feature the xbox has is mimicked on it's core competition. Without games, the xbox loses relevancy. The only, ONLY ONLY ONLY ONLY way the xbox works without games is if it cuts a deal with a US cable provider and becomes a device that's within homes without people actually making the decision to have it, and even then, if it does that, it's no longer a gaming device and no one has to care about it anymore (it's a telcom issue at that point).
So harming the ability to buy games, in any way, will scare away demographics that they already have. Like poor people, or penny pinchers.
God I hope they do something about those absurd digital prices.
You're not going to get the equivalent of "Steam Sales" on the home console front when it comes to the current major players.
Original Man
Member
this is the result of everybody trading in and buying used games. how they gonna make money when everybody trading in their games, and systems?
Polishin8r
Member
at least steam has competition orgin, gamersgate, and amazon and as steam groves more willl come....but if xbox has drm they will have same high prices on evrything
So what happens when we have a situations like the Wii launch, where stores are only restocking once a month and consoles are sold out for months at a time?
And again, stop thinking about you. What happens when your grandmother wants to buy your nephew a PS4 and "the" video game store doesn't have it? She gets him the alternative.
There are a lot of factors that play into this that aren't "well I know a lot about video games so I'd just go over there, and I'm all set." The market is bigger than you.
I always liked M$. It's just not as relevant as it used to be.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
If MS/Sony did steam like sales, would everybody be ok with this?
Is the race to the bottom for price point good?
LyleLanley
Banned
It's a good way to see which posts I should ignore.
I think so.
And it's not the race to the bottom, it's a race for the optimal (the maximum amount of people vs the maximum amount they're willing to pay). It works for steam because the other outlets ARE so rigid and unbending. It'd be interesting to see what Steam would do if those sale prices suddenly weren't as appetizing across the board.
I'm not sure how this would lead to that, but okay.
Why buy Windows 8 when Linux does it for free?
It's all about convergence and convenience. A single portal to all your entertainment needs. Apps, streaming media, 3rd party content, games etc. Controlled with Kinect. Tied into your Windows 8 / Windows Phone account, on a shared ecosystem.
Because you won't be getting Forza 7 for $1.99. EVER.
ThatCrazyGuy
Member
I think about this sometimes. Would the prices for stuff be so low on steam if the prices weren't going for 60 on console for the same game? Sort of subsidizing it, as the PC is not the main money making platform in EA or ATVI eyes.
Or if like you are saying, if MS/Sony were doing the same prices ranges, or just lower that what they are doing now, so the steam price gap is not so big, what would steam do.
How do you mean steam offline mode is trash ?
I play steam games offline all the time , handy when ur connection is down
Go please, compare Games on Demand prices to Steam prices right now. Is Microsoft somehow going to be more willing to piss Walmart and Bestbuy off with lower digital prices next gen than they are now?
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
Have you actually used Steam? Offline mode works fine.
Windows 8 is doing well, it's projected so far to be on pace or faster selling than Windows 7.
Selling 10s of millions of anything in a month is what I would consider doing well.
Depends on the game and the service usually gives trouble with the update client.
Because currently it is the cheapest HD system with a huge library of games available at $29.99 or less among other things.
The 360 has replaced the Wii in most households from the people I survey/speak to while I'm working. The Wii didn't have Black Ops II, note I said Wii not Wii U, this holiday season so when talking to consumers, they saw the cheaper 360 bundles offered this past holiday as a great entry as well as factoring in the purchase of Black Ops II.
Gamer wise, there are 2 other options. PS3 or PC currently. I'm not counting the Wii U currently because Nintendo has absolutely fucked it with the lack of games. If you're a gamer, you're probably picking the PS3 or PC over the 360 at this point because you recognize the value. The average consumer sees what is priced to be the most affordable and can allow them to play the hot new games being advertised.
Microsoft and Sony aren't trying to win us over, they know we'll buy their systems. Nintendo has lost the casual market on the console side and both Microsoft and Sony are trying to get in and get that huge slice of consumers on their system buying those games.
you mean i can have 6 year old gta iv for 1.99 on steam, but it didnt run well for anyone at launch? i am excited!
playstation plus is already debunking this whole "digital console games never go on sale crap"