harrypmgaga
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No, dude was spouting crap. You have to format the game and trophies work fine on another Vita.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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No, dude was spouting crap. You have to format the game and trophies work fine on another Vita.
That's what happened the last time when my internet was on the blink and I couldn't play my games on Steam.
MikeE21286
Member
oh boy, this could be bad.....
1. Will consumers flock to the ps4 and make publishers develop for it?
Or
2. Will developers push the demand to the 360 by making exclusive games for it as a way to skip out on the second hand market?
In my mind number 1 seems more likely...
1. Will consumers flock to the ps4 and make publishers develop for it?
Or
2. Will developers push the demand to the 360 by making exclusive games for it as a way to skip out on the second hand market?
In my mind number 1 seems more likely...
If this is true, what an opportunity Sony has here. If they market the PS4 as a true, more powerful gaming console with free online, etc., this could be a whole new level of PS2-like dominance for Sony.
Now it makes sense to me why they are going first. They know the next Xbox's specs and what it is, and they do not fear.
Now it makes sense to me why they are going first. They know the next Xbox's specs and what it is, and they do not fear.
Vinterbird
Member
If MS implements a always on 3G chip similiar to what Amazon did with their Kindle, then yes. Always Online in the sense that the machine will always have a chance to connect to a server and check for licenses on the console and the account.
It's weird because the PC ecosystem does all this?
Same here. However, there are people who have unreliable internet, people who just don't want to create an account to do stuff online and there are people who finance gaming by selling old games and just paying a fraction of the price of the new game.
To me, this all looks like a bit of a gamble. Not a single publisher, platform holder or anyone has ever shown any realy numbers that would suggest that second hand sales cut into new game sales. Not a single one of them. They've made claims left and right but there has never been any proof at all.
Even if all of this is true people will eventually acquiesce and convince themselves it's ok the same way they convinced themselves miscrosoft was justified in locking out multiplayer games with a mandatory subscription. I imagine people were initially furious about that bullshit, but now most people accept it. People are weak.
WAR recon zero
Banned
Day one 2018
On console I'm open for trade and resells. If not, then i'm out
On console I'm open for trade and resells. If not, then i'm out
maverick40
Junior Member
There are no words if true. BOMBA
harrypmgaga
Member
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
I just can’t see the console having to be online constantly to function to be true. It just can’t be. We have to be missing something, because if it’s true Microsoft is kinda screwed. Like seriously.
And I really hope people aren’t shocked when Sony inevitably jumps on the no second-hand games bandwagon. If Microsoft do it Sony will do it...best to just accept it now if the rumour is true.
And I really hope people aren’t shocked when Sony inevitably jumps on the no second-hand games bandwagon. If Microsoft do it Sony will do it...best to just accept it now if the rumour is true.
this would be the platform where I paid 24.99 for Sonic allstars racing months after I bought it for 27 on ps3? where borderlands 2 and far cry 3 are still 49.99 while the disc versions float around 25-30? cmon now I like steam but dont try to act like steam sales are the same as the day to day reality of buying a game on steam
If there's an outage in your area well too bad! You can't play any of your xbox 720 games. Go sit in the corner til you have internet you monster.
Ever had an internet outage?
I don't buy used games but I like selling games I no longer want.
michaelius
Banned
That's bullshit - once you delete save games of previous owner you get trophies normally.
Auto_aim1
MeisaMcCaffrey
This was first reported on April 2012 as well, so I dunno, could be real - http://www.vg247.com/2012/04/02/xbox-720-detailed-blu-ray-inside-always-on-netcon-required/
Also think of all the people both in the US and throughout the world that have crappy internet that disconnects from their system/computer regularly. Hell, even I occasionally get signed out of XBLA randomly sometimes when playing on my 360.
Allan Holdsworth
Member
Either Microsoft made a deal with publishers to get exclusive games, or they know Sony will do the same (maybe even worked it out together)
If true, of course.
If true, of course.
harrypmgaga
Member
criesofthepast
Member
Refuse to believe a company would be so suicidal to do something like this.
I would hope that the people at Sony would be clever enough to see that not doing it unlike their competitor would a huge perk they could sell to their consumers.
I think that people will flick to the ps4 and everyone is going to make games for ps4, even though they hate second hand games, they want sales
Tricky I Shadow
Banned
Yeah. Im calling bullshit.
Revolution - you can't escape it
zomgbbqftw
Banned
It all sort of lines up if you squint and look at it from a funny angle. The problem is that I think Ballmer is stupid enough to force something like this through and just stick it in the EULA.
Why have Kinect running all the time and set aside resources for it to run all the time if they are not going to use it all the time, even when you are playing a game that doesn't use Kinect, or watching something on Netflix or a Blu-ray. It's the setting aside of 3GB that worries me, and in tandem with the possibility of always on internet, it's heading down a bad road. Maybe I'm just being paranoid though.
Rubbish King
The gift that keeps on giving
NOPE.
Frogs in a pot with the temperature slowing increasing.
Captain Tuttle
Member
This is true. For some reason the fact that Steam have sales once or twice a year somehow blinds people to their ridiculous prices the rest of the time (added to that is the fact that Amazon, GMG, etc. seem to offer superior sales, which isnt really here or there I suppose)
Sapphire Dreams
Member
I think I may need to skip next generation consoles, the hype balloon didn't burst in excitement but rather inflated in disappointment.
So it might be PC and Wii U for next gen.
So it might be PC and Wii U for next gen.
grimshawish
Banned
Pay for the multiplayer seperately and by god you'll never have to buy a game again.
On a serious matter. Your statement is true of many, not by choice - but the nature of life. If people are forced to buy retail only games, only one thing will happen. Prices will go up as retailers and publishers look to extract the same total revenue from a smaller number of buyers.
Within this market the bigger the licence; the better you are. No other company can replicate FIFA or Iron Man. No one. So customers buying that stuff buy that stuff; the only competitor? The second hand market. Remove it - those prices will rise as there is less competition.
With this. Peoples money is taken up on a select number of games, instead of having a wide spread influence on the industry. The final outcome of this is very simple. Publishers will compete on licenced games and not on their home grown brands.
Now sure. COD is a big fucking licence owned and water tight! Just like Mario is. However. Those games create their own value; something like FIFA has value that can't be replicated - starting with player names; clubs and tradmarks. Gameplay only goes on top.
Welcome to the future kids!
- Less choice
- Less developers
- Less games
- Less creativity
- Quality will drop over time
- Higher Prices
The people who stand to gain the most from this is actually one company. EA.
FIFA will rise in price if there is no second hand market, its not even 'evil'; EA will have to do it just to compete for the licence.
Say Activison call up all the clubs and knowing they'll make the price £70 compared to EA's £50; are able to bid a higher amount for their trademarks. Activision now has the rights and licences. In order to compete with Activision; EA have to bid more, in order to do so they need to match that £70 price tag.
Welcome to the future. Either this crashes Xbox or it crashes the industry.
Woot woot?
EdibleExplosives
Member
Surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to make a console that needs to constantly be online. This will make my decision on which console to get extremely fucking easy if true.
Velcro Fly
Member
well we'd all have to have our brains ripped out too if we buy this shit.
Glass Rebel
Member
The only thing this will do is concentrate sales on the most AAA(AAA...) of games while everything else that can't compete in marketing or production values (lol) will be moved to digital and other platforms. If you thought B/C-games were coming back, this would be the final nail in their coffin.
Well, for Physical copies, technically it already is. Its a blurry line cause its a licence, but EULAs arent as legal here in the EU as they are in the USA. So generally we're protected from EULAs in which we sign of our right to redistribute. Since physical copies already ensure that only one person at any time can own a copy, there is no need for an additional law. It is required for DD but it will soon be applied there too.
See also:
http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=20f4e2c7-3ab1-41e9-a4cb-023bcb1e931e
I'm not saying MS and Sony cant try this, but I am saying that one could do a successful lawsuit to force them to allow it.
SpoonyBard
Banned
I'd love to see them try. Seriously MS, bring it on.