Well it didn't
Emily Rogers: Why you should be excited about NXs software output
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Well it didn't
NinjaCoachZ
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She might've. But she noted just recently that in 2011 she was a lot greener, and since then she has become a lot more careful and confident in what she posts. Nowadays it's hard to think of anything in recent memory she's got wrong.
Wii U library is pretty good on its own, but I think looking at the games it doesn't have are what kills it.
Like it or not, not having GTA or Fifa or Fallout or Battlefront is MASSIVE to a number of buyers.
saltypickles
Neo Member
Won't believe it until I see it.
And first party games isn't the real problem. If the NX doesn't have Destiny, CoD, GTA, Elder Scrolls and the yearly updates of 2K/Madden/Fifa then it's going to flop.
And first party games isn't the real problem. If the NX doesn't have Destiny, CoD, GTA, Elder Scrolls and the yearly updates of 2K/Madden/Fifa then it's going to flop.
a shared library means one focus on marketing and promotion at stores. minimum order quantities and reorders would be easier across one platform instead of two (if you were say the developers of shovel knight, for instance). there's no guarantee that one platform would become obsolete while the other would succeed either. obviously one would outperform the other in the market, but as long as the form factors serve different functions, consumers would be given the choice to get what they want, and have access to the same library. a wider consumer base would only increase the opportunities for third-party games as well.
I hate to say it, but honestly, if you give me an Animal Crossing that looks like the Mario Kart 8 track, I am probably in. Hopelessly screwed.
I mean, me and the fam still play City folk and I have new leaf. We love this shit.
Retail space is still relevant at the moment too. So having one Nintendo aisle helps. Unification is the best path for them and consumers honestly.
I always say, look at the 3ds library, imagine a lot of those games in higher fidelity on the wii u? Hell several of them would have controlled better too. That would have made for one heck of a library and if someone was looking at a system and saw the combined output of 2013 3ds and 2014 wii U it would have been an attractive system. Maybe not market leading but at the least they would have had a breadth and depth of software hard to match.
I can't remember which thread I read it in, but I believe it said his ban was over on June 18th. That would be 2 months. 10k did take the right steps as far as verification and all that jazz, so I assume the mods decided to go easy on him, but, at the same time, felt it was necessary to make an example of him as well. I'm sure there are other details locked behind closed doors that we are not aware of. Unfortunate, but it looks like he'll be back in no time....if he chooses to do so.
dragonyeuw
Member
I'd like to see Nintendo partner with Disney to create some exclusive MCU/Star Wars content. These IPs are blazing hot right now and all we're getting so far is Lego Force Awakens( which I am excited for), Batttlefront( haven't played but read its generally underwhelming?) and a lot of mobile stuff.
More impressive than the Wii U's lineup over 3-4 years means its entire lineup. So here's a complete list of games Nintendo published for Wii U worldwide at retail:
2012
2013
2014
2015
2016
*Hyrule Warriors isn't published by Nintendo in Japan, Fatal Frame didn't get a retail release in North America, and Bayonetta / Star Fox Guard were pack in games, but I think they still belong on the list.
That's almost 40 games. Somehow I doubt NX's library can be more impressive than that in the span of a year.
EDIT: Added Metascores. Here's the breakdown:
MC 90-100: 4
MC 80-89: 11
MC 70-79: 9
MC 60-69: 5
MC 0-59: 4
Unreleased: 6
2012
- New Super Mario Bros. U [MC: 84]
- Nintendo Land [MC: 77]
2013
- LEGO City Undercover [MC: 80]
- Game & Wario [MC: 61]
- New Super Luigi U [MC: 77]
- Pikmin 3 [MC: 87]
- The Wonderful 101 [MC: 78]
- The Legend of Zelda: Wind Waker HD [MC: 90]
- Wii Party U [MC: 65]
- Wii Fit U [MC: 72]
- Mario & Sonic at the Sochi 2014 Olympic Winter Games [MC: 55]
- Super Mario 3D World [MC: 93]
2014
- Donkey Kong Country: Tropical Freeze [MC: 83]
- Mario Kart 8 [MC: 88]
- Wii Sports Club [MC: 68]
- Hyrule Warriors* [MC: 76]
- Bayonetta* [MC: 86]
- Bayonetta 2 [MC: 91]
- Super Smash Bros. for Wii U [MC: 92]
- Captain Toad: Treasure Tracker [MC: 81]
- NES Remix Pack [MC: 72]
2015
- Kirby & the Rainbow Curse [MC: 73]
- Mario Party 10 [MC: 66]
- Splatoon [MC: 81]
- Super Mario Maker [MC: 88]
- Yoshi's Woolly World [MC: 78]
- Fatal Frame: Maiden of Black Water* [MC: 67]
- Animal Crossing: amiibo Festival [MC: 46]
- Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash [MC: 58]
- Xenoblade Chronicles X [MC: 84]
- Devil's Third [MC: 43]
2016
- The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess HD [MC: 86]
- Pokkén Tournament [MC: 76]
- Star Fox Zero
- Star Fox Guard*
- Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE
- Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games
- Paper Mario: Color Splash
- The Legend of Zelda
*Hyrule Warriors isn't published by Nintendo in Japan, Fatal Frame didn't get a retail release in North America, and Bayonetta / Star Fox Guard were pack in games, but I think they still belong on the list.
That's almost 40 games. Somehow I doubt NX's library can be more impressive than that in the span of a year.
EDIT: Added Metascores. Here's the breakdown:
MC 90-100: 4
MC 80-89: 11
MC 70-79: 9
MC 60-69: 5
MC 0-59: 4
Unreleased: 6
I have a question...
With the comments about Nintendo's upcoming large line-up, lack of droughts and a great amount of first-party games for the NX, what does that say about these games and their development? Nintendo's always put in a lot of time with their games so how are they going to all of a sudden put in quality title after quality title if they couldn't do it before? I'm very curious about this. What's changed with Nintendo and their situations that's caused them to do this? I know Iwata has passed but there must be some major shake-ups in that company to cause these changes if it hasn't happened prior.
With the comments about Nintendo's upcoming large line-up, lack of droughts and a great amount of first-party games for the NX, what does that say about these games and their development? Nintendo's always put in a lot of time with their games so how are they going to all of a sudden put in quality title after quality title if they couldn't do it before? I'm very curious about this. What's changed with Nintendo and their situations that's caused them to do this? I know Iwata has passed but there must be some major shake-ups in that company to cause these changes if it hasn't happened prior.
OrbitalBeard
Member
Hopefully the NX launch isn't tainted with this game.
Best Mario Kart
Best Smash
Best Party Game (Nintendo Land, kinda ironic looking back)
Best Level Editor ever (Super Mario Maker)
One of the best 2D Marios with NSMBU (although I can understand if you're tired of this series)
Best Shooter this gen with Splatoon
Plus Captain Toad
Wii U was and still is my favourite console this gen. Yes, it's mostly safe (with the exception of Splatoon maybe) and I'm missing some Nintendo craziness but the quality is still there.
That part of the article is clearly her opinion. People shouldn't put much stock in that kind of statement as the quality of the Wii U library will differ person to person.
Reading through her post, this caught my attention. I do think there's some prejudice there against the gamepad in general, so I think this should be taken into account. She did say pretty clearly, however, she doesn't know if there will or won't be one, so I'll take that as a "nobody really knows".
About the streaming, dizzyzane_ on reddit, who I regard as a legit source given his consistency, claims the x86 build of the OS has streaming functionality built in, which he believes is for streaming to the ARM OS build. This explanation would seemingly match the SCD patents. So, while the gamepad streaming does seem iffy, I do still think we'll he some kind of streaming from home to portable, with some of the processing being done by a home console (the SCD, in this case) to reduce latency issues.
Three of those are ports and remakes of Wii and cube games = Twilight Princess HD, Wind Waker HD, Wii Sports Club.
NX is rumored to get Zelda U + Smash Bros U + Pikmin 4.
Some of the games you're listing (Devil's Third, Amiibo Festival, Sing Party) are garbage. Mario & Sonic 2014 has a Metacritic of 55.
I know, I'm just posting that there because people vastly underestimate the Wii U's library which is annoying.
(inb4 Spieler Eins)
My understanding is:
1) NX will have a bigger software library than the Wii U has had lifetime (first party software)
2) BUT, reality is, games can be delayed, or cancelled, etc.
So, she's simply stating the obvious, that people shouldn't get too hyped up, until we see first hand if Nintendo will deliver.
Everything but that is an opinion I do not agree with. Now should we fight it out or just bow down in front of the glory that is Captain Toad?
If the architecture of the console is the same as the Ps4 and Xbone then developers/publishers will flock to the console just to expand their own demographic with minimal effort. Nintendo will benefit, their fans will benefit and the creators will benefit. It's not rocket science it's just marketing.
This latest info (if it's even real) has me believe they think they were onto a winning formula with the Wii U but they just didn't get the games out fast enough. WRONG!!
Fahzgoolin
Banned
AGITΩ;201430250 said:I had to put my thoughts into photoshop form
You just won this thread.
Is it weird that say, 10 games over the life of a system is enough to satisfy me as long as I enjoy them all?
True. History will remember the Wii U library fondly, despite the console's shortcomings.
Cow Goes Moo
Member
It's gonna be real interesting when the big sellers will get delayed or be too far out and something like donkey kong is put out for a stop gap
Poimandres
Member
I thought it was crappy with the other consoles too. Same goes for the Xbox > 360.
I can't really complain about the Dreamcast because that was out of Sega's control really, but otherwise less than 4 years of real support is dire in my opinion.
SinCityAssassin
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Internal restructuring has combined various groups into single units in order to streamline development, one can assume they're also utilizing their development partners to create more games using their IP, something that was scarcely done before the Wii U period, but now is being done a lot more.
dragonyeuw
Member
I imagine part of their restructuring is based around( as often rumored) creating content that is playable on both their home and handheld consoles,in whatever form this takes with NX instead of supporting two different systems with unique libraries.
Dark Cloud
Member
I can't wait for the bombs to drop. I'm on the hype train! I want to see all these games.
No. Instead of focusing in the power level of NX, she is simply saying look forward to the software. Even if NX was PS4k x 10 in power, it means nothing if there is no software on the device.
Look I love the Wii U library, have too many of the games, but honestly I can see what she is saying.
It is a shame dromble isn't up anymore. She had a good article about how Nintendo had to go back to the NES days and just make a wide variety of games to bring in a wide audience. This is more likely the themes here opinion is being formed on.
The only way I could feel the same as her though is if I saw, 15 to 20 games in a 12 month span from Nintendo, which I guess is possible if you look at 3ds/Wii U output. That would run the gamut of downloadable games to full retail too I guess. It would also have to span across a wide variety, platformers, puzzle games, sports (tennis, golf, soccer, baseball), FPS, Third person action, RPG/Strategy, fighting games, Adventure games and Racing games. That's a tall order though and highly unlikely.
However the potential is there if a lot of games that were in Wii U development were moved.
AcademicSaucer
Member
I really hope Verendus tease of FFVI pans out , how hype would it be for this to be at E3?
A large portion of these games are not even worth discussing, and another chunk are mediocre at best.
Expand to who? Nintendo fans who haven't bought 3rd party games for well over a decade+? New gamers that will suddenly buy Nintendo systems when they had years to do so with Sony and MS systems? I don't see how Nintendo suddenly is able to tap into a vast new market of gamers interested in the types of games that can be played on Xbox. and Playstation devices already.
What that leaves, are either Playstation and/or Xbox gamers making the jumnp, or (old) Nintendo fans that abandoned their systems to get their 3rd party fix, or the ones that bought an Xbox or Playstation to supplement their Nintendo console for the same 3rd party fix.
Neither of those scenarios would lead to increased sales for 3rd parties, it would add to the costs because now they have to spent money to port to an additional system to cater to those same consumers, they might as well not bother, which they won't.
There's a few ways that Nintendo can pull this off.
- Make smaller games. Think along the lines of Triforce Heroes, Metroid Federation Force, Amiibo Festival, Captain Toad, Tomadachi Life, WarioWare, Kirby and the Rainbow Canvas
- Cross-develop games for both console and handheld. Like a shared library between hardware.
- Release ports of Wii U games on NX to fill in gaps.
- Collaborate with third parties to work on Nintendo games. Like Hyrule Warriors, F-Zero GX, Metroid Other M
- Publish games that nobody else wants to publish. Like Bayonetta 2.
- Make smaller games. Think along the lines of Triforce Heroes, Metroid Federation Force, Amiibo Festival, Captain Toad, Tomadachi Life, WarioWare, Kirby and the Rainbow Canvas
- Cross-develop games for both console and handheld. Like a shared library between hardware.
- Release ports of Wii U games on NX to fill in gaps.
- Collaborate with third parties to work on Nintendo games. Like Hyrule Warriors, F-Zero GX, Metroid Other M
- Publish games that nobody else wants to publish. Like Bayonetta 2.
James Scott
Banned
Weird what people read into things.
"Good specs, but not Exactly as 10k mentioned"=weaker than Xbox One
"Good 1st party support"=rushed first party titles;no 3rd parties
She hasn't said any of that, focusing on increasing the number of exclusives should be a good thing, no?
Right now Nintendo's output is roughly 9/12 exclusives (console/handheld) per year.
If they can bump that number up to 15 on each that would certainly feel better.
Nintendo puts out a lot games but if you don't own both systems you feel like you're not getting a full experience, hopefully they aim to fix this issue as stated in the article
"Good specs, but not Exactly as 10k mentioned"=weaker than Xbox One
"Good 1st party support"=rushed first party titles;no 3rd parties
She hasn't said any of that, focusing on increasing the number of exclusives should be a good thing, no?
Right now Nintendo's output is roughly 9/12 exclusives (console/handheld) per year.
If they can bump that number up to 15 on each that would certainly feel better.
Nintendo puts out a lot games but if you don't own both systems you feel like you're not getting a full experience, hopefully they aim to fix this issue as stated in the article
A Link to the Past
Banned
I wonder if they're going to have games in development with very small staffs like they did with Brain Age. Or perhaps use previous games as bases for new ones (Super Mario 3D World 2, Mario Kart 9, Super Pokken Tournament, Donkey Kong Country Returns 3, etc.).
The problem is Nintendo needs to get their services and 3rd party support on par with the competition before anyone will really give a shit. The Wii proved that people will eat up Nintendo software after you've already gotten the hardware in their home, but the N64/GCN/Wii U have all proved not many people really give enough fucks to pick up the hardware. I really enjoy my Wii U library, but the amount of games going in and out of my XBO/PS4 is mind boggling in comparison with indie support, better backwards compatibility offerings, and Games with Gold and PS+ games thrown in for good measure.
People read and interpret what they want the information to be - so it they want doom then it'll be doom. If NX is PS4 level, gets decent 3rd party support, and 15 quality Nintendo games a year, that sounds like a solid system.
I really hope Verendus tease of FFVI pans out , how hype would it be for this to be at E3?
i hope it's episodic too - one episode for each character.
SmartWaffles
Member
I for one, welcome our Toad overlord.
She's never said anything definite about the hardware, and if her sources are at NOA, which I suspect, I'm not so sure they'd have any knowledge of hardware specs. So, I'm a tad skeptical of any hardware speculation in this blog post, but who knows.
Also, just from reading hardware estimates here on GAF, it seems like Nintendo (or anyone else) could do a lot better than Xbox One for $350. If they did release a home console at that level, I would expect it to be a helluva lot cheaper than that.
GhostTrick
Banned
SinCityAssassin
Member
Nothing really beats complete, natural backwards compatibility.