MikeE21286
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"Your digital library follows you wherever you play with the convenience of your entire game collection always at your fingertips"
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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"Your digital library follows you wherever you play with the convenience of your entire game collection always at your fingertips"
yeah, they'll try to sell the ownership angle. americans love that shit.
Looks like the Next Xbox is poised to follow in the footsteps of such glorious third consoles as the Atari 7800, the Sega Saturn, the Nintendo 64, and the PlayStation 3, though to be fair, Nintendo at least made money on the Nintendo 64 and the PlayStation 3 is doing quite well for a third console, and would've probably broken the curse if the PlayStation 2 wasn't the second best selling system ever (The DS has finally overtaken the PS2!)
In any case, I can't say I'm too happy at any of the three console makers, but if Sony can make sure their digital games can carry on to the PS4, I shall return to them after I got the 360 instead after being the proud owner of a PS1 & PS2.
In any case, I can't say I'm too happy at any of the three console makers, but if Sony can make sure their digital games can carry on to the PS4, I shall return to them after I got the 360 instead after being the proud owner of a PS1 & PS2.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
They'll only sell this as a positive to developers.
They'll completely ignore it when it comes to consumers.
Hmm. Interesting if Sony allowed used games. Right now I feel this whole thing was a mutual agreement between both Sony and MS, but if it goes south would Sony and/or MS back out of the "deal"?
At the end of the day if one has more comsumers but ALLOWS used games what do pubs do? Cant ignore it?
I see this being a big chess/mind game between the 2.
At the end of the day if one has more comsumers but ALLOWS used games what do pubs do? Cant ignore it?
I see this being a big chess/mind game between the 2.
And why would that be?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
In the EDGE article written the same day as this news report, they specifically state that a major difference between the two systems is that consumers will know Orbis is more powerful and allows used games.
Yup, and the US consumers will most likely gobble that shit right up. Man, I freaking pray Sony doesn't follow suite IF MS decides to go this route. Now that will be a much more interesting scenario and how it plays out.
off-topic, but the ds didn't outsell the ps2, and the ps3 was a huge failure for sony, but they did right the ship later in its life at least. the momentum is all behind microsoft now, though.
TheDrowningMan
Member
Nah, they'll definitely spin it. They'll have to, they'll tout it as this great convenience. What they WON'T focus on is the part of said convenience that means discs are essentially coasters and $69.99 is a price you'll be seeing stick around for a lotttttttt longer for most titles.
As for smaller publishers, will they adopt a model as friendly as, say, Apple or - given that it's currently the console benchmark - Nintendo? Or is $40k here to stay (unless they know you're going to sell bajillions, in which case they'll let you off the hook)?
Can Crusher
Banned
If Andy is right and Edge has good info, then this means Sony ain't going full retard.
If MS is doing this alone and Publishers aren't seriously backing them up, meaning games will come to PS4 anyway, then Durango doesn't even stand a chance. Who would opt for that videogame console?
MS is highly underestimating how savvy gamers are.
If MS is doing this alone and Publishers aren't seriously backing them up, meaning games will come to PS4 anyway, then Durango doesn't even stand a chance. Who would opt for that videogame console?
MS is highly underestimating how savvy gamers are.
Manmademan
Member
Total Bullshit. do you even own a console, bro?
TheDrowningMan
Member
If publishers try to shoehorn success out of an ailing console due to the lack of a second hand market, they all lose & we probably reach the point of this:
Exactly. Everything Microsoft has been doing with the Xbox brand in the past two or three years has been in service of trying to get the public to stop thinking of Xbox in terms of "hardcore" video games. I think they'e anticipating sacrificing a lot of customers with their next console, but are hoping to replace them with a much wider, non-gaming crowd. This machine will not be for us. They're making it powerful enough to play games, since they know that there are a lot of people who will still be on board anyway because of their level of investment in their XBL accounts and in Halo and a few other exclusives. But for the most part, this is Microsoft's stab of dominating the living room before Apple can, and video games only tangentially factor into their plans.
I mean, I wasn't going to get the new Xbox anyway, but what a shitty direction this industry is going if this is really true. I hope MS is aware of the consequences.
AlberichMX
Member
If this is true... good bye consoles! I'll stay in my PC. Then I'll buy a new GTX 680 and the oculus rift instead of the next consoles >..>
There are quite a few people on GAF who are actually advocating this bullshit. Also, a lot of gamers are not as savvy as one would think. All MS would need is a 3-6 month COD exclusive and they'd be ok...for short term at least.
-Pyromaniac-
Member
there's 2 other consoles you can buy you know.
Just did.
3GB RAM actually for OS, but he teased that they're doing something interesting with it and won't disclose further.
Devs being encouraged to do 1080p30 or 1080p60 sounding good though.
Seems legit from his style of posting anyways. But now the question is, will Sony prevent used games sales too.
Hah, considering all the backlash they get for various other actions I doubt it'll get them to change at all.
Wow, shit just got real.
Manmademan
Member
edge is implying that they aren't, and since Sony actually sells more consoles outside of the US in the EU and JP where used game protections are stronger, this makes a lot of sense.
If they don't, we all have to repeat that, because it's totally true. Nice post.
Your underestimating the power of PR spin. Always online can easily be spun, used games would be the real test. Im sure they are coming up with ways to do it.
Can Crusher
Banned
Sony is also gunning for the living room market. PS4 will be as competent of a multimedia machine as Durango will if history has any basis.
To me Sony just seems willing to go to greater lengths to protect their core audience. Kaz has spoken about this.
To me Sony just seems willing to go to greater lengths to protect their core audience. Kaz has spoken about this.
H_Prestige
Banned
Shit just got real. 720 = no used games. PS4 = used games.
Looks like MS really wants to keep the third console curse alive. And always online? Christ that's some stupid shit.
If publishers try to shoehorn success out of an ailing console due to the lack of a second hand market, they all lose & we probably reach the point of this:
The funny thing is that even with talk of no used games, very few itt seem to be willing to resort to buying Wii U.
Of course that could change (likely will for me) once Nintendo finally puts out the heavy hitters.
Sort of true though isn't it. And I do feel these low paying, hire the masses style outlets and industries are in many ways more important and greater in number than the more specialist jobs, such as game and online systems developers.
Ballmer should then write a book after the Xbox 720 launch.
"How we bombed our 3rd console."
NPD threads will be hilarious and depressing if this pans out.
Doesn't matter if it's 100% the cause of the closures, but it won't help, and it's easy to use "American jobs" as a way to spin the media to bash Microsoft.
Sony apparently won't be enforcing it, Microsoft will.
Sony needs to take a page from the MS playbook and launch attack ads like this one!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63u-RG-31B0&feature=player_embedded
...er, or maybe not.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63u-RG-31B0&feature=player_embedded
...er, or maybe not.
Manmademan
Member
they are, but their focus is different than microsoft's. Microsoft is interested in installing windows 8 and the metro experience in the living room, and unifying that across all of their platforms.
So I could potentially see microsoft's 3 gig ram requirement going towards as much of a full featured windows experience as possible, enhanced with kinect.
Sony on the other hand wants to sell product, and games. It doesn't have to sell an OS- the OS can be virtually invisible. This is better for gamers, since we'll be looking at a more streamlined experience and the OS can get the hell out of the way.
I'm basing this on Andy saying Edge has "Good information." If Edge is legit, then Sony and Nintendo (who have a strong JP presence) aren't doing the anti-used game thing, and microsoft are. This means one of two things: microsoft is essentially abandoning JP (not a surprise) and microsoft may have squeezed concessions from western publishers to make this possible. might be exclusivity windows, might be exclusive content- but they're definitely giving SOMETHING up if MS is going to go out on a limb this way. The blowback will be SEVERE.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
11 days and we'll find out for PS4 at least. I'm sure if used games weren't playable, then they would mention it at the first reveal on the 20th.
I actually do wonder what'll happen if both Microsoft and Sony go through with it. It does seem that half the cause for success in the console market is from the others screwing up and leaving an opening, and this could well be a disastrously large opening.
And I think hopes of serious price cuts are simply naive. Microsoft has been fairly stingy about XBLA sales relative to Steam, and on the flipside Sony has has sales that rival even Steam with games that have gone to retail (albeit you need Gold to really get that: Rayman for $10 was about what you'd get on Steam in a sale, and Hot Shots Golf 5 COMPLETE for $6 is very much the kind of thing you'd see on Steam or Amazon.)
I mean, I wasn't going to get the new Xbox anyway, but what a shitty direction this industry is going if this is really true. I hope MS is aware of the consequences.
I'd have to say then that this gif was never more fitting.
We can only laugh at the sights that are/were coming until most of humani... err, gaming is doomed.
It's not like I trusted Microsoft anyway but this step would be like a complete change in direction of the console industry. And, well, it's not like it is easy to survive nowadays anyway (vita, wii u to just name the biggest strugglers...)...
Would this ruling not prevent this from happening, at least in the EU?
This is obviously something publishers have been pushing for. It will be interesting to see if these same publishers are able to put their money where their mouths are and only support the locked console. If they only think short term, by publishing to both both consoles, then they are punishing the xbox for catering to their demands.
If it's 2 SKUs it could be 4. Rumored DVR box and all as was previously posted here.
One bombs. One survives. :/
That was sony's approach this gen.
Card slots for cameras to enjoy on your tv, low end linux pc option, blu ray/dvd player, HDMI for high quality audio and video, easy and cheap hard drive to replace at end user discretion, bluetooth support for up to 7 devices, full bc for ps2/ps1 games, internet browser, pseye for motion gaming and video chat for up to 6 people at once.
I think Sony thought their browser was going to be their ace up their sleeve. While ms introduced a lot of apps, sony probably saw the browser as a portal to those same services like netflix, pandora etc,
Of course they also hoped you would be using sony tv's, sony remotes, sony cameras and sony memory cards with it.
It's hard to please everyone.
Elginer
Member
I mean, I wasn't going to get the new Xbox anyway, but what a shitty direction this industry is going if this is really true. I hope MS is aware of the consequences.
I think they will be once sales start going to shit out the gate. Don't get me wrong, I love the hell out of MS's IPs and first party efforts like Alan Wake and Halo but this is really making me reconsider. Hell, I could be happy with a PS4, given they fix the shit analog sticks.
Can Crusher
Banned
How is MS thinking of pulling this shit in Europe and Asia?
That's basically it for them, they are gonna go back to Xbox 1 numbers. At best.
If Sony hits a marketing homerun in North America, next gen is gonna be a wreck for MS.
That's basically it for them, they are gonna go back to Xbox 1 numbers. At best.
If Sony hits a marketing homerun in North America, next gen is gonna be a wreck for MS.
Manmademan
Member
yeah. also telling that there's THIS much info on durango, and nothing of substance (service wise) for Orbis.
we know pretty much everything else, so if there was anything this big I think we would have heard of it by now.
I also suspect that if they do try to stick to their guns, only for sales to tank because no on wants the next Xbox, they'll give in and go on Playstation to. 3rd parties can try to ostracize, but if no one's biting they have to bend to consumers in the end.
Although, I would be intrigued if a lot of them were cross Xbox/PC games, and many got them on PC instead and basically pulled these publishers/developers (back?) to PC.
Which is a giant minefield because literally every DVR box on the market does what the xbox does (except play games) only better.
Unless they make a major partnership with Comcast, Verizon or both, there's no way Microsoft will convince people to shell out 400 dollars for a box that does the same thing their cablebox, which they do have to pay for every month, already does.
Whether they want to move away from gaming or not, Microsoft still needs it, and the xbox brand cannot survive without it.