H_Prestige
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According to Edge, they aren't.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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According to Edge, they aren't.
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thepotatoman
Unconfirmed Member
Are you sure you're not just assuming that they think it's 100% fact when in reality they just don't want to begin every sentence by stating the obvious and saying "if this is true"?
I said I could back it up and yes I could if I wanted to but I'm not going to I have better things to do like eat dinner.
I'm sure microsoft can't wait to start banning consoles from playing any game.
Uno Venova
Banned
hope Nealand can come through.
for some reason, a few can't grasp many putting a lot of stock in a respected site being very confident about a rumor, that's also got backings from legit insiders here.
Knux-Future
Banned
Are second had sales really killing anything tho?
I just think it's pretty dumb to punish your customers to get back at Gamestop.
I get the principle but this kills borrowing games between friends, renting games, and selling off games you no longer play/need.
Things that have existed waaay before Gamestops.
The positive isn't good enough IMO. It's not really a positive to me more or less idealistic thinking. It won't save developers, it will only make it so they have to take less chances because people won't be able to take chances on games via renting them or borrowing them instead only the "sure things" will be day 1 and the niche games or new IPs will suffer for this.
I could be wrong of course but it just don't see this as a good thing
I just think it's pretty dumb to punish your customers to get back at Gamestop.
I get the principle but this kills borrowing games between friends, renting games, and selling off games you no longer play/need.
Things that have existed waaay before Gamestops.
The positive isn't good enough IMO. It's not really a positive to me more or less idealistic thinking. It won't save developers, it will only make it so they have to take less chances because people won't be able to take chances on games via renting them or borrowing them instead only the "sure things" will be day 1 and the niche games or new IPs will suffer for this.
I could be wrong of course but it just don't see this as a good thing
thehypocrite
Member
I think this won't hurt them in USA, but it would make them a non-factor in Japan (They never were) and it will harm their prospects in Europe.
(Referring to the online always/no used games)
(Referring to the online always/no used games)
derExperte
Member
On the other hand it generates those first-hand sales insofar that I know a few people that wouldn't have bought nearly as many games for full price if they knew they couldn't sell them. Sure, here on GAF a lot of people apparently have so much cash or are so dedicated to this hobby that they don't care one bit about the monetary aspect but trust me, it will influence the buying habits if prices stay the same.
A few can't grasp that no matter how legit the backers and the site is without confirmation or some kind of evidence it's still a rumor.
For some reason it seems you want this to be true no matter what? Aren't you more concerned about the evidence and truth?
If games are downloadable in a steam like fashion, it's awesome news for Brazil. It means a massive reduction in price (~50%), because unlike discs, they are not imported goods (wich are taxed like hell).
But ofc, no second hand sucks, and always on reeeally sucks. Paying for live too...
But ofc, no second hand sucks, and always on reeeally sucks. Paying for live too...
But unlike the rest of their report, they did not confirm any inside source on Sony's plans. Meanwhile rumors of anti-used games technology have been around for more than a year for both Sony and Microsoft.
Uno Venova
Banned
Nothing is confirmed...until it's confirmed. What's your point.
Comandr
Member
Because I used to work for gamestop, and I know how much they pay for games and I know how much they make on them. That's why they force their employees to whore themselves silly to sell used games, dignity be damned. That's how they make virtually all of their money. And it's a simple fact.
Let's say you have a $60 game. You buy it new. $10 goes to the developer, $20 goes to the publisher, and the retailer gobbles up the rest. Now you beat the game in 6 hours, and you take it back. Gamestop, will turn around and resell that game for $55 now.
Here's where dude B comes in. He sees that shiny like-new copy of Versus XIII on the shelf for $55. Hot dog, its his lucky day. This brand new game is available preowned for less than the new price, and its in great condition, and it has a guarantee. So given the various incentives, he goes ahead and purchases the used one. Now Gamestop pockets all $55, and none of that money goes to the developers or publishers, because GS has already paid them for the one copy. Now because they have a steady stream of used copies coming in, they don't need to order any more new ones to keep up with the demand, because people just keep buying them used. That's why Gamestop rarely orders more games than they have pre-ordered lately. Keep your new count low, and your used count high.
So now, a week later, we bought 10 copies of VXIII from the publisher, and we turned around and sold those 10 copies 3 times each, making more and more money each time.
Resident Evil: Operation Racoon City was a huge example of this. Had a very low initial stock, barely more than the pre-orders, but it came back rapidly, and we went through used copies like gang busters. Which is great. I don't want anyone encouraging Capcom to make more crap like that.
And I'm not saying buying new is for everyone. Some people simply can't afford it. I get it. Gaming is a VERY expensive habit; and I'm all for getting as many games in to as many peoples' hands as possible. But I don't think this is the method.
Now if publishers would slash game prices and release them digitally-- since they don't have to pay for physical media or shipping-- Different story. I think we'd see a lot more advocates. But the fact of the matter is, people are accustomed to paying $60 for a new game.
That is my point... no argument from majority is going to change that.
H_Prestige
Banned
This is 100% false. I've only seen one rumor for Sony, and it wasn't even suggesting blocking used games, just having to pay a small registration fee or something for second hand games. That was a long time back, too, haven't seen anything of the sort since.
Ollie Pooch
In a perfect world, we'd all be homersexual
A decision like this would steer me well away from the next XBox (though I was heading in that direction anyway - paying for online access and the scammy MS 'points' system are just more factors to consider).
One thing I've appreciated recently was Nintendo's decision to allow any hard drive for storage. I hope to see a swing this way next gen, though I'm not hopeful. MS thrive on selling overpriced proprietary accessories.
One thing I've appreciated recently was Nintendo's decision to allow any hard drive for storage. I hope to see a swing this way next gen, though I'm not hopeful. MS thrive on selling overpriced proprietary accessories.
Uno Venova
Banned
Who wants to change the logic that something unconfirmed is confirmed?
They were both a long time back, and I don't see the difference between paying a fee and blocking used games. They did not confirm what the fee was, only that you could only play a 'trial' version of the game without paying extra.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
You just made an argument for why used games are important...
MasterSheen
Member
Microsoft cannot be foolish enough to make this happen.
statham
Member
learn to ignore upJTboogie. even when he questions you, just ignore it. in fact read over his posts.
partyphone
Banned
You can't assume that every used game sale is a lost new game sale. The same way you can't assume that every pirated copy of a game is a lost sale.
How many $55 near-launch used games does gamestop sell? They don't release sales numbers, right? That's the only thing that's going to almost directly hurt new game sales. But without data it's really hard to say it's a cancer on the industry.
How many $55 near-launch used games does gamestop sell? They don't release sales numbers, right? That's the only thing that's going to almost directly hurt new game sales. But without data it's really hard to say it's a cancer on the industry.
I appreciate the post, but you're not telling me why used games are destroying the industry. This sounds like a negligible hit on the publisher's profits, and it's debatable that they deserve the sales anyway.
There are other ways to combat used sales. Lock online play with codes, for example. Entice gamers to buy their games new. There's no reason to kill an entire segment of the market. It's like using a nuclear bomb on a nest of rats.
Your console owns you, it will be in the new TOS.
It has nothing to do with what belongs to what. If I pay for something, I get to decide when I want to use it. I also get to determine if being unable to use it when I want to is what I consider to be acceptable. There's nothing wrong with wanting something to be reliable, and if it isn't, to desire something that is.
The only thing about this that scares me is that Sony will see MS do this and follow suit. If they both do it then we're fucked. I have a Wii U but there isn't a chance it is lasting 5-8 years.
On the other hand Sony could see this as an opportunity and not include anything like the restrictions MS may or may not include. If Sony were to do that then I would bet that they would have pretty much the only console worth considering when all three are on the market and they would dominate next gen.
Hopefully if MS go along with this then Sony go with the latter rather than following suit.
On the other hand Sony could see this as an opportunity and not include anything like the restrictions MS may or may not include. If Sony were to do that then I would bet that they would have pretty much the only console worth considering when all three are on the market and they would dominate next gen.
Hopefully if MS go along with this then Sony go with the latter rather than following suit.
Knux-Future
Banned
i think I'm more pissed that this will kill rentals more than anything.
If this system still allows that and borrowing between friends, then I'll be able to deal.
it won't so it can fuck off.
Unless Rentals and sharing between friends is cancer too.
If this system still allows that and borrowing between friends, then I'll be able to deal.
it won't so it can fuck off.
Unless Rentals and sharing between friends is cancer too.
Knux-Future
Banned
except if Sony goes against it, they will more than likely get fucked over by pubs.
Not to mention when I am reading a book on kindle and I am interrupted I don't lose a chapter of progress.
Always online sucks. Period.
But Nintendo aren't doing it either so it would just leave Microsoft pissing in the wind on their own.
You will play your games on your console and like it!
statham
Member
the heavy hitting games for next gen aren't hitting wiiU... talking about 3rd parties.
Knux-Future
Banned
Nintendo is already fucked by 3rd parties as it is
Blood Diamonds
Banned
Wow, what if Xbox dies this coming gen holy shit.
A Twisty Fluken
Member
i see a lot of focus on gamestop "hurting" new game sales by turning around and selling used games for $55. but there is a third party in this equation, the person who wants to get rid of the game (possibly an unbelievably shitty one) they just shelled out $60 for. these EVIL USED GAMES were once wholesome uncorrupted new games.
"OMG THINK OF THE DEVELOPERZ" is good and all, but what that means in practice is that you have absolutely no recourse when you buy one of the countless shitty games released every week.
"OMG THINK OF THE DEVELOPERZ" is good and all, but what that means in practice is that you have absolutely no recourse when you buy one of the countless shitty games released every week.
Then gamers should just fuck over the pubs.
We don't know that at all.
Even so, lets say they don't. That would give Sony Japan and Europe which are bigger markets than the US. Publishers can't afford to go MS exclusive for everything if they only have the NA market and they may not even have that if they do this.
Just watched the latest game scoop over at IGN.
Interesting talk with some good arguments back and forth.
I'm not so certain this won't happen anymore. Really sad.
I just know there is another way than just alienating everyone without a constant hookup to the internet. Would mean an incredible pressure on all internet providers to not screw up, or they'll have a gamers riot on their hands.
Interesting talk with some good arguments back and forth.
I'm not so certain this won't happen anymore. Really sad.
I just know there is another way than just alienating everyone without a constant hookup to the internet. Would mean an incredible pressure on all internet providers to not screw up, or they'll have a gamers riot on their hands.
Nealand Liquor
Member
There have been more than a few people itt that have posted EDGE wouldn't report this if it were untrue. By all means review the past 80 pages to view those posts
SolarPowered
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They can try, but let's see how long they can keep selling games on a single next gen console that retail may very well not want to stock. This will be even uglier than everything that went down last generation with the Wii. At least one of the giants(EA, Acti, Ubi, etc.) could easily disappear if they want to play hardball with Sony. I can see the next Xbox being stillborn compared to the Wii U's debut in Europe.
That is interesting, if Sony doesn't do this with the PS4 and since Nintendo is not doing this with Wii U I wonder if devs would do everything to make the 720 look good or support all 3 systems, if it's WiiU/PS4 vs Xbox 720 in this way it would be interesting to see what happens to all 3.
That's just it. We're never the ones to do anything. It's sad to say but we as gamers always end up bending over in the end. I hate that about this industry.
We say "hey EA, this is bad what you're doing" or "hey Activision i don't like what you're doing to this franchise"... in the end, we still buy their games. And that's all the sign they need to keep doing it.
I think that if Sony is committed to playing the long game, they can look at the PS3's history and see just how quickly pubs come around when you've got the installed base--which they will in spades off word of mouth alone, never mind the favorable treatment they'll get from Gamestop (who they can also extract money from behind the scenes in all sorts of fun ways, especially since they haven't been particularly shy about hopping on Project $10.)
I'm not sure Sony management as a whole has this kind of foresight or the confidence to stick their necks out.
Not all the time. Just look at DmC. But then when the consumers decide to vote with their wallet the "game press" gets mad.
SolarPowered
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Didn't some website just blame GAF for shitty sales of a game? DMC was it? We got pull yo!