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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
- Thread starter Hanmik
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Confidence Man
Member
Are you counting on backward compatibility forever? The only reason it works for Steam is because it's on PC, you have access to them for the forseeable future regardless of what hardware you have.
I would never buy a game if I wasn't sure whether it would become useless when the hardware is outdated.
Knux-Future
Banned
Sony litterally can't afford that tho.
They lose even a few years of Madden, COD, FIFA to Microsoft and they might be screwed.
That's why I hope this is false, Microsoft has people by the balls and thus can do almost anything. They got dudes paying extra to play online and to use apps and shit.
We may not take that but Joe Gamer will to play his COD with his bros.
and thus Sony will have to either lose a large chunk of the market or do the same to prevent that.
They can't afford to only sell to enthusiasts. They aren't Nintendo, who can sell systems just with their first party stuff.
They lose even a few years of Madden, COD, FIFA to Microsoft and they might be screwed.
That's why I hope this is false, Microsoft has people by the balls and thus can do almost anything. They got dudes paying extra to play online and to use apps and shit.
We may not take that but Joe Gamer will to play his COD with his bros.
and thus Sony will have to either lose a large chunk of the market or do the same to prevent that.
They can't afford to only sell to enthusiasts. They aren't Nintendo, who can sell systems just with their first party stuff.
RadarScope1
Member
This all makes sense to me. Here's hoping that if this is true, it helps lead to lower prices at least for some games.
Knux-Future
Banned
Prices won't drop tho.
ahahahahaha
soulassssns
Banned
Doesn't really matter to me but the amount of games I buy wont increase either.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Yeah prices are not going to drop with the lack of competition caused by no used sales. Hell the only reason they usually drop is because publishers know if they don't people will just buy used. Just making that up but I bet I'm right! lol
I honestly can't help but hope they are shooting themselves in the foot with this. I have never personally liked how Microsoft treats their customers and really dislike the business practices they seem to be pushing for. Plus the fact that they are the one company in the world propping up the PC business but treat PC gaming like a leprous cousin.
I honestly can't help but hope they are shooting themselves in the foot with this. I have never personally liked how Microsoft treats their customers and really dislike the business practices they seem to be pushing for. Plus the fact that they are the one company in the world propping up the PC business but treat PC gaming like a leprous cousin.
No way. Publishers aren't going to lose a million sales just to stick it to Sony.
Callibretto
Member
if Sony did it, it may follow the online pass system they have, I thought the reason publishers is against used game sales is because they got nothing from the used sales, if they employ something like the online pass system, they still get $10 activation fee so that is something.
Online pass isn't a complete lockdown like the proposed.
Delusibeta
Banned
It's yet another entry scratched off the (depressingly short) "reliable gaming sources" list.
And it also accomplishes most of what this wants to (as in, getting money from used game purchases) without being so actively anti-consumer. I can see Sony sticking with online passes next gen.
If Valve came out with a Steam-based console, you probably wouldn't be seeing such rioting even though Steam is anti-used games. I know there are differences, but we know how Steam works and not this yet.
Let's wait and see. If true, MS could royally mess this up or it might be reasonable and not as far off from how a Steam-box would work, god forbid.
Let's wait and see. If true, MS could royally mess this up or it might be reasonable and not as far off from how a Steam-box would work, god forbid.
Domcorleone
Member
The more and more I think about it I think that MS might be behind this. All these leaks make the console look weaker less core centric and anti consumer. They will reveal and show a console that is just as powerful as PS4 and tons of core games and not anti used. It makes them look even better.
This is going to be an absolute disaster for retro gaming.
Simple scenario, in 2025 a retro gamer of that time wants to play XBox 'Durango' games
* Puts disc in console
* Can't play it due to no further xbox live support for the console
* Can't play all features due to the only games available being second hand
* Can't unlock them with the DLC access code due to no further xbox live for the console
* Goes back to his or her SNES which still works
Simple scenario, in 2025 a retro gamer of that time wants to play XBox 'Durango' games
* Puts disc in console
* Can't play it due to no further xbox live support for the console
* Can't play all features due to the only games available being second hand
* Can't unlock them with the DLC access code due to no further xbox live for the console
* Goes back to his or her SNES which still works
Touche my friends, but look at EA and Activision. It seems we have quite a way to go still.
Yeah, that's what I was thinking. In the last couple months, I've played games across four generations of consoles (Genesis/32x/CD, N64, GameCube, PS3 and Wii). I would very much dislike your scenario.
CadetMahoney
Member
None of those are actually surprising in any way except it being more powerful than PS4. That will be jaw-dropping with lots of butt-hurt all around.
Version 3.0
Member
I certainly hope that Gamestop, Amazon, Best Buy, and any other retailers that have a used business would boycott a console like this.
Hopefully, it do not necessitate XBL GOLD membership. Then that would be beyond stupid.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
How do you lose a million sales on an install base of zero?
Microsoft tsk tsk, you're supposed to be the OPPOSITE of this kind of bullshit. That's the reason I got the first Xbox, it felt like a limitless computer. Now I feel like this new system will be more like a godamn iPod. I'll have to jailbreak it to get functionality and feature that should be FREE. If you can't mod systems next gen like how you couldn't this gen (you could but it sucked compared to original Xbox modding) then y'all LOST ME MICROSOFT.
Bomba
BudokaiMR2
Member
I SINCERELY doubt that they would be as consumer friendly as Steam would be.
I mean if the Steam-Box doesn't change anything you would still be able to install your Steam games on any number of PC systems as well right?
Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that MS would allow you to easily transfer games to a new console you bought? I mean currently you can only have an XBL account activated on a single system correct? Microsoft takes a very draconian stance on issues like this and I don't see anything changing.
What on earth are you expecting? If you are expecting to run XBMC and a bunch of random emus, you're better off buying an Ouya than a PS4 or XboxNext
Nealand Liquor
Member
By 2025 there would be a digital library where you can download all media new and old. I will bet my left nut on it.
I'd imagine the terms won't be too different from the Microsoft Store for Windows 8. Purchases tied to an account/device and up to 5 devices supported.
Its a step in the same direction, not the opposite. Also there's the patent story.
I am saying that if this is true then the only reason I would still get a Durango would be something like that...which is not going to happen.
TheExecutive
Member
I have a hard time believing the always online part. Online verification and authentication maybe... But ALWAYS online? That would be crazy.
I can't tell if you're being intentionally thick or not anymore. C'mon man.
yeah I'm not sure where all these crazy talk of publishers screwing over sony when it comes to big games just because they allow used games come from. They will NOT ignore a good market of gamers just because of that. That's just now how it works.
IF MS goes this route and Sony get's a significant advantage in the market then the games will be there for them, you can bet on it
Why not? There isn't a good market of gamers yet. If 3rd parties throw their weight behind Durango at launch and ignore PS4 then it would cripple PS4 at the starting line and there won't be much to miss out on.
3rd party support is critical for Sony to get a significant advantage in the market in the first place.
Officerrob
Banned
There is a zero percent chance Amazon or Best Buy would boycott
lol it would be the most anti consumer product ever created if it requires a subscription on top of this.
TheExecutive
Member
There is absolutely no reason publishers would do this. They would lose much more money then they would gain.
Colonel Nasty
Member
What market? Neither of these consoles have a single unit sold. The people that will buy a ps4 no matter what are around the same number of vita owners. I.e. not that much. It's not like the could about face if it didn't work.
I veeeery cautiously optimistic. Their digital game DRM on the 360 is really pretty fair I think. Any account on the console it was DLed on can use the DLC, GoD games, or XBLA games, and if you take the content to any another machine, you can use it as long as you sign in. It's more flexible in some ways than Sony's hard 2 machine limit if you were bouncing around between multiple locations. So, not that terrible, really.
For example, I can take a Games on Demand version of Rock Band 3 and a bunch of song DLC on a USB stick to any 360 and access it all, I just need to be signed into my gamertag. Sure, you gotta be signed in to the purchaser's account, but it could be much stricter all things considered.
You can do a license transfer to a new machine every 4 months on a 360 now, where it originally was one year. So, maybe just maybe it might be more manageable than people think.
Indeed, and the same with me. It's already the case where we cant play DLC content from the first xbox, I see no reason for things to improve down the line.
I'm a cynic - I bet that is the case.
I'll take you up on that bet base purely on the fact that it is already impossible to get some games on digital services thanks to licensing nightmares. With more and more cross-media content, the licensing web is only going to get more and more tangled, making it impossible to sell a lot of significant titles due to some shitty limp biscuit song on the OST or the IP owner going bankrupt.
Knux-Future
Banned
I just highly doubt Microsoft is stupid enough to do this without getting something in return...namely exclusives. the big name publishers hate the used game system.
I wouldn't be surprised if they pushed for this...and for that reason I doubt Sony said "fuck off" and if they did, I doubt the publishers would be too happy about that.
It's just really worrying is all.
Like I said, I'd deal with not being able to sell my shit...fine as I can see an argument for why that is bad (a shitty one IMO but a legit one), but stopping rental and sharing is a no.
The thing is that I doubt people have enough will power to boycott...for Microsoft I do but if Sony does this too and then shows off shit I want (with free online still)...I will bah like the sheep I am too. lol.
Shit sucks
How? If they kill the PS4 then people that would have bought a PS4 will have to move to Durango.
Officerrob
Banned
You set yourself up to be disappointed. Whether this rumor is true or false, Microsoft was never going to come out and speak about it because they would be publicly acknowledging they are making a new system.
TheExecutive
Member
There is something called forecasting... In the long run publishers profits would shrink if they allowed the PS4to be choked out.
The retailers that don't will offer it and reap all the sales.
I wonder how palatable this proposition will become to the current Xbox owners who along with many others here, are vehemently against such proposition are informed or rather surprised by MS's announcement XBL GOLD will become like PSN plus where it will be a service based content rather than function based one and the even on SILVER customers would now be able to play online...
Why is that? Are the people that would have bought a PS4 going to buy nothing instead?