I remember one of the insiders of the next gen racing topic stated that there are rumors of Microsoft having 8 3rd party exclusives around launch window.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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I remember one of the insiders of the next gen racing topic stated that there are rumors of Microsoft having 8 3rd party exclusives around launch window.
Deuterium
Member
Wow, I never would have thought this. Certainly, I expect Gamestop has to be the leader for the Used game market...but I find it hard to imagine that Gamestop sells more NEW consoles then any of the following Companies; Amazon, Wallmart, Bestbuy, Target
I think Sony has to follow suit or risk alienating themselves from third party but their first party is edging towards Nintendo strong... I think they'll do it
All those trade ins towards new hardware/software. GS has to be on top of sales, used and new.
In what world is Steam a good place to go for statistics about the general PC community? If you have Steam installed, you are more likely to have Windows 8, not less.
Dr. Kitty Muffins
Member
So long as there are sales and price drops, I'm fine with it. If not, BOO.
Officerrob
Banned
One thing is for certain, somebody is about to be FUCKED! Here are the three possible scenarios:
1) This article is true, but Sony doesn't also do this: Microsoft killed the Xbox
2) This article is true, but Sony is doing the same thing: Gamestop is DEAD
3) This article is false: Edge just trashed their business
1) This article is true, but Sony doesn't also do this: Microsoft killed the Xbox
2) This article is true, but Sony is doing the same thing: Gamestop is DEAD
3) This article is false: Edge just trashed their business
Oh sure, that would be pretty excellent. Honestly I think it's one of the more devious things about Live, people think they're getting netflix or Hulu but are dismayed when they realize it's a seperate cost. But it will NEEEEEEEEEEVER happen, as it's a conflict of interest between the two companies (netflix and hulu). Live has always been a bit of a quagmire when it comes to what's offered versus what being said. 60 bucks a year isn't a lot of money, but you have to offer SOMETHING to make it interesting. I don't think microsoft can simply do what they did this generation and expect to compete, but I think that's what they'd do.
Hazelhurst
Member
Have you ever bought anything on Steam, Apple's app store, and/or Google's android marketplace? If not, I respect you sticking with your principles.
Exclusive as in not on ps3, xbox360, PC, and Orbis? Or exclusive as in, just not on Orbis?
Because if we are looking at games being released on every platform except Orbis because Orbis is the only next-gen platform to allow for used game sales, then that will be very interesting.
Hip Hop
Member
Wait, doesn't Gamestop have a good relationship with publishers? I mean, they get all these exclusive pre order bonuses all the time,
and aren't retailers the reason why online prices from Xbox and PSN aren't competitively priced, as they want to keep a good relation with retailers?
Doesn't make sense for Sony or MSoft to destroy Gamestop, or any other retailer that is in the used market business.
and aren't retailers the reason why online prices from Xbox and PSN aren't competitively priced, as they want to keep a good relation with retailers?
Doesn't make sense for Sony or MSoft to destroy Gamestop, or any other retailer that is in the used market business.
As has been stated many, many times in this thread: Steam, the App store and the Droid marketplace ALL offered something over physical media. Steam with the regular and MASSIVE discounts, the App stores with the sheer accessibility, cheapness and variety of all the apps over physical release software which dealt with massive manufacturing costs.
Again, name something in "always online, no second hand games & no playing games on your friend's Xbox" that will benefit you and others as customers. And don't even fucking try to suggest that Microsoft is now going to become Steam 2.0 and match all their sales.
Most weeks I live on an oil rig with spotty to no internet connection and no wifi. How the hell do you expect me to be able to use your console? Doing away with used games without the Steam's excuse of stopping rampant piracy is despicable as well. Go fuck yourself with a cactus, Microsoft. Last gen all it took for me to buy your console and a library of ~18 games was one good exclusive. You won't be getting my money again.
Neuromancer
Member
If true, that could just be an assy EA/Origin thing. That would not surprise me.
Microsoft's sales numbers are overwhelmingly comprised of sales to computer OEMs, who buy a certain amount of licenses for future sales of PCs. OEMs buy millions of licenses at a time because they expect to sell millions of computers.
Yet over the holidays, PC sales are actually way down year-over-year.
I'm guess the EA type publishers will love this, and do what they can to help it to succeed. They wont risk their businesses over it though. So if the consoles release, and PS4 without exclusives is still selling 2 to 1 or better over 720, the publishers will cave. If people don't care, and 720 has equal to or better sales, then this is the future.
I think one of the things people forget when looking at Steam and the PC is that the average PC gamer is older, with a job, and a credit card. B&M retail is vital for younger people without jobs and a credit card.
Tragicomedy
Member
Come embrace your Steam overlords. If these rumors are true, there is zero reason to choose a console over a PC/Steambox.
Version 3.0
Member
You are mistaken. Go to eBay, there are hundreds or thousands of used PC games for sale.
I already showed evidence that Windows 8 almost already has 10% of the Steam community and still rising fast.
I completely realize this and if you'd like to continue this conversation leave me a PM otherwise I do not want to derail this thread.
So if its viable and Sony does it as well we could count with one hand the WiiU multiplats if any...
Nealand Liquor
Member
And I'm surprised at all the people outright believing it when everything about it equals brand suicide. I don't believe MS would work as hard as they have to create a popular brand just to take it out back and put a bullet between its eyes. There is so much risk with this move and very little reward.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
The biggest reason to go Xbox 360 was the better online, but sony seems perfectly willing to blatantly copy every last element of Xbox Live, but couldn't because of hardware specifications (specifically the amount they set aside for OS purposes).
Without the Xbox Live advantage, who would choose Xbox with no used games and an online subscription price over a Playstation with neither of those drawbacks? Unless of course Playstation decides to follow suit.
-yes
-If handled incorrectly, yes
-Depends. Like stated before, it effects people who only buy the occational cheap game months after release as a treat or a bonus.
-Most publishers would side with it. However, most publishers are smart enough to see a bad deal coming, so if it's handled wrong initially, there would probably be a stark lack of exclusives going that way.
Giving publishers the option (IE not requiring them to block used game sales) could be an interesting alternative.
Vane_MagicCity
Banned
If Sony and Microsoft do this, I would rather have no multiplats and the WiiU than either the PS4 or the 720.
Orbis is anti used games too?
There's this, which a Gaffer just pointed out.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=498308
Don't know if it means anything yet.
out0v0rder
Member
i just want you all to know that it is us gamers who have all the power.
use your power how you see fit.
use your power how you see fit.
Do we know this for sure?
Version 3.0
Member
Gamestop is the #1 new game retailer in the United States. They're neck-and-neck with Wal-mart for that title, with each representing ~25% of the market.
Duxxy3
Member
Good way to break it down.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
Care spelling out your meaning for me? I don't see how Battlefield 4 indicates that Orbis won't allow used games.
BF4 is always online.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
How does this apply to used games?
Version 3.0
Member
Not quite the same thing. After all, you can buy the other region's box to play the game. But don't get me wrong: region locking is stupid. It is not, however, as stupid or infuriating as this.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I hope not. I've made money on eBay by selling used games. It's helped me purchase new games.
I won't be getting a 720 as they'll charge for online, but if used games are locked out on the PS4, then bah.
It doesn't specify the platform it could just be talking about the PC version.
Look at the thread title.
DeaconKnowledge
Member
okay, what does that have to do with used games? One doesn't necessarily link to the other.
Heh, yeah I have a feeling that this will cause some damage somehow.
velociraptor
Junior Member
I lolled. Perfect response!
The other thing for certain, consumers see no benefit.
Beerman462
Member
So how many people are mad not because they can't buy used games, but because they can't sell their $60 games for $30 2 mins after they buy it?
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
The only way for microsoft to spin this into something not devastating is for them to say "but you guys like steam". That means emulating the best parts of steam too, which should include activation on multiple pieces of hardware. Since the console's always online anyway they can still limit account sharing pretty damn effectively.
I really do think they have incentive to at least give consumers that much. Microsoft isn't that foolish to piss off consumers even more for something so little.
How do consumers see no benefit if EDGE is wrong?