BF4 leak does rumor both versions being always online.
I hope Sony and MS backs off.
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EDGE: The next Xbox: Always online, no second-hand games, 50GB Blu-ray and new kinect
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BF4 leak does rumor both versions being always online.
I hope Sony and MS backs off.
TheDrowningMan
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Xbox dead as a gaming device due to Microsoft's DRM, PlayStation dead due to publishers knuckling down on having Sony emulate MS and Nintendo emerging from a self-inflicted inferno doused by a lower price point and steady sales following the release of their 'old reliable' franchises, and become the de-facto home of indie downloads in the console space.
Lots more dead publishers, the usual "can't miss" multi format games survive but other departments are forced to focus on mobile gaming.
FUTURESHOCK!
I don't think that's something they'd tout or use to taint their reveal, moreof something you mention briefly in an interview later or in a smaller press event/release to minimize whatever fallout would occur afterwards.
Maybe in the coming days afterwards, but I don't see it happening on the 20th.
Manmademan
Member
1.) Kinect navigation will be better than anything on the market, period. gesture, voice, the whole 9 is going to be pretty damned advanced.
2.) the partnership with cable companies is already a rumored thing- the two skus rumor (one that plays discs, one that doesn't) has been around for a while.
3.) the xbox branding is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any other DVR box. don't underestimate the power that strong branding might have. Microsoft also already has deals locked down with MLB, ESPN, Netflix, etc- this isn't the case for everyone.
make no mistake, this will sell- the only question is how painful is this going to be for xbox fans.
Sony would be foolish to mention anything about used games in their reveal unless they want to spin the marketing machine that the used game policy does not apply for the PS4 even though there are online game codes that exist for the PS3.
...wait what?
TheDrowningMan
Member
And then:
You had to take it too far.
Hopefully this is something that's optional.
Alternatively, they're just scrapping campaign mode. Kinda need to be online to play games like that, so whatever.
Kotaku: Will PS4 get rid of used games sales and feature always online?
Kaz:
Kaz: We're looking for new gaming experiences with the Playstation 4. We'll reveal more info at a later time.
OS-level locking out is a bit different. They might actually release that info shortly after the reveal so it gets lost and muzzled amidst the bigger news of the reveal itself. Again, online game codes are nothing to make a big deal at a big event about either, and I don't think they were.
They'll probably spin it in a way that sounds good, like "you no longer need your discs to play your games anymore!" or something like that. Which really can sound pretty good, but that comes at the expense of used games, and on a platform that SHOULD be able to reasonably protect itself it's kind of bullshit to lose the freedom of trading, lending, whatever.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Online game codes =/= anti-used games
The PS2 has stopped being sold whereas the DS hasn't to my knowledge... They've always been rather close in sales in recent years, but the end of the PS2's lifecycle has allowed DS a chance to overtake it. Of course, I am going by Wikipedia's numbers, so Wikipedia might be wrong. Either way, the point is that PS2 was definitely a massive hit... I'd be willing to admit I'm wrong if I had better information.
Getting back on-topic... I find this comment interesting:
I believe that chasing this particular market is a bit of a pipe dream. If Apple really, truly cared for this market, they would've released a console that could run iOS games, not what we currently have with the Apple TV. We may actually have to wait to see how successful the Ouya is since it is a game console that runs Android. I mean, the Wii already had the wider, non-gaming crowd, but look at how the Wii U is doing right now.
Press: Will there be backwards compatibility for PS3 and older gens?
Response: We will reveal more information when available.
*later*
PR: The PS4 can play BC through items purchased in the PS store. Please sign-in to your account.
FFFFFFUUUUUUU
MS and Sony are both doing this travesty. There is no doubt. MS isn't dumb enough to alienate themselves from the market. If MS is doing that means Sony is too. They would have zero chance this gen if this is true. Only thing that could possibly dg them out of the hole would be considerably cheaper prices on the games.
It's only one step further.
The rise of per-service apps is basically an artifact of Adobe being terrible and the PS3 browser being complete shit. This gen was "Has ESPN" vs. "Doesn't have ESPN", next gen is "Has an ESPN button on the dashboard" vs. "has to go to espn3.com in the browser".
Uno Venova
Banned
Well damn, overwhelming evidence pointing to them actually doing this. I guess things can change at the last minute regarding this.
They're probably going through with this themselves then, since no rumors from EDGE or anyone else is pointing to Sony doing it.
They're probably going through with this themselves then, since no rumors from EDGE or anyone else is pointing to Sony doing it.
Dark_AnNiaLatOr
Member
If this anti used games thing is true, than it would be smart for Microsoft to reveal sooner and dispel the rumor, but I suspect more and more that it is indeed the cold hard truth.
MikeE21286
Member
It'll be fun to see regardless.
Good points to be made for people who think the opposite as well.
Edit: I think personally that if developers don't spray MS with a boatload of exclusives then this hurts them tremendously. People will go where the games are. Normally people would choose the ps4 in this case. If this does sway exclusives to MS then it's a big boon for them.
I'm seriously not convinced. The partnership with cable companies has been rumored, yes, but it's a rumor that neither comcast or Verizon has anything to gain from. Hell, in many ways, Verizon working with microsoft on a media only settop box for FIOS would be a conflict of interest. And as for the deals locked down with all those people...it's the same with all the other heavy hitters. Netflix is more interested in keeping an open APU for anyone to use, MLB has deals with Sony, ESPN is merely ESPN3 and wants to be as wide spread as possible and gains nothing from exclusivity, yatta yatta yatta, Microsoft doesn't have media exclusives. They have what everyone else already has at a much lower cost. That's not enough. For this thing to be a hit and I mean a real big score, bigger than the 3.7 billion the xbox division pulls in every year, they are going to have to make people go crazy over this thing. And if their response is as milquetoast as their Surface and Windows Phone 8 outings have been, they can't expect to break that much new ground.
XBOX needs to be a gaming platform, period.
As for Kinect....I'll believe it when I see it. Like Jeff Gerstmann said, "The first time Kinect works, it's like magic. Every time after when it doesn't work, it is the worst thing in the world and you hate it forever."
Manmademan
Member
not necessarily. License agreements have to be signed before these services are available.
Remember, netflix was exclusive to 360 initially, and didn't even roll out on all android devices at once- they had to be "authorized" devices before the app would play.
And then:
Dont play with my emotions.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I fully expect Gamestop to completely eliminate any Microsoft inventory if this comes to fruition.
Only in a perfect world. And Shenmue 3 with Panzer Dragoon Saga 2 as launch titles.
I'd give up even Halo.
CrunchinJelly
formerly cjelly
Microsoft just shot themselves in the foot?
Gamer @ Heart
Member
Will Kinect really be included? It has to be right? Especially if they make the siri stuff front and center. I just dont understand how they plan to sell this reasonably without taking enormous losses.
EDIT: Live was responsible for 2 billion in revenue last year. Taking over the living room and being the primary source of content is clearly the goal. To get the install base to make that much though means it cant sell at 400+ for very long.
Man, this year will be crazy.
EDIT: Live was responsible for 2 billion in revenue last year. Taking over the living room and being the primary source of content is clearly the goal. To get the install base to make that much though means it cant sell at 400+ for very long.
Man, this year will be crazy.
All they have to do is not put the next XBOX items on the show floor, keep them behind closed doors so that only those that ask for it can purchase it. Also if they do ask, then you try to sway them away from a purchase.
And then:
This is out of this thread but where was this "Dreamcast 2" at?
I don't expect them to go that far, but I expect Durango to pretty much get shitted on and every consumer to have it drilled into their skulls the superiority of PS4.
MikeE21286
Member
There is no way that GameStop will give a complete cold shoulder to MS.
I mean hell they sell used tablets/phones/iPods. If anything they will be a used resaler of the console and will also sell game codes, accessories, etc.
I mean hell they sell used tablets/phones/iPods. If anything they will be a used resaler of the console and will also sell game codes, accessories, etc.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Honestly, what would be the point of even carrying the brand that is trying to put you out of business? No way they let that stuff in any of their stores.
True, but what if they refuse to take orders from Microsoft and only resell Durangos?
It would be brash...but it's not implausible, especially if Gamestop is directly in the crosshairs by whatever this does.
They just have to not advertise them, and push for PS4. Also train employees to try and turn a Durango sale into a PS4 one.
Deus Ex Machina
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Sony was the first to patent this technology.....
http://www.gamespot.com/news/next-playstation-to-lock-out-used-games-report-6368582
There's absolutely no way that will ever happen. Collusion and anti-competition much?
MikeE21286
Member
There are so many ways that it could go its really hard to predict. I really think it comes down to how much Microsoft can spur consumer demand. If they out muscle Sony from a marketing and 3rd party perspective and their box is really innovative then retailers (and game makers) will have to respond.
Well actually, we been hearing how the next Xbox will block used games ever since Jan 2012.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=460260
Its hilarious how people in this thread seem to not know this. Sony already has next gen anti used games patents.
So if this is true MS must have some publisher deals going. They wouldn't do such a move on their own. Why would MS take such a risk if only the publishers would profit from it - besides releasing their games on the PS4? I hope MS has some common sense and something to back up this mess.
TheRedSnifit
Member
Don't get too happy, Sony fans: I suspect that if MS actually goes through with this, it's because they expect Sony to do the same.
Nothing points to Sony using the patent, the rumors also do not point to Sony implementing it. Microsoft however is.
I wonder if there's something more to this "no used games" thing. Like MS has negotiated cheaper MSRP for Durango games at release? Potentially on the premise that they won't lose revenues due to used game sales and won't experience quite the same level of retail pricing pressure to lower game prices weeks after launch.
Probably wouldn't be enough for me to change my mind on the console. But if Joe Six Pack sees the same third party title for $50 on Durange vs $60 on Orbis, that might be a compelling selling point.
Of course this also assumes that publishers can see the big picture and aren't necessarily money grubbing schmucks all the time. And that's looking more and more unlikely by the day.
Probably wouldn't be enough for me to change my mind on the console. But if Joe Six Pack sees the same third party title for $50 on Durange vs $60 on Orbis, that might be a compelling selling point.
Of course this also assumes that publishers can see the big picture and aren't necessarily money grubbing schmucks all the time. And that's looking more and more unlikely by the day.