Kageshinzo
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Remember Diablo 3? Yeah.
I agree with you HylianTom. Xbox720 with Call of Duty at launch will sell tons. The problem will be when people realize they can not buy second hand games or they can't play because they lose the connection.
For a lot of people the Xbox is their CoD machine, they will buy it if their friends do.
The difference is that there's competition on PC for the cheapest games, and even the big dog, Steam, does amazing deals that mitigate the benefits of trading-in games. I'm not saying we shouldn't have the right to re-sell stuff, but the climate on PC is a lot better than a locked down console that bans used sales.
While I can absolutely understand the hate towards no used games policy I actually like the steam approach.
Having a digital easy to access libary but still competetive pricing of the retail market will bring the standard of pc gaming to consoles with the benefit of pricing competition (like steam codes from amazon etc. And unlike xbox live and psn current praxis), unfortunately that has to come with a used games restriction.
Having a digital easy to access libary but still competetive pricing of the retail market will bring the standard of pc gaming to consoles with the benefit of pricing competition (like steam codes from amazon etc. And unlike xbox live and psn current praxis), unfortunately that has to come with a used games restriction.
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shinobi602
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No way...no fucking way.
Wii U+PS4 only for me if true.
Uh no. Comparing one 39.99 PC game which is mainly played online anyway to a whole console is a huge stretch.
grimshawish
Banned
They won't do BC.
So $50 vs $60 is twice?
On a personal note, barring used games is a suicide, specially if their main competitor Sony doesn't do it.
Games are going to be so expensive to make. Money needs to be recouped somehow.
They could at least charge a little extra on used games so that Microsoft or Sony can gain something from it or at least the developers.
I dont agree in buying used games cause I like to think from both sides of the fence and by doing that I can see how harmful it can be to developers
I dont agree in buying used games cause I like to think from both sides of the fence and by doing that I can see how harmful it can be to developers
shouamabane
Member
This goes along with the recent story about Gamestop closing down stores.
Wow. Big rumour this one.
While the inability to purchase pre-owned games doesn't bother me, the inability to flush my library every now and again with an eBay scourge, does. That's more a practical issue.
The always online thing is more of a principle issue for me. While in reality, my console will probably always be connected to the internet anyway, I don't like the fact that they insist that I have to have it in that state to access the core functionality.
I find it hard to believe that this is a unilateral move on MS's part, due to the wider implications for both the consumer and the retail sector. However, if indeed this is being driven by 3rd party publishers, and MS has gone this route alone, then I'd expect to see more exclusive content find its way to the Xbox, ahead of the Orbis. Things like timed exclusives, DLC, maybe even full exclusivity in some cases.
At the end of the day though, this is all based on a simple rumour which may or may not be rooted in truth and if it is, then it is may not be the whole story. Will just have to wait and see.
While the inability to purchase pre-owned games doesn't bother me, the inability to flush my library every now and again with an eBay scourge, does. That's more a practical issue.
The always online thing is more of a principle issue for me. While in reality, my console will probably always be connected to the internet anyway, I don't like the fact that they insist that I have to have it in that state to access the core functionality.
I find it hard to believe that this is a unilateral move on MS's part, due to the wider implications for both the consumer and the retail sector. However, if indeed this is being driven by 3rd party publishers, and MS has gone this route alone, then I'd expect to see more exclusive content find its way to the Xbox, ahead of the Orbis. Things like timed exclusives, DLC, maybe even full exclusivity in some cases.
At the end of the day though, this is all based on a simple rumour which may or may not be rooted in truth and if it is, then it is may not be the whole story. Will just have to wait and see.
Like that never happens .........
NekoFever
Member
I buy the vast majority of my games new, so the used thing doesn't really bother me. My only concern is that since games don't stay in print for long compared to, say, movies or books, it's going to be hard to find games that bomb or are more than a couple of years old new.
Presumably both next-gen consoles will have all retail games available for purchase digitally, and we know what that means: that game from three years ago that you can probably find used for $10 somewhere? $60, please. The pricing model for digital games on consoles is shit, and I don't expect that to change.
Always online is just ridiculous, though. When I moved recently I was without an Internet connection for over a week while I was waiting to be connected. So much for passing the time by playing a game.
In short, I don't see measures against used games being apocalyptically bad, but I'm not buying this if the PS4 comes out and doesn't do it.
Presumably both next-gen consoles will have all retail games available for purchase digitally, and we know what that means: that game from three years ago that you can probably find used for $10 somewhere? $60, please. The pricing model for digital games on consoles is shit, and I don't expect that to change.
Always online is just ridiculous, though. When I moved recently I was without an Internet connection for over a week while I was waiting to be connected. So much for passing the time by playing a game.
In short, I don't see measures against used games being apocalyptically bad, but I'm not buying this if the PS4 comes out and doesn't do it.
To people thinking Sony will be the savior of your monies, you're really putting your faith into Sony- the biggest proponent of price gauging and proprietary hardware in the electronics world? I used to be a huge Sony fan and in a lot of ways, I still respect them as a company. However, everyone knows they have an obsession with SOMETHING that will make their items more expensive than others. Whether it be memory sticks, proprietary memory cards, or whatever. I wouldn't be surprised if the PS4 was $100 but then you had to buy a separate $500 power plug because the proprietary one that comes with the PS4 has 8 prongs. Don't get me wrong, the other companies price gauge too (Xbox with Xbox Live and Nintendo with plastic "accessories"), but Sony definitely is not exempt from doing it.
Lapidus' Beard
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Not really interested in the next XBox (360 is my least used console to date), but if this is true I won't be getting it at all. Or at least after several price-downs at the end of it's run for some exclusives.
Gemüsepizza
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...and like I already said, the platform where, in order to experience nextgen graphics, you have to buy a PC which costs at least 2x times of what those new consoles will cost.
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Deleted member 1235
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haha internet required and no second hand games?
Good to see microsoft is doing away with the rabble and only selecting clients that are RICH AS FUCK. They should charge triple the price of the nearest competitor and only sell it on jameslist.com
how will this not just be a retardely expensive an inferior version of a steambox?
Good to see microsoft is doing away with the rabble and only selecting clients that are RICH AS FUCK. They should charge triple the price of the nearest competitor and only sell it on jameslist.com
how will this not just be a retardely expensive an inferior version of a steambox?
RanoNL
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In Europe (EU) publishers are not allowed to refrain you from reselling your downloaded games. The Court of Justice of the European Union has ruled that back in July 2012. It doesn't matter if you agreed to an(y sort of) EULA.
Eurogamer article about this.
I'm curious how Microsoft and Sony will solve this in Europe.
Eurogamer article about this.
I'm curious how Microsoft and Sony will solve this in Europe.
The author of the article used it in his title, so I'm not sure how else to take a direct quote. lol.
Anyways, how else would you interpret this as the opening to the article:
The most important thing is the first sentence really.
Smiles and Cries
Member
it this is true I hope Sony does not copy the no second hand game thing... you never know when you'll need the bargain bin... I am addicted to digital download right now but I like my options
With how much accuracy can we take this Info fellow GAFfers?
I mean I can believe the no second-hand games since it's Microsoft we are talking about but the Always Online seems a bit too much because it is a service that can fail from our providers and that is not something they or we can control it.
I mean I can believe the no second-hand games since it's Microsoft we are talking about but the Always Online seems a bit too much because it is a service that can fail from our providers and that is not something they or we can control it.
BigWeather
Member
I'm like you, but...
1. Your gamertag gets lost / corrupted / banned / w/e -- you lose access to all your games.
2. Microsoft goes under (I know, haha, but in 1983 people would laugh at the idea of Commodore and what-not going under) and they don't transition the permissions database -- you lose access to all your games.
Tons of scenarios where people who are always online and don't buy or sell used games can get burned.
I use money from second hand sales to buy newly released games. Without the money from selling my games, I would just buy less games. MS has to understand this.
The part that is referencing the NVidia guy's blog post is hinky. It seems like an amalgamation of previous rumblings.
The part that is referencing the NVidia guy's blog post is hinky. It seems like an amalgamation of previous rumblings.
EdibleExplosives
Member
That's one thing I really, really hope Sony doesn't copy with the PS4. If both consoles require a fee to play online, I might just upgrade my PC instead of buying either.
really hope this is just microsoft being awful and not a near industry wide fix for next gen from microsoft, sony and third parties as some fear :/
anyway everything about the new xbox sounds so unappealing so far. as if paid online (+netflix access) and the ad infested dashboard weren't bad enough, but no used games. gross.
anyway everything about the new xbox sounds so unappealing so far. as if paid online (+netflix access) and the ad infested dashboard weren't bad enough, but no used games. gross.
Kageshinzo
Member
Also, to those people who are saying this online only thing is the same as Steam, it's not. You can play your Steam games offline.
I don't buy used or resell my games, however I live in a major city and my internet connection goes down all the time for various reasons. I recently lost it for a week due to construction in the area. If it's a matter of needing to activate a game on first use, then it's not the end of the world, but if the console needs to literally always be online to function, then I'm simply not interested.
You would only need online to register the game to the system
You will only need GOLD for online gaming + media stuff
BIG difference
Forgive me for my ignorance, but how does one go about selling one's digital games?
You can go online and browse when free. But you'll be subjected to Gold ads on the dashboard for every category.
The only feature you can access is purchasing.
Zen_Arcade
Banned
I don't have a problem with no second hand games because I always buy new. But my internet connection goes out randomly sometimes. If this rumor is true and Sony isn't having the same restrictions with the PS4, then Sony just got my launch day money.
IrishNinja
Member
please let this not be true
worse case scenario: please let sony not follow suit on any of that
worse case scenario: please let sony not follow suit on any of that
Because all other media, which we can resell, is made for free?
I don't know. Didn't Sony limit the number of times you can access your account on a new system?
90TilInfinity
Member
Basically. Also, if MS do it then Sony will too. 100%.
This is the generation that saw the introduction of project $10 and the increasing inclusion of online-based, non-gaming services (video streaming and the like) to consoles. The idea that that new consoles will be highly dependent on greater online connectivity, which leads to things like one-time online activation of retail titles, isn't that big of a leap. It's been happening for years in the PC space, and consoles are nothing if not becoming more like PCs with each new generation.
Give us pc priced software then, in the uk pc games are way cheaper and i guess this is the same most places. If the price of a new game is £15-20 cheaper than it is now then bring it on.
Devilgunman
Member
Don't care about no second hand game. I never sold my game anyway. But always online? Fuck that shit.
If this is true, WE are NOT who they are targeting with the Xbox next. It's your next door neighbor.
ThoughtsOfSpeaking
Banned
I'm a grown man. I left peer pressure in high school.