Uno Venova
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What's the basis of a third party collusion cutting Sony out of games again?
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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TheExecutive
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And that may fly in the US. I think publishers know better than to eliminate competition in the market.
Colonel Nasty
Member
How so? People that play cod and madden will buy the console that plays cod and madden. They'd lose some customers but would probably gain many more giving their money directly to the publishers. Basically is a bigger piece of the game pie > the number of people that would only buy orbis and never switch to play the games they want. It's closer than you think.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
people not thinking it through before posting about it.
The assumption that Microsoft is doing this at publisher's will. It is hard to imagine them taking such a risky step without having some sort of agreements (in the form of exclusives) in place that makes it worth it.
Amazon is boycotting the 3DS, and that thing's stratospheric.
As for certain franchises: Remember, the NFL and FIFA would likely have to agree to a single-platform future for Madden or FIFA, and likely see used sales as advertising in addition to a revenue stream.
Of course - but that doesn't have much to do with the question I entertained. He asked why Sony would be against this model and I gave him a probable (speculative) answer. Now if we were talking about taking the "next step" then yes - but his question was worded as being anti-lockdown with anti-used and always on.
Just wanted to clarify the reason for the response I gave. I personally am just going to wait in news if any if this is true for MS/Sony.
Uno Venova
Banned
And immediately we go to a collusion of the biggest unnamed third party publishers cutting out a platform they can make money on, and are probably working with already.
This sounds like a huge scoop that EDGE should be up on.
Anticitizen One
Banned
uh no you just redownload it using your account on whatever the platform is then
Not going to happen, Microsoft doesn't give anything that they could charge for.
Except nobody is claiming that this is going to happen. It is a possible scenario, and not the only one.
There is nothing wrong with discussing why Microsoft would want to make a move like this.
True but that is beside the point. How many of these folks would change their tune if XBL silver all of a sudden allowed online play functionality?
Uno Venova
Banned
Not accusing you of saying it will happen for sure, just sounds more like an FX movie than a real scenario. Like "We'll make you an offer you can't refuse" is in there somewhere.
Some of them, very possibly. Other people will stick to PC.
It would depend on where Microsoft decides to screw them over if not for online gaming. With everything you get, they take away something.
This kind of news couldn't stay hidden for too long. It would be a big dispute between Sony and third parties and we would have heard more rumblings. We are definitely missing some part of the story here or something is being exaggerated.
For your plan to work a majority of publishers would have to exclusively support Xbox which is not going to happen.
Publishers are going to first and foremost initially cater to what their home regions.
That means Japanese publishers and most European publishers would not exclusively support Xbox.
Baconsammy
Banned
And neither does Sony until they're forced to just to stay alive/relevant.
Devs/pubs do not want PS4 to die. That's silly. They want them to conform to the no used-games philosophy. Sony will probably hold out until Microsoft starts kicking their ass again and then they'll magically produce that anti-used-game tech they patented to even the field.
TheExecutive
Member
Didn't they sell as much as the 360 this gen?
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
No. Not the majority. One would be enough. Somebody like EA has chopped off support when they don't get their own way in the past. Just look at the Dreamcast and the EA Sports debacle.
Baconsammy
Banned
Marketshare and mindshare. Sony lost America. Completely lost it. And saw huge chunks of Europe fall to Microsoft. Tying isn't a win. It's not a morale victory. It's a huge loss. Their goal should be to win back what they lost.
Even more recent history, look at what they did to Nintendo when they didnt get their way.
It took EA (in large part) to cripple Dreamcast. It took Square (in large part) to cripple Saturn. Activision alone is capable of guiding the course of the industry, IMO. And we all know they don't give two shits about the consumer.
BTW, I don't actually want this. I just kinda find it entertaining in the same way that the mobile ecosystem wars are entertaining.
BudokaiMR2
Member
Ah I didn't realize that they had shortened it to 4 months. I just remember having a problem doing exactly that when they sent me a refurbished console after my 2nd RRoD.
Can't remember the details anymore but I do remember several phone calls to their horrible customer service arguing with people.
And yeah I realized that if you take the content physically with you it can be used by signing in.
I just have a feeling that always online will mean that they will also be trying to tie content to a single console. Complete speculation on my end but there aren't many other legitimate reasons to make it always online besides stricter DRM.
Again it is possible that they will take a lenient stance but this news(if true) doesn't bode well IMO....
I mean no used games also means you would not be able to take a game to a friend's house to play. Unless they do allow you to sign in on another console and play it. I guess we can just hope.
It was a pain in the butt originally, but you can actually do it from the xbox you're on to transfer the license to that xbox. You just gotta be signed into your account and it's under settings I believe. Just be careful because it's almost too easy to do without realizing, as the confirmation screens are really vague. I accidentally re-licensed everything to the same xbox it was already licensed to.
Doug Heffernan
Member
Ugh I don't like where this industry is headed.
TimeEffect
Member
What about hacktivists? If people reacted to Sony taking away Linux, couldnt they be a constant problem?
Would some publishers go PS4 exclusive to support the anti used movement? Surely the backlash would cause some problems, I cant believe we'd all be so complacent and hold out if big games will go Xbox Exclusive.
How solid is this rumour anyway? Kinda awful to think MS truly is some evip corporation hell bent on this and Sony is some fighter for justice. Why wouldnt Sony fold as easily?
Would some publishers go PS4 exclusive to support the anti used movement? Surely the backlash would cause some problems, I cant believe we'd all be so complacent and hold out if big games will go Xbox Exclusive.
How solid is this rumour anyway? Kinda awful to think MS truly is some evip corporation hell bent on this and Sony is some fighter for justice. Why wouldnt Sony fold as easily?
Even if he looked you in the eyes?
BladeoftheImmortal
Member
do you not see the irony here?
Haint
Member
The basis is common sense. Either Sony and MS will both adopt an anti-used system or MS is being incentivized by publishers to go solo. There is no logical reason for them to go forward with such a polarizing system (in which the risk is enormous) unless it's being made worth their while. Their own first party output doesn't even come close to making this a worthwhile gamble. The only semi-plausible alternative is that they believe the console industry will either be dead or unrecognizable in a couple years and this is some sort of Hail Mary to either have their cake and eat it too, or just say fuck you nerds we only wanted our Windows set top box from the very beginning.
ultrazilla
Gold Member
Absolutely no sale if true. I've boycotted Blizzard because of
this and it won't change for anyone else.
It's a terrible idea and it is not consumer friendly at all.
People embracing this always on Internet to play your games or
systems, I really hope this bites you in the ass if it comes true.
Durango launch. Cannot connect. Server overload. Unable to register
game. Unable to play game.
People seriously want that? Because it can and has happened(Diablo 3).
this and it won't change for anyone else.
It's a terrible idea and it is not consumer friendly at all.
People embracing this always on Internet to play your games or
systems, I really hope this bites you in the ass if it comes true.
Durango launch. Cannot connect. Server overload. Unable to register
game. Unable to play game.
People seriously want that? Because it can and has happened(Diablo 3).
Singularity42
Member
Smells like bullshit
But... If true it is suicide and the backlash would be pretty apparent. If both companies move in this direction then I could foresee a massive gaming crash that would dwarf the early 80s crash. Always online and anti used are giant slaps in the face to a would be consumer and it would totally turn me off to a product! Sure the fanboys will follow like lemmings but budget conscious consumers would stay far far away from a product like that. If this happens it's more of the console maker kowtowing to the mega publishers like EA, ubi, and the rest. It's insulting that they would even consider it.
But... If true it is suicide and the backlash would be pretty apparent. If both companies move in this direction then I could foresee a massive gaming crash that would dwarf the early 80s crash. Always online and anti used are giant slaps in the face to a would be consumer and it would totally turn me off to a product! Sure the fanboys will follow like lemmings but budget conscious consumers would stay far far away from a product like that. If this happens it's more of the console maker kowtowing to the mega publishers like EA, ubi, and the rest. It's insulting that they would even consider it.
I have a feeling it'll happen with the new Sim City and it's taking all my will power not to preorder that game.
Singularity42
Member
It already has, just from this site and other gaming sites it's been nothing but negativity from gamers when the PS4 rumors and now the MS rumors surfaced. That should be proof enough to both companies that it's a horrible idea
I don't think this could ever work for MS. Completely blocked used/borrowed/shared physical copies at the $59.99 price. That's nonsense, assuming Sony is still charging $59.99 for a new game and doesn't block it.
How I think this could work:
$59.99 still gets you the game and you can play it anywhere. The "Play Anywhere" version. Another physical version for $29.99, this is the "Live Gold Version". It's synced to your Live Gold account and you must be signed in to play. An offline mode would work like Steam. You could also bring your Live account to a buddies house with a usb stick and play it that way. At the same time digital-only versions would be even less. Say $19.99, same thing as the "Live version" but you would have to bring your hard drive to a buddies house if you wanted to play. Giving consumers 50% off at launch would be a great incentive to sacrifice the trade-in value.
The need to prove there is value ($) in Live/digital versions. Ween the people off the old $59.99 "Play Anywhere" versions. If something like this happens I'm all for it. Used games are bad for the developers and physical copies are a waste of materials and resources.
How I think this could work:
$59.99 still gets you the game and you can play it anywhere. The "Play Anywhere" version. Another physical version for $29.99, this is the "Live Gold Version". It's synced to your Live Gold account and you must be signed in to play. An offline mode would work like Steam. You could also bring your Live account to a buddies house with a usb stick and play it that way. At the same time digital-only versions would be even less. Say $19.99, same thing as the "Live version" but you would have to bring your hard drive to a buddies house if you wanted to play. Giving consumers 50% off at launch would be a great incentive to sacrifice the trade-in value.
The need to prove there is value ($) in Live/digital versions. Ween the people off the old $59.99 "Play Anywhere" versions. If something like this happens I'm all for it. Used games are bad for the developers and physical copies are a waste of materials and resources.
Discotheque
Banned
Honestly I just think everyone should invest in pc gaming if they can. Most of the time the multiplatform games are superior and you will end up saving a lot more money on new titles
TheExecutive
Member
If you don't go crazy on hardware you actually save money going PC in the long run.
Singularity42
Member
Only thing that makes these practices ok on PC is simply the prices of games are cheap. Sure you could spend $50 or 60 on a new release. Or you can be an educated consumer and wait 3-12 months and get that same game from $5 to $30 on sale via steam, amazon, etc
killdatninja
Banned
I had a good laugh. Alright Tim Langdell, you had your fun come on out. No one likes a troll Tim.
electricpirate
Member
Here here! Just waiting on the last piece before I rejoin the world of PC gaming.
toddhunter
Member
I'll be done when Australian's don't have to pay double. Until then I'll be shopping around/importing physical media.
There is no way they will not let you do this. Microsoft is not that stupid. They have a multiple account system already in place. This is a modern multimedia device that lives in the living room for the family. You have to have multiple accounts. This isn't even a question.
I can already tell the next couple weeks are going to be full of people yelling that the sky is falling. Podcasts are going to be comprised of people not even looking at current "always on" models that they use every day. In the end everyone will look really dumb when we find out exactly what this is. If it's complete bullshit or perfectly reasonable DRM we are already used to.
That's why I have accounts in multiple regions. Regional pricing is evil.