H_Prestige
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Quick, you should tell Edge to change their story. Clearly they don't know about this patent and have received the wrong information.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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Quick, you should tell Edge to change their story. Clearly they don't know about this patent and have received the wrong information.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Except EDGE has already hinted in that article that it probably isn't happening.
Let's please stop the assumption that if one does it then the other has to.
Manmademan
Member
the go built in a higher profit margin into the unit to appease retailers
Sony patents a lot of things, they have patented some of the most hideous controllers ever conceived. I have no doubt that they have considered the idea but we would have definitely heard something by now if Sony was planning the same. Their conference is coming up soon, if Microsoft, Sony, or anyone else wanted us to know that Sony was pursuing the same path they would have leaked that info.
First of all patenting something doesn't mean it's used. Secondly, Edge has made it clear that second hand games are going to be a point of difference between the PS4 and the next Xbox.
toddhunter
Member
Pretty sure Sony would have patents for just about everything you could think of....except in game custom soundtracks of course.
They just get patents because if they don't somebody else will. It doesn't mean they ever intend to actually use them.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
We've covered this ad nauseum in this thread.
Especially since intelligent conversation makes the argument of Sony not engaging in this plan a major benefit to their plans.
It's hilarious how you assume people in this thread seem to not know this. We've had a thread on it already and it's been posted multiple times regarding these anti-used games rumors. The new rumors point at MS going this direction, we can only hope Sony does not go the same route, because if they do then it is the consumer that pays the price.
yea, i seriously doubt this is going to be a one-way thing. if we get any confirmation that one of them is going to do it, than i'm convinced that it's going to be both. hell, we might even get it from nintendo. they've given studios enough power with their online store apparently for them to go ahead and implement it themselves.
Glorified G
Member
It's also hilarious that people don't know that Sony issues hundreds patents that they'll never used.
I wouldn't doubt Microsoft having something like this on place. Their recent consumer products has had questionable decisions as if late (Surface RT pricing, Surface Pro availability, etc) so it will just be another one. If it's true that they're the only ones going to implement this then I'm sure they'll see it reflected in their sales.
TheRedSnifit
Member
They said nothing of the sort. The closest they get is an unfounded guess in a different article that Orbis may support second-hand games.
Fact of the matter is that banning second-hand games will be detrimental to Durango sales, and I'm pretty sure that the suits at MS know it. As such, we can hypothesize that MS will only go through with it if Sony does too.
Then why wouldn't we hear from sources that Sony is doing the same thing? This would have to be knowledge that is circulating throughout the industry, especially now that the Microsoft rumor is out of the bag. Either Sony is not doing it or they have not yet decided.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
There is absolutely no evidence that supports your last statement and, again, we've covered this ad nauseum.
Colonel Nasty
Member
No used sure sucks, but fuck this gamestop white knighting. Fuck preorders, and their bonuses, fuck their shitty trade values, shitty business practices with their pushy salesmen, fuck em. I wouldn't lose an ounce of sleep over their demise. Gamestop is as anti consumer as this rumor.
MS has some serious leak issues going on, this is not the same with Sony.
I think this is a given anyway.
Glorified G
Member
And why would Edge do a direct contrast comparison with the ps4 if they heard Sony would do the same thing? The bolded is the most likely scenario.
TheRedSnifit
Member
I think the second quote explains it well enough. Microsoft isn't about to sacrifice its fanbase by implementing something that everybody knows will hurt sales, unless they anticipate the competition doing the same.
Uno Venova
Banned
The only thing unique to gamestop here is pushier salesman than others, can't see why people hate that so much.
They've both had big leaks though, Orbis was out before durango was.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
My problem with your statement is that you have absolutely no idea what the executives at Microsoft are thinking right now and somehow you assume that you do. All evidence SO FAR points otherwise.
Until we have a recent, solid rumor stating Sony is doing this as well (which we just don't have), we can't think otherwise. With all the leaks recently about Orbis, not one of them mentions anti-used games.
I understand why you would say that, but that's still extremely short sighted.
I thought that too until that insider confirmation a page back. I honestly don't know how they'll spin this.
A week ago? 70%
Now? 20% perhaps lowered after Sony's Presser on the 20th. If Sony openly makes a pass about used games and DRM in the negative, I don't see how Microsoft could continue.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
So was 599 US Dollars though. Anything can happen, and this isn't completely out of the realm of reality.
Even if Sony isn't going the ban used games route and suspect MS is, they won't show their cards this early.
MS seems to be in a similar mindset that Sony was in 2005.
Uno Venova
Banned
Get too full of yourself who knows what happens.
Because, ya know, they've cornered the market.
E3's gonna be hilarious. I wonder how you top Cirque du Soleil?
Hot Coldman
Banned
The two-generation curse of arrogance continues!
Problem is MS seem a lot smarter than Sony did back in 2005. They're clearly getting greedy, but they're likely playing a game that's less immediately self-serving, and more just intended to win favour with publishers and developers.
-Pyromaniac-
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I expect them to throw out MASSIVE amounts of money on marketing and PR to keep their image intact regardless of any harsh realities behind the scenes. It'll be interesting if they can have that arrogant attitude and get away with it. It's up to Sony as well to cease the moment somehow.
Next gen is going to be crazy.
darkside31337
Tomodachi wa Mahou
I honestly don't think Microsoft cares what Sony (or Nintendo) is doing regarding this. Really. They probably think of Apple as their overall primary competition with this device and Valve as their primary gaming competition. And of course used media isn't an issue with either of those, in fact the consumers on both platforms generally don't give a shit.
They managed to get away with anti-consumer practices this generation. Why would they suddenly stop thinking they could get away with it next generation?
Also Sony isn't going to show their cards early on this no matter what they're doing.
Ken Masters
Banned
You expect gaming media to ask tough questions? Come on now
And that Nintendo was in 1995.
When companies get to their 3rd console it seems they feel they have the whole market, it happened too Nintendo, Sony, etc, and if these rumors come out too be true than it seems it might happen too Microsoft as well.
Uno Venova
Banned
...We know the patent is real. But we also know sony files a ton of patents and never use them.
lol. Patenting != using patent.
That doesn't contradict the post though, it's more that Sony does go for tons of patents so you can't take it as a guarantee they'll do it. Certainly we haven't been seeing rumors of being able to control PS4 with our minds anyway.
Hot Coldman
Banned
I'm just not sure MS will ever shoot themselves in the foot as badly as Sony did, and they don't have a major out-of-nowhere competitor to fuck them up like Nintendo did either. Microsoft will have to try real fucking hard to just throw away their grip on the market.
Oh man, you're totally right. This is nuts!
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
But the thing is that in order for the Xbox to sell it needs to sell to gamers first, unless this is targeted toward the media audience first, which would be really odd with the Xbox name IMO, but that seems likely from what we know.
Maybe. But Sony right now has online passes for first party games to discourage used games and encourage new game sales and Microsoft does not
and Sony has a significantly larger investment in first party software which would mean they would benefit more from eliminating used game sales vs Microsoft.
That's the thing. Sony's already got their "solution" to the used games problem. That's why I don't expect Sony to pursue something like this.
That's because they already have people pay for Xbox Live.
...what if Microsoft tries to offset this no-used-games nonsense by announcing that the next Xbox will feature free online multiplayer/Xbox Live Gold features? That news bomb and some marketing magic will surely convince the masses that the next Xbox is worth getting despite not being able to play used games.
They wouldn't let go of that revenue stream, not to mention the fact that the majority of the audience this is affecting will already have XBL memberships with months paid for.